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Reply | Kelman?
at 19:04 31 Jan 2025
How old is Kelman v how old is Kohli? Yet the latter arguably more accomplished already. Maybe he has transformed at Orient but was completely ineffective for us. Nourry clear players have to at least be knocking on the first team door a lot earlier than Kelman has. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 19:00 31 Jan 2025
If so that just says to me that the club has messed up again as you describe with BOS and Manning.
It was clear as day from that interview that he WOULD have renewed if offered a reasonable contract then. The fact that he hasn’t signed in the interval suggests to me that the club was slow to get him tied down.
Unless Sheffield Utd have been tapping him up on the QT - possible I guess as in last year of contract - his head has only presumably been turned very recently. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 12:46 31 Jan 2025
Well as I intimated in my earlier post, the evidence would seem to point to the latter.
Someone posted on here an excellent interview with Jimmy from an Irish newspaper which (from memory) said no new contract had been agreed (or poss even discussed) but that Jimmy was incredibly happy, saw it as his club, no intention to leave etc.
The narrative here seems to be that if someone offers 2m we have to accept.
I get we must avoid a Bright/ Manning scenario at all costs.
But if we could get him to re-sign, and he continues to play as he does, who is to say he wouldn't be worth more than £2m in the summer? |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:22 31 Jan 2025
So sad that even if we did get 2m it would be less than we reportedly paid for Madsen.
Unless we are already over our 3 yr FFP limit arguably we only need to sell if he refuses to renew (which isn’t clear to me - indeed he has gone above and beyond to say how much he loves it here).
The argument we would be better with a specialist right back if only we could replace his aerial strength is a bit odd: what specialist right back would likely have that power in the air? To me that extra aerial strength in both boxes combined with his spirit is a massive part of our revival and you underestimate the importance of that at your peril. |
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Reply | New Year transfer window rumours
at 11:56 25 Jan 2025
So many unrealistic demands, particularly in that BBC article.
A left back would be nice but am sure we can muddle thru without.
Sadly we blew our budget on Madsen and Cellar and very much doubt there is money.
As such any incoming for the first team would most likely be a loan, and limiting first team opportunities for the likes of Kolli, Alfie and Morgan would be self-harming with very little likely upside. |
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Reply | If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB?
at 23:17 22 Jan 2025
Cook first name on team sheet so question is who accompanies him.
Would be JCS as fantastic ability but just too injury prone.
No point being injured for 10 games, coming back for three but not properly match fit then getting injured again. In the Championship just being available for 40 odd games and really wanting it like Jimmy Dunne makes you massively more valuable than some highly technical, accomplished player who is sadly rarely available.
Not sure JCS is sellable due to his injuries but purely on his availability if we could move him on in the summer it might be worth thinking about. Love watching him at his best, but how often do we see that? |
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Reply | Taraabt
at 22:25 22 Jan 2025
I actually struggled with my fellow Rs for a little while after that - it was such a deliberately perverse and frankly wrong decision.
Any other goalkeeper from the Champ that season and Adel -
win the league.
Worlds best goalkeeper and no Adel - we mid table.
Plus the sheer fireworks, skill entertainment value of Adel.
Most skillful QPR player since Tony Currie |
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Reply | Kolli signs new deal!
at 18:01 17 Jan 2025
Thank you for the insights.
Nourry said in his recent talk that moving to Academy 1 status would not stop bigger clubs stealing our players, so I was left wondering at the value of it. If clubs would have to pay more compensation, I understand it more. Nourry said it simply comes down to a cost benefit analysis, and that also makes more sense now - ie how much does it cost extra to get this status v how much more in compensation do we think we would receive assuming bigger clubs come and steal x number of our young players?
BTW, if the system is as you describe it seems very unfair (guess I shouldn't be surprised): I would argue the smaller clubs - mainly not academy 1 - are surely the ones in more need of compensation? |
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Reply | Marti's pre-Plymouth talk
at 17:44 17 Jan 2025
You seem to have missed Gaza's post, my namesake, but its worth reading.
I was mildly frustrated with all the changes myself - given the pre-match talk - but when you break it down as Gaza has done, which specific changes do you object to? I give you Madsen, btw, but apart from that? Given potential fitness issues around Dunne and Smyth in particular, how would you justify not resting them (given what the heavy schedule appears to have done to Cook)? Finally, would you prefer Marti to not even consider all the data that, fairly scientifically now, sets out the fitness and medical wellbeing of individual players? After all, you feel able to condemn Marti's decisions fairly robustly without, I assume, having access to all the information that the head coach surely considers before naming his team |
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Reply | Clive meeting with Nourry
at 10:53 16 Jan 2025
Question I would like answered would be what lessons they learned from last summer's recruitment. Sensible to be more data driven than before, but has it now gone too far towards data? How, moving forwards, when assessing a player from certain mainland European or South American leagues, will they look at those statistics given the often greater physicality and fixture demands of the Championship? Have they factored that in enough to date, does he think? |
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Reply | Madsen Mins
at 12:47 14 Jan 2025
Bit harsh.
