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One more from Frankie before I go out on the booze.
Admittedly, this version of the Zeppelin classic goes on far too long - and some of his pals in the background look a bit dodgy - but if you like the rumble of V8 engines and your guitar dirty and raw, then turn it up to 11!
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 20:26 - Jun 24 with 1869 views
Again like everything you've posted in this thread it's a massive generalisation. There may be some that adhere to your description but the vast majority may simply be caring and compassionate people, or a couple Es have made them that way.
Also in no way does voicing your discontent with injustice make you pretend to be a victim of it. Just like the white folk on the million man march and the British citizens protesting Iraq, you can empathise with a cause without being directly affected.
The only thing you've shed light on is your own underlying cynicism.
There's a big difference between expressing support for a cause or expressing opposition for a war and expressing support for a leader of a political party.
The reason I am cynical about it is this. Just two weeks ago Corbyn got about a million votes less than Theresa May, the leader of the most right wing manifestation of the Conservative party I can recall (including Thatcher).
So less than 50% supported him. In England that was even less. In the affluent areas (the sorts of areas where more people are able to spend really quite large sums to go to a festival) a lot less than that.
And yet, to look at the crowd, in their overwhelming enthusiasm for him, you'd assume they were all Corbyn voters, it wasn't even half and half, let alone representative of the people who voted for him just a couple of weeks ago. That's why I'm so cynical. It's posturing.
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 21:13 - Jun 24 with 1831 views
There's a big difference between expressing support for a cause or expressing opposition for a war and expressing support for a leader of a political party.
The reason I am cynical about it is this. Just two weeks ago Corbyn got about a million votes less than Theresa May, the leader of the most right wing manifestation of the Conservative party I can recall (including Thatcher).
So less than 50% supported him. In England that was even less. In the affluent areas (the sorts of areas where more people are able to spend really quite large sums to go to a festival) a lot less than that.
And yet, to look at the crowd, in their overwhelming enthusiasm for him, you'd assume they were all Corbyn voters, it wasn't even half and half, let alone representative of the people who voted for him just a couple of weeks ago. That's why I'm so cynical. It's posturing.
Right again.
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 21:52 - Jun 24 with 1802 views
There's a big difference between expressing support for a cause or expressing opposition for a war and expressing support for a leader of a political party.
The reason I am cynical about it is this. Just two weeks ago Corbyn got about a million votes less than Theresa May, the leader of the most right wing manifestation of the Conservative party I can recall (including Thatcher).
So less than 50% supported him. In England that was even less. In the affluent areas (the sorts of areas where more people are able to spend really quite large sums to go to a festival) a lot less than that.
And yet, to look at the crowd, in their overwhelming enthusiasm for him, you'd assume they were all Corbyn voters, it wasn't even half and half, let alone representative of the people who voted for him just a couple of weeks ago. That's why I'm so cynical. It's posturing.
You don't have to support Corbyn to support his wishy-washy message of unity and togetherness at a festival especially when many in the crowd may have been intoxicated. Reading the transcript of his speech it's a hardly a communist rally call, just some fuzzy soundbites about ending injustice, welcoming refugees and art empowering people. Easy stuff to get behind when you're off your nut at a festival.
You've become so obsessed with this idea of affluence at Glastonbury, probably because of what you've overheard in Shepherds Bush or whichever overpriced part of West London that you inhabit but I'd imagine the crowd is of a balanced socioeconomic mix. The vast majority being people who just paid the £180 or whatever for entry.
Rather than bleat on about irrelevant voting patterns by affluence, consider the crowd at Glastonbury is likely to be younger (under 25) where Corbyn had unprecedented support.
F*cking hell Lis no matter how liberal and conceited you may be I'm sure even you'd be cheering his message after a few tins of thatchers and half an eccie.
More butt hurt at seeing the death of what used to be a brilliant festival to be honest Ebo.
Nothing to do with the Liberals or any other party.
Gosh Lisa
Dead?
It looks pretty lively to me!
But yes it changes and evolves I'm positive the lucky kids there this weekend are having the time of their lives .
I don't understand this tendency to knock Glastonbury by people who used to go "back in the day" .
It's changed and probably so have you and it will change again and the kids loving it tonight will in years to come say it's not as good as it was back in my day c'est la vie.
It's not massively commercialised contributes to some really good causes and is widely acknowledged as the best festival on the planet what's not to like?
Damn right - agree with these sentiments entirely.
Am currently watching it on Beeb 2 - don't think I can stand much more of the absurdity of it. Kaiser Chiefs singing about riots. Fug me, they're not from some grim estate in Leeds (as some believe) but from a lovely, quiet, affluent village outside the city (Menston).
