| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 09:44 - Mar 5 with 1016 views | union_jack |
I’ve not read it but going on the thread title that will be another nail in their coffin. |  |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 09:50 - Mar 5 with 1002 views | raynor94 |
What has been farcical about this budget in the Sennedd is that the Labour government have been held to ransom by one failed Lib Dem MP, ban greyhound racing or I'm not supporting the budget.
I sincerely hope the people of Wales wake up to this shambles next year |  |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 12:14 - Mar 5 with 884 views | Whiterockin |
Makes no difference they will be out next year. |  | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 14:56 - Mar 5 with 799 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 09:50 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
What has been farcical about this budget in the Sennedd is that the Labour government have been held to ransom by one failed Lib Dem MP, ban greyhound racing or I'm not supporting the budget.
I sincerely hope the people of Wales wake up to this shambles next year |
It's the same most years. In some ways it's better to be held to ransom by one member than an entire party.
Plaid have not supported them this year because they want to distance themselves from Labour with an election looming. |  | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 14:59 - Mar 5 with 791 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 12:14 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
Makes no difference they will be out next year. |
I don't think they will, thanks in part due to the new voting system and more seats. I can see a Labour / Plaid coalition with a large voting swing away from Labour to reform, it wouldn't surprise me if Reform form the second largest party in the senedd. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 15:25 - Mar 5 with 760 views | Whiterockin |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 14:59 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
I don't think they will, thanks in part due to the new voting system and more seats. I can see a Labour / Plaid coalition with a large voting swing away from Labour to reform, it wouldn't surprise me if Reform form the second largest party in the senedd. |
I think Reform will be the largest party and who they form a coalition with depends on their manifesto in May. If they include a referendum on the Senedd it will rule out Plaid, but if they include an independence referendum within the life of the parliament Plaid would have to be in. We all know the outcome but Plaid would have to back them. This would also strengthen Reforms hand in the next General Election as they can show that they give the public what they want. Politics is a dirty business with many twists and turns to come. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 15:46 - Mar 5 with 712 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 14:59 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
I don't think they will, thanks in part due to the new voting system and more seats. I can see a Labour / Plaid coalition with a large voting swing away from Labour to reform, it wouldn't surprise me if Reform form the second largest party in the senedd. |
If it brings you solace you cling to that thought . | |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 16:07 - Mar 5 with 692 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 15:25 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
I think Reform will be the largest party and who they form a coalition with depends on their manifesto in May. If they include a referendum on the Senedd it will rule out Plaid, but if they include an independence referendum within the life of the parliament Plaid would have to be in. We all know the outcome but Plaid would have to back them. This would also strengthen Reforms hand in the next General Election as they can show that they give the public what they want. Politics is a dirty business with many twists and turns to come. |
This is where it gets tricky. If Reform are the largest party it still doesn't mean they will form a coalition to govern. Unless a party gets 49 seats they won't be able to govern outright. I can't see Reform getting that, even though they will get most votes from the right. The new system lends itself to coalition governments in the future.
The Left will vote Labour, Plaid, Green and for minor parties. That'll split the vote from the political left, but almost certain to give them more than a combined 49 seats. The Lib Dems will get a couple too.
Labour, Plaid and the Lib Dems have been involved in a coalition in Cardiff before to some degree. The Greens fit in well with them politically too.
I can't see anyone really forming a coalition with Reform, nobody from the left for any reason and I don't think the Tories would because it would set a precedent between them and Reform. I really don't think they want that as it could spell the end of the Tory party across the UK.
We could potentially end up with a coalition of minority parties if this happens, but I honestly don't know if the Reform protest vote will actually make it to the ballot paper. We'd need to see a big increase in voter turnout and I can't see it happening.
I'm not certain of the system in Wales now, but in Westminster in this scenario the PM before the election stays on to try and form a coalition government. If this is the case another Labour government is most likely in coalition with others. | | | |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 16:21 - Mar 5 with 674 views | Whiterockin |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 16:07 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
This is where it gets tricky. If Reform are the largest party it still doesn't mean they will form a coalition to govern. Unless a party gets 49 seats they won't be able to govern outright. I can't see Reform getting that, even though they will get most votes from the right. The new system lends itself to coalition governments in the future.
The Left will vote Labour, Plaid, Green and for minor parties. That'll split the vote from the political left, but almost certain to give them more than a combined 49 seats. The Lib Dems will get a couple too.
Labour, Plaid and the Lib Dems have been involved in a coalition in Cardiff before to some degree. The Greens fit in well with them politically too.
I can't see anyone really forming a coalition with Reform, nobody from the left for any reason and I don't think the Tories would because it would set a precedent between them and Reform. I really don't think they want that as it could spell the end of the Tory party across the UK.
