| Warren Farm 14:00 - Sep 30 with 34164 views | hoopstilidie |
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| Warren Farm - be angry at Ealing Council not residents of Ealing on 21:37 - Feb 4 with 3837 views | QPR_Jim |
| Warren Farm - be angry at Ealing Council not residents of Ealing on 21:22 - Feb 4 by AgedR |
This is nothing more than class snobbery.
Middle class individuals bitter that their borough is not quite London, rallying against that terrible working class sport and connected blaggards.
Warren Farm is not a community asset, it's a shit hole. Pure and simple.
I played football there for 20 years and it was always a shit hole.
Let's see how the Costa Coffee set reacts if Ealing hold a referendum to increase Council tax to pay to take the site out of shit holedom.
Contemptuous the lot of you! [Post edited 4 Feb 2014 21:43]
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That's pretty much the long and short of it. I do like this guys use of the word illegal though trying to make out the council have been underhand in some way. As far as I can tell the council had it approved by the mayors office and that's what they're supposed to do when proposing to fence of MOL, so it's all above board. Feel free to disagree with the mayors decision but if you disagree it doesn't make it illegal, unless I'm missing something.
The thing that really annoys me about this though is that all the SWF bunch dismiss the facilities provided to the public as "a few changing rooms" refusing to acknowledge that the all weather facilities and properly maintained pitches will be much more beneficial to future generations. Also the fact that they keep saying we're getting it for free whilst not realising the cost of building and maintaining these facilities. " |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 22:47 - Feb 4 with 3768 views | derbyhoop |
The last sentence sums up why Ealing council are so keen to hand the responsibility to someone else.
The main gripe of the protestors seems to be that MOL is being enclosed meaning a public recreational facility is no longer available. They also claim that the council is undervaluing the land. I'd suggest they are arguing about minor details which, with constructive dialogue, should be solvable. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 23:24 - Feb 4 with 3727 views | PunteR |
I don't understand why SWF are posting on a QPR message board if they're saying their issue has nothing to do with QPR but with Ealing council . They then have the audacity to say there's misplaced anger here after stirring it up.
The whole Warren farm project sounds great to me. A real positive step forward for QPR,its Fans, and the next generation of footballers,and a good opportunity for Ealing to make good use of its land. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 04:15 - Feb 5 with 3666 views | DylanP |
| Warren Farm - be angry at Ealing Council not residents of Ealing on 18:00 - Feb 2 by Samclarke |
For the record I live in Hanwell so you know transparently where I am coming from. I love sport and think it is positive in many ways. However I am actually quite shocked at the misinformation and misplaced anger on here regarding the battle to keep Warren Farm. Clearly it is based on a lack of understanding about what is going on and why residents of Ealing are having to fight their Council legally. So I would like to offer some clear facts on the matter.
Firstly I would say that I empathise with the frustrations of QPR fans , and I can understand that many here think the Save Warren Farm Group and supporting residents of Ealing are just trying to ruin things for them. But that is simply not the case. We have nothing against QPR, just as you "rationally" should have nothing against us. This is about a potentially illegal deal that Ealing Council has dragged QPR into, and anyone that is angry should direct their anger at Ealing Council. We have all been dragged into this ridiculous mess by them.
The facts are, that many residents of Ealing are not able to sit by and let Ealing council go about their business in any way other than, legally and democratically and if they don't, we have no choice but to make sure they do. If they wont listen to us and the rational argument that they are legally and morally obliged to, then we are left with no choice but to legally insist they do. Hence the need for a judicial review to legally ensure they are. Please believe none of us would waste our time if we didn't believe we had a legal case to answer, we all have lives to live and this is as frustrating for us as it is for you.
Last time I checked Ealing is not a dictatorship, and Ealing Council has no right to "give away" public assets because they can't be bothered to maintain and manage them. The residents of Ealing want to keep their largest local community sports ground in its entirety, as 100% community use, because we need it; and I am sorry if it upsets people but we do have a right to it, because it belongs to Ealing. It is massively used by children and adult sporting groups and what we need is local investment to improve it and keep it for the ever growing sporting population of Ealing now and for the next 200 years.
As an example The Tamil School Sports Association's Summer Tournament of cricket, football and volleyball, and the APNA Annual Primary Schools Football Tournament held on Warren Farm 2013. The later tournament was won by St John's Primary School, a school which has no green space on its site in West Ealing. Organisers were told by Council officers that they would not be able to hold their tournaments at Warren Farm once a new lease was in place.