Glastonbury has been a joke for a long time. The generality of people who go here probably come from families who go on skiing trips to the Italian Alps.
Nowt wrong with skiing or being middle class, but the kind of spoilt brats who can afford to go here need to drop all pretence of being trendy/cool/caring etc. They live on another fu**in privileged planet from those who live on sink estates up & down the UK, those who are priced out of such self-indulgent, self-regarding smug-fests like this.
Tell you summin I wish a few bell ends on here could go to Glastonbury in the 80s. You have no idea what this festival was like before. Druuuuuuuuuuuuugs.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
I worked in security in Glastonbury in 92. We didn't take any prisoners with people who tried to get in for fvck all. But if they had a fiver we'd help em over the fence!
Radiohead on BBC 2 on 23:42 - Jun 24 by morningstar
I worked in security in Glastonbury in 92. We didn't take any prisoners with people who tried to get in for fvck all. But if they had a fiver we'd help em over the fence!
The first time I ever went there in 81 Stephen Hawking could have got over the fence.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
Tell you summin I wish a few bell ends on here could go to Glastonbury in the 80s. You have no idea what this festival was like before. Druuuuuuuuuuuuugs.
But yes it changes and evolves I'm positive the lucky kids there this weekend are having the time of their lives .
I don't understand this tendency to knock Glastonbury by people who used to go "back in the day" .
It's changed and probably so have you and it will change again and the kids loving it tonight will in years to come say it's not as good as it was back in my day c'est la vie.
It's not massively commercialised contributes to some really good causes and is widely acknowledged as the best festival on the planet what's not to like?
I'm gutted we couldn't get tickets this year...
Spot on. I think Lisa think's it's full of West London rich types because she knows West London rich types who go.
I know a lot of South West Wales working class types. The people I used to go with and jumped over the wall with. And they still go. Lot's of them.
Glastonbury has obviously changed because it had to. I went to the last "old" Glastonbury in 2000 and it was brilliant but also f*cking scary at times, and I was with about 50 rough but well meaning idiots myself. I saw and heard about some very unpleasant incidents of violence. Theft from tents was rife, mainly from gangs of scumbags from Manchester, Liverpool and unfortunately, Wales. A previous year saw three people shot when London drug dealers had a little shoot out. Not far from my tent.
My last time was the first "cleaned up" one in 2002. It had lost a bit of it's madness, lost most of the nastiness and was still brilliant. I haven't been since.
Quite a few of my mates still get in for free mind. They just go up Saturday morning.
I watch it all on the telly now because I'm an old boring c*nt, but it's great to see youngsters enjoying themselves like I did. That's one of the reasons I don't go. They're all so young.
And if you think Glastonbury is commercial you've never been to V or Phoenix or Reading.
Glastonbury is still f*cking brilliant. Even though I don't go anymore.
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 01:27 - Jun 25 with 1664 views
Spot on. I think Lisa think's it's full of West London rich types because she knows West London rich types who go.
I know a lot of South West Wales working class types. The people I used to go with and jumped over the wall with. And they still go. Lot's of them.
Glastonbury has obviously changed because it had to. I went to the last "old" Glastonbury in 2000 and it was brilliant but also f*cking scary at times, and I was with about 50 rough but well meaning idiots myself. I saw and heard about some very unpleasant incidents of violence. Theft from tents was rife, mainly from gangs of scumbags from Manchester, Liverpool and unfortunately, Wales. A previous year saw three people shot when London drug dealers had a little shoot out. Not far from my tent.
My last time was the first "cleaned up" one in 2002. It had lost a bit of it's madness, lost most of the nastiness and was still brilliant. I haven't been since.
Quite a few of my mates still get in for free mind. They just go up Saturday morning.
I watch it all on the telly now because I'm an old boring c*nt, but it's great to see youngsters enjoying themselves like I did. That's one of the reasons I don't go. They're all so young.
And if you think Glastonbury is commercial you've never been to V or Phoenix or Reading.
Glastonbury is still f*cking brilliant. Even though I don't go anymore.
Exactly.
In order for the event to go on Eavis had to make changes or lose the festival forever. The dangerous element was around the time the whole dance culture thing started up, E's flying around like sweets and gangs from Liverpool ripping tents. Before that there was a lot of travellers at the festival who were mostly peaceful but refused to leave the site afterwards.
Yes it's lost a little of its madness but as Humpty says, if you want to see a truly vomit inducing festival then look no further than V festival. No character or soul or history.