We could potentially end up with a coalition of minority parties if this happens, but I honestly don't know if the Reform protest vote will actually make it to the ballot paper. We'd need to see a big increase in voter turnout and I can't see it happening.
I'm not certain of the system in Wales now, but in Westminster in this scenario the PM before the election stays on to try and form a coalition government. If this is the case another Labour government is most likely in coalition with others. |
In Wales the party with the most members chose the First Minister irrespective if they are part of a coalition or not, Its purely on elected members. It could get very messy. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:07 - Mar 5 with 633 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 16:07 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
This is where it gets tricky. If Reform are the largest party it still doesn't mean they will form a coalition to govern. Unless a party gets 49 seats they won't be able to govern outright. I can't see Reform getting that, even though they will get most votes from the right. The new system lends itself to coalition governments in the future.
The Left will vote Labour, Plaid, Green and for minor parties. That'll split the vote from the political left, but almost certain to give them more than a combined 49 seats. The Lib Dems will get a couple too.
Labour, Plaid and the Lib Dems have been involved in a coalition in Cardiff before to some degree. The Greens fit in well with them politically too.
I can't see anyone really forming a coalition with Reform, nobody from the left for any reason and I don't think the Tories would because it would set a precedent between them and Reform. I really don't think they want that as it could spell the end of the Tory party across the UK.
We could potentially end up with a coalition of minority parties if this happens, but I honestly don't know if the Reform protest vote will actually make it to the ballot paper. We'd need to see a big increase in voter turnout and I can't see it happening.
I'm not certain of the system in Wales now, but in Westminster in this scenario the PM before the election stays on to try and form a coalition government. If this is the case another Labour government is most likely in coalition with others. |
Well I reckon if Reform somehow get enough seats that a coalition with the tories puts them in power, the tories will jump at it. A chance to be in government in Wales, that's massive for the tories.
I don't see it happening though. I don't see Reform performing as well as a few on here hope. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:18 - Mar 5 with 627 views | pencoedjack |
If I believed that those in the Senedd would use the money to improve infrastructure & bring jobs to Wales I would have no issue in paying additional tax.
Unfortunately we all (except for the forum idiots) know it would be wasted.
Drakeford still in a position to make such decisions says it all. |  | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:27 - Mar 5 with 611 views | Whiterockin |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:18 - Mar 5 by pencoedjack |
If I believed that those in the Senedd would use the money to improve infrastructure & bring jobs to Wales I would have no issue in paying additional tax.
Unfortunately we all (except for the forum idiots) know it would be wasted.
Drakeford still in a position to make such decisions says it all. |
If they do it on higher rate taxpayers as in Scotland, NHS in Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham will find harder to recruit for higher paid positions. Other high spec jobs will move over the border. It's not so prelevant in Scotland because the highly populated areas are not in easy commuting distance to England. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:34 - Mar 5 with 593 views | pencoedjack |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:27 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
If they do it on higher rate taxpayers as in Scotland, NHS in Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham will find harder to recruit for higher paid positions. Other high spec jobs will move over the border. It's not so prelevant in Scotland because the highly populated areas are not in easy commuting distance to England. |
I understand your view WR but South Wales has no prosperity & as the majority can see the infrastructure into South Wales will not attract business.
Welsh Labour want to keep the poor poor so they keep voting for them.
A sad state of affairs. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:36 - Mar 5 with 584 views | Dr_Winston |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:18 - Mar 5 by pencoedjack |
If I believed that those in the Senedd would use the money to improve infrastructure & bring jobs to Wales I would have no issue in paying additional tax.
Unfortunately we all (except for the forum idiots) know it would be wasted.
Drakeford still in a position to make such decisions says it all. |
Not spend at least £30m on more MP's we don't need amongst countless other millions pissed away or increase taxes?
Any Labour Government would make the same choice. Whether Senedd or Westminster. |  |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:36 - Mar 5 with 584 views | majorraglan |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:27 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
If they do it on higher rate taxpayers as in Scotland, NHS in Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham will find harder to recruit for higher paid positions. Other high spec jobs will move over the border. It's not so prelevant in Scotland because the highly populated areas are not in easy commuting distance to England. |
Totally agree with you, people living near Cardiff will bail out to Bristol, Gloucester and Hereford. It could cause a haemorrhaging of doctors, consultants and other top professionals.
There are issues in need of addressing, but the bottom line here is WG should look at their own house before looking to take money out of peoples pockets. Drakers just needs to ….. off. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:37 - Mar 5 with 583 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:18 - Mar 5 by pencoedjack |
If I believed that those in the Senedd would use the money to improve infrastructure & bring jobs to Wales I would have no issue in paying additional tax.
Unfortunately we all (except for the forum idiots) know it would be wasted.
