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Mark Warburton interview on 15:47 - Nov 16 by daveB
He did a good job but the wheels well and truly came off that 3rd season and before the injuries came in. If you look back a lot of the wins were narrow ones which could have gone the other way and that eventually turned to losing close games instead.
I'm not sure he'd have lasted long into that 4th season if he had stayed, he'd already fallen out with the board and the DOF and was starting to lose fans but we'll never know
Thats the point though Dave. He fell out with the board (TF, Bhatia, etc) and the DoF (Les). He called them out and lost his job in that third season.
The owners are killing our club, not Mark Warburton, or Marti Cifuentes.
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Mark Warburton interview on 09:07 - Nov 17 with 2262 views
Mark Warburton interview on 12:26 - Nov 16 by Northernr
Some light reading here for your international weekend. It’s what we said at the time of the sacking. Basically “yeh it’s gone to sht this season, but this is a big mistake we’ll come to regret”.
It's just all so ****ing depressing. Absentee owners who don't understand the football industry. A head of performance with two jobs who's based in Dubai. A head of recruitment who spends all his time watching QPR games. And a schoolboy running the show.
What I saw in Leeds was a team that would fail to win anything in League 1 let alone the Chapmpionship.
Mark Warburton interview on 09:07 - Nov 17 by londonscottish
It's just all so ****ing depressing. Absentee owners who don't understand the football industry. A head of performance with two jobs who's based in Dubai. A head of recruitment who spends all his time watching QPR games. And a schoolboy running the show.
What I saw in Leeds was a team that would fail to win anything in League 1 let alone the Chapmpionship.
Mark Warburton is the answer to many if not all our weaknesses & failings.
Alex Ferguson raised standards across every department at United and if what I was told by a member of staff at ours is right was the person who insisted we place crowd control barriers outside our main entrance so their players could walk in unaccosted by fans,
Warburton is this person, he upsets lazy under-performing types, in whatever department,
I have hope Reuben has more sense than a lot of our fans with their...but we tailed, but we went sideways, but he raised his voice at the Academy staff,
Ffs, wake up, see whats in front of your eyes, every department bar the Community Dept is an effing car crash.
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Mark Warburton interview on 12:26 - Nov 17 with 2053 views
Mark Warburton interview on 17:39 - Nov 16 by Ned_Kennedys
Although he generally had better players to work with.
Well, that's interesting. Who is it who's overseeing the recruitment of all these inferior players? Probably ought to be having a word in their direction...
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Mark Warburton interview on 12:37 - Nov 17 with 2023 views
Mark Warburton interview on 12:26 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Well, that's interesting. Who is it who's overseeing the recruitment of all these inferior players? Probably ought to be having a word in their direction...
Northern,
Your 'So This is Goodbye' was strangely cathartic and should be read by all on this Forum,
Your Alan Curbishley prophecy is unnervingly close to the mark,
If the fans turn on our decent but hopelessly naive and optimistic owners, we could go full Charlton in the coming decade as we're a financial basket case for the foreseeable future,
Whether or not our fans believe Warburton is the all-encompassing panacea as I do or not,
We are fast approaching our Charlton sliding doors moment, we need to be careful we don't prompt a further decade that will be worse than the last one.
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Mark Warburton interview on 12:45 - Nov 17 with 2003 views
Mark Warburton interview on 12:37 - Nov 17 by ParkRoyalR
Northern,
Your 'So This is Goodbye' was strangely cathartic and should be read by all on this Forum,
Your Alan Curbishley prophecy is unnervingly close to the mark,
If the fans turn on our decent but hopelessly naive and optimistic owners, we could go full Charlton in the coming decade as we're a financial basket case for the foreseeable future,
Whether or not our fans believe Warburton is the all-encompassing panacea as I do or not,
We are fast approaching our Charlton sliding doors moment, we need to be careful we don't prompt a further decade that will be worse than the last one.
Well on this issue I agree with you.
We have benevolent but largely absent and pretty clueless owners. I'm sure they'd love to sell it if they could, but it's a heavily loss making thing with little scope for expansion and it's hemmed in by FFP so it's little wonder they haven't found takers. The worry is always if they decide they've had enough, or are driven out, and there isn't another fool to write that cheque then what does that future look like.
For them to be successful here they need a good manager for sure, but more importantly a really experienced, competent, grown up person in that DOF role sitting between the chequebook and the manager.
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Mark Warburton interview on 12:57 - Nov 17 with 1961 views
Mark Warburton interview on 12:45 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Well on this issue I agree with you.
We have benevolent but largely absent and pretty clueless owners. I'm sure they'd love to sell it if they could, but it's a heavily loss making thing with little scope for expansion and it's hemmed in by FFP so it's little wonder they haven't found takers. The worry is always if they decide they've had enough, or are driven out, and there isn't another fool to write that cheque then what does that future look like.
For them to be successful here they need a good manager for sure, but more importantly a really experienced, competent, grown up person in that DOF role sitting between the chequebook and the manager.
Who are candidates though?. Mark Warburton Steve Gallen .... ?
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Mark Warburton interview on 13:05 - Nov 17 with 1936 views
Mark Warburton interview on 12:57 - Nov 17 by PunteR
Who are candidates though?. Mark Warburton Steve Gallen .... ?
Well, yeh, but it's a vast sport. Most clubs have people in that role now. Other folk are available who haven't been at QPR before.
QPR can be rather guilty of always looking for a returning figure from the past to come bail us out, there are lots of people out there. Though of course people like that do bring a welcome understanding of the club and its fans presently lacking.