I’ve revised down the figures to the lowest conceivable amount - however you slice and dice it, on even the most optimistic forecast (so not relying on any leaks) the Madsen transfer was a cluster-f*ck financially as well as in a footballing sense |
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Reply | Madsen Mins
at 21:13 13 Jan 2025
Apologies didn’t mean to down vote |
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Reply | Varane and Kolli Brilliant Goals
at 21:08 13 Jan 2025
Thank you. Impressive.
So how many minutes does he go per goal (league and cup combined)?
Must be impressively low.
If you know that is - appreciate not your job to answer! |
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Reply | Madsen Mins
at 20:56 13 Jan 2025
Well we had players on 6-7k a week under Paladini - he showed me a print out of the wages! So allowing for inflation I don’t think 20k a week for a player who cost 2m is outrageous.
But I’ll concede the point.
Let’s say he is on 10,000 a week.
That’s over 520,000 a year.
Let’s lower it even further and say 500k a year.
Over 5 years that is 2.5m in wages.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he cost less than 2m.
So total outlay at the very least 4.5m.
Hence a completely different level of investment to a Bennie, Morgan or Santos.
And that’s not even counting Celar in last summer’s spend.
So I think my point stands - we will need to get a much chunkier fee than we have managed on any sale since Eze simply to come out of last summer’s window in any kind of financial credit.
As for things not leaking, I think respectfully it’s a little naive to think that doesn’t happen. Ask any journalist. [Post edited 13 Jan 21:01]
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Reply | EDB Signs new contract
at 17:06 13 Jan 2025
I find the EDB situation a mystery. Am by nature highly sceptical of conspiracy theories but I can't help wondering if something has happened behind the scenes. To be given a new contract in the summer and seemingly set to have a breakthrough season but then so far down the pecking order that even if 5 or 6 other midfielders were shot, Marti would still be reluctant to play him. |
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Reply | Madsen Mins
at 16:55 13 Jan 2025
Well Morgan would have to sell for a seriously big fee.
Lets say the Madsen fee is 2m (a very conservative estimate).
Lets say he is on 20k a week (not ridiculous seeing as he cost 2m plus).
That is £1m per year salary.
So £5m in wages over 5 years.
And with the 2m transfer fee that's 7m.
Will we get 7m for Morgan? And that's just to break even, not leaving us any money to re-invest.
So no, I just don't think you can count all transfers as being of equal significance, you have to judge according to outlay. Absolutely no problems with taking punts on the likes of Santos (possibly a fail but very early to tell) and Morgan (almost certainly a big win). But if you spend Madsen money on a player a club like us just can't afford to get it SO badly wrong. He is SO lacking in what is required of a Championship footballer I can only conclude that a) he wasn't scouted at all and we simply signed him on his stats, or b) he was watched when he was playing such low-grade, weak as piss opposition that no lessons should have been taken from the match, and c) the edict that we would from now on assess a player's character as well as playing performance must have been waived for this signing. [Post edited 13 Jan 16:58]
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Reply | How do you feel about Marti post-Leicester?
at 16:40 13 Jan 2025
Am not voting because its a bit like taking time to seriously think if you love your wife a bit less because she made herself a cup of tea but didn't offer you one. Its irritating, but its so not the reason you are either going to stay married or file for divorce. It would be a bit menopausal to change your view of a manager after one cup game (and I speak as one who was quite frustrated for all the reasons highlighted by many posters and by Clive in his report). |
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Reply | Madsen Mins
at 16:36 13 Jan 2025
Regardless of the precise figure I don't think anyone disputes that he is one of our two most expensive signings from the last window, widely reported to be around £3m. This club is not the only source of information, there is the agent and the selling club along with numerous other officials, friends, contacts etc who can all leak information.
The bottom line is we have paid, on a 5-year contract, what is for us a huge amount of money on one of the most frustratingly disappointing players many of us can remember pulling on the shirt. As such this is a completely different category of failed signing than, for example, Santos might prove to be.
I called Madsen the "friendly ghost" but I think Clive's "empty shirt" is better. The shirt is empty, and so too are our pockets. |
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