Drakeford still in a position to make such decisions says it all. |
Says it all, Drakeford finance minister! Thankfully Lee Waters the man who introduced the blanket 20mph limit, and actually voted against his own party by mistake is stepping down at the next election. | |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 18:51 - Mar 5 with 528 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:27 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
If they do it on higher rate taxpayers as in Scotland, NHS in Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham will find harder to recruit for higher paid positions. Other high spec jobs will move over the border. It's not so prelevant in Scotland because the highly populated areas are not in easy commuting distance to England. |
It's obvious to all but Drakeford. |  |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:01 - Mar 5 with 513 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 16:21 - Mar 5 by Whiterockin |
In Wales the party with the most members chose the First Minister irrespective if they are part of a coalition or not, Its purely on elected members. It could get very messy. |
Don't think they do, they have to be elected so will need cross party support if not a majority government. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:06 - Mar 5 with 496 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 18:51 - Mar 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's obvious to all but Drakeford. |
If Eluned Morgan had any sense she'd jettison Drakeford. He shouldn't be anywhere near government if Labour want to get reelected. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:10 - Mar 5 with 490 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:07 - Mar 5 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I reckon if Reform somehow get enough seats that a coalition with the tories puts them in power, the tories will jump at it. A chance to be in government in Wales, that's massive for the tories.
I don't see it happening though. I don't see Reform performing as well as a few on here hope. |
They'd also need electable candidates living in Wales. I doubt they have many. The English ones are bad enough.
There's a core vote for the other parties who will turn out. I'm not sure Reform will get enough actual votes. We'd need the biggest turnout in Senedd election history to see that I think. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:10 - Mar 5 with 490 views | max936 |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 18:51 - Mar 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's obvious to all but Drakeford. |
Dreadful is utterly hopeless, Walters is another clueless buffoon. |  |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:29 - Mar 5 with 458 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:07 - Mar 5 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I reckon if Reform somehow get enough seats that a coalition with the tories puts them in power, the tories will jump at it. A chance to be in government in Wales, that's massive for the tories.
I don't see it happening though. I don't see Reform performing as well as a few on here hope. |
Regarding Reform winning you could be right but we'll have to see , Labour has scored an own goal with the the introduction of the blanket 20mph limit ,this despite a petition of nearly half a million demanding a rethink of the ill thought out waste of millions in its introduction and by its own admission a policy which will cost the Welsh economy 9 billion pounds, it still thinks it has the support its always taken for granted. People have had their eyes opened to the wanton waste, poor policy decisions and ineptitude on a grand scale by a political party which is not for the people it represents but for twisted ideologies .
A coalition government is quite likely but it won't be Reform & Labour but as you say more than likely Reform and the Tories . | |
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:40 - Mar 5 with 436 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 19:29 - Mar 5 by Boundy |
Regarding Reform winning you could be right but we'll have to see , Labour has scored an own goal with the the introduction of the blanket 20mph limit ,this despite a petition of nearly half a million demanding a rethink of the ill thought out waste of millions in its introduction and by its own admission a policy which will cost the Welsh economy 9 billion pounds, it still thinks it has the support its always taken for granted. People have had their eyes opened to the wanton waste, poor policy decisions and ineptitude on a grand scale by a political party which is not for the people it represents but for twisted ideologies .
A coalition government is quite likely but it won't be Reform & Labour but as you say more than likely Reform and the Tories . |
Labour really have pissed on their own chips and if they raised taxes they would really regret it but they won't raise them. They'll look at it, say not now or in the near future and then if they win the next election and somehow manage a majority (I really can't see that either) then they'll raise taxes right at the beginning of the term. That's my opinion anyway. | | | |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 21:58 - Mar 5 with 359 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 17:07 - Mar 5 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I reckon if Reform somehow get enough seats that a coalition with the tories puts them in power, the tories will jump at it. A chance to be in government in Wales, that's massive for the tories.
I don't see it happening though. I don't see Reform performing as well as a few on here hope. |
Of course Wales is not going to change after over 100 years of voting Labour to vote for the English Nationalist Brexit/Reform mob.
They have never delivered anything of value anywhere.
Not for Farage the Clacton MP spends more time in the US than in Clacton.
If you really think these posh English people will help the welsh working class then i have a bridge to sell you. You are being used.
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| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 11:28 - Mar 6 with 196 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford to Increase Income Tax in Wales? on 21:58 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Of course Wales is not going to change after over 100 years of voting Labour to vote for the English Nationalist Brexit/Reform mob.
They have never delivered anything of value anywhere.
Not for Farage the Clacton MP spends more time in the US than in Clacton.
If you really think these posh English people will help the welsh working class then i have a bridge to sell you. You are being used.
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IS that aimed at me? If so, why? | | | |
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