According to 2010/2011 figures Warren Farm generated 58,000 pounds in pitch fees per annum, therefore costing Ealing Council a minimul 37k to run the biggest recreation ground in Ealing. IF Ealing invested in the site and improved the facilities properly they could make a profit that would more than more than allow Warren Farm to wash its own face into profit. But even with the sub standard changing rooms 58k per annum shows the level of use of Warren Farm to date.
Giving it away for 200 years to anyone in exchange for nice new changing rooms and a bit of a sports hall is just madness. Ealing, drunk on its own power, seem blinded to their duty to protect and leverage our assets. If the directors of QPR gave away your best player for nothing you lot would be up in arms and rightly so.
I can understand that it must be massively frustrating to QPR fans, led astray by Ealing Council to believe they have a right to Warren Farm free for 200 years, but at least balance that with the understanding that we are also not happy to be reduced to being grateful for limited and partial access, fenced off open land, locked out and charged for the pleasure of entering something that has belonged to all residents of Ealing for 50 years. Its a really bad deal and Ealing council should be ashamed.
This argument is about Ealing Council betraying those that voted for them to maintain and improve Ealing not rape it of its assets, and this must be legally addressed.
Hate us if you must, but its up to the courts to decide if we are correct and we will have our day in court.
For the record it is 100s of ordinary people in Ealing that have had to give up their time, money and energy to fight this campaign against Ealing Council, and there are almost 1000 signatures on the petition, not just the online petition, but including the paper petition combined, which are not advertised in the online total. There is a massive ground swell of opinion and rightly so, as people are waking up to what is really going on here. There are many residents who are appalled at what Ealing are attempting to do and the arrogance of how they have gone about it. The people of Ealing are understandably angry that we were not consulted properly, that the story we were given (drip fed and way too late) was not what was actually happening, and that the deal has been done in secrecy. People are shocked that the normal fail safes to ensure councils can't do this sort of thing have been blatantly and deftly side stepped. Isolating stakeholders individually for approval, manipulating due process and forcing this quickly through. Why? I will not go into here, but this is big business and there are many agendas at play here. Sadly the only agenda that is being thrown under the bus, is that the vital agenda of clear thinking Ealing residents keen to protect their assests; that Ealing Council claim to represent.
So again blame Ealing Council for not handling this properly, not our action to stand up for our rights. If QPR can understand that, then they will understand where to place their frustration - at the steps of Percival House, H.Q of Ealing Council. It is only left for me to apologies on Ealing's' behalf that you have been dragged into this, perhaps they will think twice before they treat their electorate with such contempt again. Sadly I believe their arrogance knows no bounds, so It will be the courts that decide and the electorate come May in the local elections. |
Your dismissal of Ealing Council's logic is disingenuous. This sort of public-private partnership (where the government provides the land and the private entity puts up the development capital) is a very common strategy these days and not in the slightest bit illegal. The fact that you don't like it, does not make it illegal. That is not how laws work. They don't just morph into whatever you want them to whenever you want them to. That is what I meant when i said anyone can file a lawsuit. Just because SWF have filed a lawsuit doesn't mean it has any merit.
The population of Ealing is 340,000 (according to Wikipedia. As such, it is not impressive to say that 1,000 people have signed the petition as that represents only 0.3% of the population. Democracies are usually decided by a 50% plus 1 margin. You still have a long way to go before you are numerically relevant.
Ealing Council is elected democratically. If you don't like what they are doing campaign against them and vote them out. It is completely disingenous to say that Ealing Council are power mad and dictatorial. Just because you disagree, doesn't mean that they are evil. They have a vision for what is best and you have a vision for what is best. You have your right to your perspective and so do they. If you can convince enough people to agree with you, then you can win. That is what democracy is all about. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 23:57 - Apr 3 with 3523 views | savewarrenfarm |
| Warren Farm on 04:15 - Feb 5 by DylanP |
Your dismissal of Ealing Council's logic is disingenuous. This sort of public-private partnership (where the government provides the land and the private entity puts up the development capital) is a very common strategy these days and not in the slightest bit illegal. The fact that you don't like it, does not make it illegal. That is not how laws work. They don't just morph into whatever you want them to whenever you want them to. That is what I meant when i said anyone can file a lawsuit. Just because SWF have filed a lawsuit doesn't mean it has any merit.
The population of Ealing is 340,000 (according to Wikipedia. As such, it is not impressive to say that 1,000 people have signed the petition as that represents only 0.3% of the population. Democracies are usually decided by a 50% plus 1 margin. You still have a long way to go before you are numerically relevant.
