| No subject 18:48 - Jan 28 with 10510 views | Yossarian |
Welsh Labour to give the vote to 16 year olds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42848685
As a Labour voter, I think this smacks of opportunism. I understand this generation are more apathetic than ever but are young people are more likely to vote for parties of the Left?
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| No subject on 18:56 - Jan 28 with 5451 views | Lohengrin |
If Llafur and Plaid are running with the notion that young = left I'd suggest they have a chat with kids in the east stand before getting too carried away. ..  |  |
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| No subject on 19:11 - Jan 28 with 5433 views | exiledclaseboy |
I’ve no doubt that this is a nakedly political move by Welsh Labour but extending the franchise to 16/17 year olds is a positive move as far as I’m concerned so reasons aside, I’m all for it. |  |
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| No subject on 19:18 - Jan 28 with 5417 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 19:11 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I’ve no doubt that this is a nakedly political move by Welsh Labour but extending the franchise to 16/17 year olds is a positive move as far as I’m concerned so reasons aside, I’m all for it. |
Look at it logically for a moment, at sixteen you're either still in secondary school or barely out of it. At that age you've had no opportunity to develop what is hopefully an informed opinion about the big wide world because you won't have inhabited it. | |
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| No subject on 19:20 - Jan 28 with 5411 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:18 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Look at it logically for a moment, at sixteen you're either still in secondary school or barely out of it. At that age you've had no opportunity to develop what is hopefully an informed opinion about the big wide world because you won't have inhabited it. |
I think you’re underestimating some kids of that age at least. And let’s be honest, how many “of age” voters actually form anything like an informed opinion themselves? [Post edited 28 Jan 2018 19:24]
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| No subject on 19:25 - Jan 28 with 5396 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 19:20 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I think you’re underestimating some kids of that age at least. And let’s be honest, how many “of age” voters actually form anything like an informed opinion themselves? [Post edited 28 Jan 2018 19:24]
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| No subject on 19:26 - Jan 28 with 5394 views | perchrockjack |
At 16 you think you know it all.
At 30 you know you know fook all
Kids again being used mercilessly |  |
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| No subject on 19:27 - Jan 28 with 5396 views | DJack |
| No subject on 19:18 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Look at it logically for a moment, at sixteen you're either still in secondary school or barely out of it. At that age you've had no opportunity to develop what is hopefully an informed opinion about the big wide world because you won't have inhabited it. |
Do you believe that the general population has an informed opinion, I wish! Most of the population are bored by (not interested in) politics and take whatever the easy option is for themselves. Most only observe facebook or twitter headline/trending comments. Hell, I don't bother too much with delving into the issues presented. |  |
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| No subject on 19:27 - Jan 28 with 5396 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:25 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Are you suggesting a franchise restricted to those who have reached some level of academic attainment? |
No. How the hell did you get to that from what I said? | |
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| No subject on 19:34 - Jan 28 with 5384 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 19:27 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
No. How the hell did you get to that from what I said? |
You asked how many voter were capable of excogitating informed opinion. It's hardly a leap. | |
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| No subject on 19:35 - Jan 28 with 5382 views | Kilkennyjack |
| No subject on 19:26 - Jan 28 by perchrockjack |
At 16 you think you know it all.
At 30 you know you know fook all
Kids again being used mercilessly |
I am all for it.
These young bright people are the future, and have a stake in political decisions made now that have long term implications.
Much better to take the vote off anyone over 70 as well.
These old people are the past, and have little stake in the long term implications of political decisions made now.
I mean look at the Brexit nonsence...., |  |
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| No subject on 19:37 - Jan 28 with 5373 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:34 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
You asked how many voter were capable of excogitating informed opinion. It's hardly a leap. |
I never mentioned capability. There are numerous reasons why voters may be uninformed, not least the quality of the ruling classes themselves.
And besides, academic achievement is no guarantee of anything. | |
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| No subject on 19:37 - Jan 28 with 5371 views | perchrockjack |
Does nobody see the wooing of kids at Glastonbury by Jez as rather sinister ?
Fook me ...kids at an open air gig .
