| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up 19:39 - Jun 9 with 6061 views | Pokerface |
Freestyle.
Let your feelings out
( the poll disappeared due to my fat fingers) [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 21:46]
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 18:50 - Jun 11 with 723 views | ploppy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:57 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy |
I'm not sure where you get the idea that the manifestos will go out of the window. The Queen's Speech will include as many of the Tories' manifesto commitments they think they'll be able to get away with now that they no longer have a majority. Labour plans to table an amendment which will include many of its own commitments.
Anyway, I digress. Pages 23-28 at the link.
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour%20Manifesto%202017. |
Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tags on my manifestos comment.
I read that section of the manifesto, but there's so much fluff in there it's hard to determine Labour's real position. But this does (maybe) - John McD's words this morning.
"But we’ve been clear all the way along, ours is a jobs-first Brexit, everything we can do to protect our economy. That must mean tariff-free access to the single market."
So, "tariff-free access to the single market" is a factor (maybe the only one) in his "jobs-first Brexit". That's the kind of "translation" I was looking for.
Whether, that's possible when we're not in the SM (don't forget Labour would take us out, as would the Tories) is the question. Regardless, I doubt whether it's different to the Tories' position.
For balance: I didn't read the equivalent section in the Tory manifesto. | | | |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 18:53 - Jun 11 with 716 views | exiledclaseboy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 18:50 - Jun 11 by ploppy |
Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tags on my manifestos comment.
I read that section of the manifesto, but there's so much fluff in there it's hard to determine Labour's real position. But this does (maybe) - John McD's words this morning.
"But we’ve been clear all the way along, ours is a jobs-first Brexit, everything we can do to protect our economy. That must mean tariff-free access to the single market."
So, "tariff-free access to the single market" is a factor (maybe the only one) in his "jobs-first Brexit". That's the kind of "translation" I was looking for.
Whether, that's possible when we're not in the SM (don't forget Labour would take us out, as would the Tories) is the question. Regardless, I doubt whether it's different to the Tories' position.
For balance: I didn't read the equivalent section in the Tory manifesto. |
I wouldn't bother mate, it's all the stuff you've heard before. No deal better than a bad deal, Brexit means Brexit yadayadayada. For what it's worth my view is that both parties' position on Brexit is entirely wrong headed. I'm a supporter of the LibDem position as stated in their manifesto. Fully accept that's a minority view. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 20:11 - Jun 11 with 691 views | ploppy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 18:53 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy |
I wouldn't bother mate, it's all the stuff you've heard before. No deal better than a bad deal, Brexit means Brexit yadayadayada. For what it's worth my view is that both parties' position on Brexit is entirely wrong headed. I'm a supporter of the LibDem position as stated in their manifesto. Fully accept that's a minority view. |
Fair enough.
Regarding Brexit negotiations - now, I'm not a negotiator by trade but I have some sympathy for the Tories' position here. If it were me going to negotiate with the EU, I wouldn't give them any inkling of what I was aiming for. I would probably start from the most extreme position and be prepared to compromise. Surely, it's like buying a leather handbag in a Turkish market. To that end, it makes no sense to declare to the EU, and thereby the British electorate, what the ultimate goal is. I guess people who "want to know" wouldn't be happy with that. | | | |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 20:47 - Jun 11 with 669 views | sherpajacob |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 20:11 - Jun 11 by ploppy |
Fair enough.
Regarding Brexit negotiations - now, I'm not a negotiator by trade but I have some sympathy for the Tories' position here. If it were me going to negotiate with the EU, I wouldn't give them any inkling of what I was aiming for. I would probably start from the most extreme position and be prepared to compromise. Surely, it's like buying a leather handbag in a Turkish market. To that end, it makes no sense to declare to the EU, and thereby the British electorate, what the ultimate goal is. I guess people who "want to know" wouldn't be happy with that. |
You are correct, you are not a professional negotiator.
If you want to fleece somebody on the basis that you'll never see them again, your approach might work.
If you want to build a professional long term business relationship that benefits all involved, then all parties are open and honest about their objectives from the start and work towards achieving those objectives.
Any agreement built on deceit and duplicity will not last. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 21:56 - Jun 11 with 642 views | Highjack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 20:47 - Jun 11 by sherpajacob |
You are correct, you are not a professional negotiator.
If you want to fleece somebody on the basis that you'll never see them again, your approach might work.
If you want to build a professional long term business relationship that benefits all involved, then all parties are open and honest about their objectives from the start and work towards achieving those objectives.
Any agreement built on deceit and duplicity will not last. |
Your last sentence highlights why we are leaving in the first place. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 22:06 - Jun 11 with 627 views | jack2jack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 22:21 - Jun 10 by Jack_Meoff |
Disagree. That's what 'they' want you to think. Individually we're powerful, collectively we're unstoppable. You watched The Wizard of Oz? The bit when the curtain is pulled back, revealing the 'wizard' perpetuating the illusion? A more fitting metaphor for our society I'm yet to come across. |
Don't think you got my drift JM, what I meant was,whatever the vote is/was we just have to get on with it. I think you know what I think of our political system/governments.I with you mate,as I've said before,it's all smoke and mirrors,ie bolloxs.  |  | | |
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