Ealing Council is elected democratically. If you don't like what they are doing campaign against them and vote them out. It is completely disingenous to say that Ealing Council are power mad and dictatorial. Just because you disagree, doesn't mean that they are evil. They have a vision for what is best and you have a vision for what is best. You have your right to your perspective and so do they. If you can convince enough people to agree with you, then you can win. That is what democracy is all about. |
Got to question your understanding of democracy and this public-private partnership.
In the UK the first past the post voting system is used. It is very rare for a national or local election to be voted in with a majority (ie 50% + 1).
The contention is that Ealing have broken their own rules. And a four year period is far too long to wait for that to be reviewed.
Hence the requirement for and the legal provision for a judicial review. It is costly, time consuming and requires a great deal of drive to make it happen.
For that reason, the number of petition signatories and the number of people who have given their own money in what is a relatively less well off part of West London is extremely impressive.
In terms of the public-private partnership, yes, there are many such partnerships these days. Once again Ealing failed to work within their own guidelines. They have failed to talk to the people who live by Warren Farm and use Warren Farm. It's easy and convenient to dismiss this as NIMBYism. Hopefully you would object if someone was going to take away the green space that you and your family use for their recreation.
If you don't, you should.
The issues is with and against the actions of Ealing. If the JR goes against Ealing it will be interesting to see QPR's response. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 00:08 - Apr 4 with 3506 views | loftboy |
They haven't asked anyone who uses warren farm because it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack, the place is a run down dump, locals will still be able to use it with much better facilities for all in the borough to use, not just some junky shooting up in the poor excuses for changing rooms. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 00:31 - Apr 4 with 3478 views | HollowayRanger |
you know what i think this lot should move in there
they have to live somewhere after all and would only improve the area! |  |
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| Warren Farm on 08:14 - Apr 4 with 3376 views | DWQPR |
If this runs the whole hog to a Judicial Review, which is highly unlikely to overturn the decision of the Court of Appeal I just hope that the final decision also includes costs being awarded against SFW which will totally dwarf the £5,000 compensation that has been ordered to be paid to QPR so far. Enough to make the Nimby's lose their homes and to seek alternative accommodation in such places as the Golf Links Estate, which after all has a nice bit of green land opposite. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 08:54 - Apr 4 with 3350 views | Lblock |
I wonder if SWF are willing to throw their weight behind a campaign to protect Gunnesbury Park and bring the also shocking changing rooms and public facilities up to scratch?
Warren Farm is hugely underused and whether right or wrong LBE have no interest in it, no money to invest in it and want shot. How about they use the lease money from here to go into partnership with LBH and modernise Gunnesbury? Maybe Noel Road could also be brought kicking and screaming into this century?
But then I doubt Norwood Green locals, modern airplane flyers or a handful of dog walkers really care about these other open spaces do they?
I'm local and hope these plans go through ASAP as if in a few years time this place is yet another housing estate I think the area will burst and Ealing will eat itself |  |
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| Warren Farm on 08:56 - Apr 4 with 3350 views | CorbyQPR |
Maybe a rangers supporter in Ealing should start a petition in favour of the training gd. Guaranteed it will have more than a token thousand signatures. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 09:36 - Apr 4 with 3271 views | BrianMcCarthy |
"In the UK the first past the post voting system is used. It is very rare for a national or local election to be voted in with a majority (ie 50% + 1)."
What kind of an answer is that?
Dylan pointed out that 0.3% is a tiny minority, not the 50% +1 that would constitute a majority, and your reply is that elections aren't won by 50% + 1? True, but they're rarely won by 0.3%, I'd wager.
I've said to you before that you would do better with us if you didn't start off with the assumption that we're stupid. By and large, you and your views have been treated with courtesy and respect on here. Please return the compliment and debate properly.
For the record, I am open to persuasion on this, but you'd want to do better than you are. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 10:39 - Apr 4 with 3218 views | nadera78 |
Personally, I think a 200 year lease is excessive. But the fact remains that Warren Farm was a dump when I played there 20 years ago, it's even worse now, and the council hasn't got the money to regenerate it. The only people who enjoy using it are the dog walkers. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 10:44 - Apr 4 with 3197 views | TGRRRSSS |
Heres to QPR moving into and improving Warren Farm RTID! |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 12:15 - Apr 4 with 3131 views | hoopdog |
| Warren Farm on 10:39 - Apr 4 by nadera78 |
Personally, I think a 200 year lease is excessive. But the fact remains that Warren Farm was a dump when I played there 20 years ago, it's even worse now, and the council hasn't got the money to regenerate it. The only people who enjoy using it are the dog walkers. |
There aren't many dog walkers that use WF they have better on the adjoining area's | | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:21 - Apr 4 with 3080 views | MedwayR |
"someone was going to take away the green space that you and your family use for their recreation."