In my day, any politician at such an event would be bottled off stage | |
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| No subject on 19:40 - Jan 28 with 5366 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:37 - Jan 28 by perchrockjack |
Does nobody see the wooing of kids at Glastonbury by Jez as rather sinister ?
Fook me ...kids at an open air gig .
In my day, any politician at such an event would be bottled off stage |
How many kids are at Glastonbury these days? It’s mostly a haven for middle aged hipsters trying to recall their lost youth. | |
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| No subject on 19:41 - Jan 28 with 5362 views | DJack |
| No subject on 19:37 - Jan 28 by perchrockjack |
Does nobody see the wooing of kids at Glastonbury by Jez as rather sinister ?
Fook me ...kids at an open air gig .
In my day, any politician at such an event would be bottled off stage |
"Hug a hoodie"... I'll leave that there for you to digest. | |
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| No subject on 19:43 - Jan 28 with 5353 views | jack247 |
16 and 17 year olds are far easier to manipulate with Corbyns buy now pay later bullshit.
They’d give double votes to everyone on benefits if they could. | | | |
| No subject on 19:43 - Jan 28 with 5348 views | perchrockjack |
Funnily enough ,there was a good Glastonbury greatest programme on this Friday and most were well under 25 .
So you recwrong.
Again | |
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| No subject on 19:45 - Jan 28 with 5343 views | Lohengrin |
| No subject on 19:37 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I never mentioned capability. There are numerous reasons why voters may be uninformed, not least the quality of the ruling classes themselves.
And besides, academic achievement is no guarantee of anything. |
Wouldn't capability be the one essential in the performance of any task? | |
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| No subject on 19:46 - Jan 28 with 5339 views | union_jack |
This age group is far more romantic in their beliefs. The SNP wanted to lower the voting age for Indyref1. I think if they had then they'd have won the referendum. I'm sure many of those would have regretted it in later years. |  |
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| No subject on 19:48 - Jan 28 with 5326 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:46 - Jan 28 by union_jack |
This age group is far more romantic in their beliefs. The SNP wanted to lower the voting age for Indyref1. I think if they had then they'd have won the referendum. I'm sure many of those would have regretted it in later years. |
They did lower the voting age for the referendum. 16/17 were allowed to vote. Scotland still says no to independence. | |
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| No subject on 19:52 - Jan 28 with 5300 views | londonlisa2001 |
| No subject on 19:45 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Wouldn't capability be the one essential in the performance of any task? |
Age isn't any sort of indicator to such. | | | |
| No subject on 19:52 - Jan 28 with 5309 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:45 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
Wouldn't capability be the one essential in the performance of any task? |
And the universal franchise is the cornerstone of any alleged democracy. Even one as skewed as our own. Once you start restricting it or imposing conditions for arbitrary reasons you’re on a slippery slope. | |
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| No subject on 19:54 - Jan 28 with 5293 views | londonlisa2001 |
| No subject on 19:52 - Jan 28 by exiledclaseboy |
And the universal franchise is the cornerstone of any alleged democracy. Even one as skewed as our own. Once you start restricting it or imposing conditions for arbitrary reasons you’re on a slippery slope. |
Oh I don't know.
We should have stopped anyone over the age of 65 voting in the EU referendum. | | | |
| No subject on 19:54 - Jan 28 with 5300 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:43 - Jan 28 by perchrockjack |
Funnily enough ,there was a good Glastonbury greatest programme on this Friday and most were well under 25 .
So you recwrong.
Again |
Nope. You are. Yet again.
“This statistic displays the average age at selected music festivals in the United Kingdom as of May 2013. Average age at the Glastonbury festival was 38.8 years. For the festivals considered here, the lowest average age was 35.8 years.”
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282831/average-age-at-selected-music-festiva | |
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| No subject on 19:55 - Jan 28 with 5294 views | exiledclaseboy |
| No subject on 19:54 - Jan 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Oh I don't know.
We should have stopped anyone over the age of 65 voting in the EU referendum. |
I can see the argument for that but I disagree for the reasons I’ve already stated. [Post edited 28 Jan 2018 19:56]
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| No subject on 19:56 - Jan 28 with 5292 views | Jackfath |
Most U16s will vote UKIP. |  |
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