Lisa just go to Glastonbury and you will come away with a different point of view, yes it is different from what you experienced in the past, but I promise you that you will 100% enjoy yourself.
Radiohead on BBC 2 on 08:07 - Jun 24 by swanjackal
Ok Computer was the last one I bought, it was okay, but the change was happening there, some good songs on there but some not so.
One good thing Thom Yorke did for me was put me onto Drugstore after collaborating on "El President".
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Thank you for putting me on to this Swanjackal I'm trying to work out how this band somehow passed me by. I'd heard of them but not listened until yesterday. I've had her/their stuff on Spotify all day and fortunately not too big a back catalogue to catch up on too. I love her voice and she's written absolutely loads of well crafted songs, really nice stuff.
Proud to have been one of the 231
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 17:46 - Jun 25 with 1564 views
Radiohead on BBC 2 on 23:42 - Jun 24 by morningstar
I worked in security in Glastonbury in 92. We didn't take any prisoners with people who tried to get in for fvck all. But if they had a fiver we'd help em over the fence!
My mother's other half used to do it about the same time. One year they came back with a vanload, literally floor to ceiling, full of confiscated beer. Good days.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 18:59 - Jun 25 with 1517 views
In order for the event to go on Eavis had to make changes or lose the festival forever. The dangerous element was around the time the whole dance culture thing started up, E's flying around like sweets and gangs from Liverpool ripping tents. Before that there was a lot of travellers at the festival who were mostly peaceful but refused to leave the site afterwards.
Yes it's lost a little of its madness but as Humpty says, if you want to see a truly vomit inducing festival then look no further than V festival. No character or soul or history.
Lisa just go to Glastonbury and you will come away with a different point of view, yes it is different from what you experienced in the past, but I promise you that you will 100% enjoy yourself.
Completely agree with these posts.
I first went in the late 90's loads of Jamaican yardies from Bristol around me. Seriously scary f**kers. I remember hearing about the shooting.
It's different now, but still predominantly working class. When you consider what you get for the ticket price it's cheap as chips compared to the other mainstream festivals. There are more glampers spending thousands on a teepee, but you don't notice them at 5 in the morning at the stone circle. Probably because they went to bed once the pyramid stage had finished.
I haven't been for a couple of years, but I wouldn't have thought it has changed. Hoping to go in two years as the little one will be old enough.
I genuinely think Michael Eavis is one of the most amazing people in the country.
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Radiohead on BBC 2 on 19:25 - Jun 25 with 1497 views
I first went in the late 90's loads of Jamaican yardies from Bristol around me. Seriously scary f**kers. I remember hearing about the shooting.
It's different now, but still predominantly working class. When you consider what you get for the ticket price it's cheap as chips compared to the other mainstream festivals. There are more glampers spending thousands on a teepee, but you don't notice them at 5 in the morning at the stone circle. Probably because they went to bed once the pyramid stage had finished.
I haven't been for a couple of years, but I wouldn't have thought it has changed. Hoping to go in two years as the little one will be old enough.
I genuinely think Michael Eavis is one of the most amazing people in the country.
A lot of people who slag it have never been themselves, they don't understand what it is all about either. It's more than about music. It's so big it would take you a month to see everything.
Spot on. I think Lisa think's it's full of West London rich types because she knows West London rich types who go.
I know a lot of South West Wales working class types. The people I used to go with and jumped over the wall with. And they still go. Lot's of them.
Glastonbury has obviously changed because it had to. I went to the last "old" Glastonbury in 2000 and it was brilliant but also f*cking scary at times, and I was with about 50 rough but well meaning idiots myself. I saw and heard about some very unpleasant incidents of violence. Theft from tents was rife, mainly from gangs of scumbags from Manchester, Liverpool and unfortunately, Wales. A previous year saw three people shot when London drug dealers had a little shoot out. Not far from my tent.
My last time was the first "cleaned up" one in 2002. It had lost a bit of it's madness, lost most of the nastiness and was still brilliant. I haven't been since.
Quite a few of my mates still get in for free mind. They just go up Saturday morning.
I watch it all on the telly now because I'm an old boring c*nt, but it's great to see youngsters enjoying themselves like I did. That's one of the reasons I don't go. They're all so young.
And if you think Glastonbury is commercial you've never been to V or Phoenix or Reading.
Glastonbury is still f*cking brilliant. Even though I don't go anymore.
It's not that they're rich Humpty. It's that they're pretending to be something they're not.
I've never been to 'V' or Phoenix and it's been years since I've been to Reading, but again that's not the point. They are not pretending to be anything other than a commercial festival. Glastonbury is.
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