A third of it will be used by QPR, a third of it will be community facilities run by QPR (and a huge improvement on what is currently there!) and the final third will remain as it is.
How much green space do you need?!?
The deal is a very good one for all parties. QPR get a new training ground & academy, and also get a base for running events within the local community. The local residents get much improved facilities and the opportunity to take part in the wide ranging events that QPR in the Community trust run whilst retaining a good sized plot of open land for dog walking etc. The council has no cost liability for the facilities but deliver top class facilities for their constituents.
Bearing in mind that participation levels in football and most other sports are decreasing largely/partly because of the poor facilities I'm sure many of the local residents would be grateful to be receiving the facilities on offer as part of the development at Warren Farm. I agree with some of the points SWF have made but they are far too menial to outweigh the benefits on offer. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 16:07 - Apr 4 with 3011 views | hoopdog |
| Warren Farm on 13:21 - Apr 4 by MedwayR |
"someone was going to take away the green space that you and your family use for their recreation."
A third of it will be used by QPR, a third of it will be community facilities run by QPR (and a huge improvement on what is currently there!) and the final third will remain as it is.
How much green space do you need?!?
The deal is a very good one for all parties. QPR get a new training ground & academy, and also get a base for running events within the local community. The local residents get much improved facilities and the opportunity to take part in the wide ranging events that QPR in the Community trust run whilst retaining a good sized plot of open land for dog walking etc. The council has no cost liability for the facilities but deliver top class facilities for their constituents.
Bearing in mind that participation levels in football and most other sports are decreasing largely/partly because of the poor facilities I'm sure many of the local residents would be grateful to be receiving the facilities on offer as part of the development at Warren Farm. I agree with some of the points SWF have made but they are far too menial to outweigh the benefits on offer. |
Next to no one uses it | | | |
| Warren Farm on 18:08 - Apr 4 with 2955 views | Juzzie |
I bet when it all happens all the SWF people will think "actually, it's not so bad after all". |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 12:24 - Apr 5 with 2765 views | TGRRRSSS |
You always get some moaning morons with nothing better to do than play a bit of politics, as we see from the picture in that paper. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 19:48 - Oct 4 with 1820 views | Esox_Lucius |
It's now six months on from the last post in this thread and we are still none the wiser about what is going on. Is there a fans forum scheduled before Christmas? Watching the much improved performances by our youth teams emphasises just how important becoming an EDL Category 1 team is to try to protect our playing assets. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 19:54 - Oct 4 with 1795 views | Tonto |
There is yet another legal process to go through... Supreme Court |  |
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| Warren Farm on 19:56 - Oct 4 with 1789 views | Lblock |
My hat still on a plate........ salt and pepper next to it | |
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| Warren Farm on 22:50 - Oct 4 with 1487 views | wombat |
| Warren Farm on 19:56 - Oct 4 by Lblock |
My hat still on a plate........ salt and pepper next to it |
Bumped into lee hoos outside the Preston ground and he said they was waiting for Westminster to come back from summer holidays , they must be back by now surely |  |
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| Warren Farm on 23:42 - Oct 4 with 1419 views | johncharles |
| Warren Farm on 12:15 - Apr 4 by hoopdog |
There aren't many dog walkers that use WF they have better on the adjoining area's |
I lived there and walked my dogs 🕠there for a good thirty years and was friendly with other dog walkers. About 10 of us on a bright sunny day in the summer. Somewhat less in the winter.
Just who the hell is financing the protests ? |  |
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| Warren Farm on 23:54 - Oct 4 with 1402 views | onlyrinmoray |
The OP raised my hopes when I read it How long does it take to get a case to the Supreme Court If you go on the Supreme Court website it shows the current cases being heard , loads of them
This has taken so long any one live in Ealing they could ask a local councillor Even the club could let the supporters know |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 01:19 - Oct 5 with 1339 views | timcocking |
| Warren Farm on 11:05 - Oct 1 by simmo |
Emphasis on the 'OR'. I was asking if it is one or the other, just stating 'green light' when we have got that anyway is not really saying anything. Do you know when this can be expected, or why they have decided the issue can now be dealt with?
'I'll try to give a flying one about your opinion.'
So is this your/your friends opinion or is this fact? |
I'll be steadfastly ignoring this post until i see some major evidence. |  | | |
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