Experience is the key though, for me. It's a really difficult club and job.
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Mark Warburton interview on 14:31 - Nov 17 with 1799 views
Yes agree with that.Given the finances we are now going to have to be lucky with loans.My sense is we are in trouble, when it goes against you as a club it really does turn against you.Sometimes I think back you get ten year periods where a club can do no wrong, every buy comes off.Wharburtom remindied me what a decent team he had and that turned against him.The team is continually being asked to get them selves out of difficult situations,Once ok twice?.Tough ,tough job.Use all the contacts we have got for a premiership loanee ,a youngster or too.I hope the team is working on something now.
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Mark Warburton interview on 14:50 - Nov 17 with 1753 views
Mark Warburton interview on 10:42 - Nov 17 by ParkRoyalR
Mark Warburton is the answer to many if not all our weaknesses & failings.
Alex Ferguson raised standards across every department at United and if what I was told by a member of staff at ours is right was the person who insisted we place crowd control barriers outside our main entrance so their players could walk in unaccosted by fans,
Warburton is this person, he upsets lazy under-performing types, in whatever department,
I have hope Reuben has more sense than a lot of our fans with their...but we tailed, but we went sideways, but he raised his voice at the Academy staff,
Ffs, wake up, see whats in front of your eyes, every department bar the Community Dept is an effing car crash.
Interview suggests Warburton wants another manager’s job: where has he indicated he wants to be a DOF? Also how do we know he didn’t burn his bridges with the owners and Hoos when he left? Other experienced options who haven’t worked at QPR before should be available in the unlikely event Nourry goes.
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Mark Warburton interview on 15:11 - Nov 17 with 1710 views
Mark Warburton interview on 14:50 - Nov 17 by Ned_Kennedys
Interview suggests Warburton wants another manager’s job: where has he indicated he wants to be a DOF? Also how do we know he didn’t burn his bridges with the owners and Hoos when he left? Other experienced options who haven’t worked at QPR before should be available in the unlikely event Nourry goes.
Ned, my thoughts are:
Q) Warburton wants another Managers Job A) That's his preference but may accept DoF role working with Cifuentes, who may have had enough already (can you imagine being told at work you're new boss will be a 26 year old with zero experience, anyone sane would just think wtf)
Q) Did'nt burn his bridges A) They both seem to speak positively of each other
Q) Other experienced options A) QPR must be seen as a basket case by now, we're a cash-cow rather than a career move for anyone with any integrity & ability (we need both)
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Mark Warburton interview on 16:54 - Nov 17 with 1560 views
"....And I think your stats for Willock in 2021-22 prove a fully fit Chris Willock was contributing 1 in 2 goal involvements...."
But isn't that one of the problems that Willock has rarely been fully fit in the past 2 years and besides, he ran down his contract and chose to move elsewhere.
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Mark Warburton interview on 17:01 - Nov 17 with 1520 views
Mark Warburton interview on 16:54 - Nov 17 by OldPedro
"....And I think your stats for Willock in 2021-22 prove a fully fit Chris Willock was contributing 1 in 2 goal involvements...."
But isn't that one of the problems that Willock has rarely been fully fit in the past 2 years and besides, he ran down his contract and chose to move elsewhere.
Yes, but he was available for a significant part of the 2nd Half of last season iirr and even a half fit Chris Willock is a great asset in this division, we don't have him this year, one of the reasons I think we're bang in trouble.
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Mark Warburton interview on 19:20 - Nov 17 with 1371 views
Mark Warburton interview on 17:01 - Nov 17 by ParkRoyalR
Yes, but he was available for a significant part of the 2nd Half of last season iirr and even a half fit Chris Willock is a great asset in this division, we don't have him this year, one of the reasons I think we're bang in trouble.
Totally agree. A half-fit Willock is streets ahead of Andersen. It's pretty clear that Andersen only looked as good as he did from February to the end of last season, because Willock and Chair were playing alongside him for most of the time and either/or both of them were double marked whenever they had the ball, making it a lot easier for Andersen.
Fast-forward this season and in their absence, it was incumbent on Andersen, as the senior attacking midfielder, to take the lead role. Sadly, he has been abject and his performances have been way worse than Willock's worst from last season.
One difference, in spite of performing at levels well below Willock's, Andersen has largely escaped criticism-free when compared to the torrents directed at Willock; ranging from his "attitude" being constantly called into question alongside matters away from the football pitch being thrown in for good measure.
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Mark Warburton interview on 19:51 - Nov 17 with 1318 views
Mark Warburton interview on 19:20 - Nov 17 by Loyalitat
Totally agree. A half-fit Willock is streets ahead of Andersen. It's pretty clear that Andersen only looked as good as he did from February to the end of last season, because Willock and Chair were playing alongside him for most of the time and either/or both of them were double marked whenever they had the ball, making it a lot easier for Andersen.
Fast-forward this season and in their absence, it was incumbent on Andersen, as the senior attacking midfielder, to take the lead role. Sadly, he has been abject and his performances have been way worse than Willock's worst from last season.
One difference, in spite of performing at levels well below Willock's, Andersen has largely escaped criticism-free when compared to the torrents directed at Willock; ranging from his "attitude" being constantly called into question alongside matters away from the football pitch being thrown in for good measure.
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"Totally agree. A half-fit Willock is streets ahead of Andersen."
Pity he wasn't willing to stay - no use talking about players that didn't want to stay, same with Armstrong.
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Mark Warburton interview on 19:55 - Nov 17 with 1312 views
Mark Warburton interview on 16:24 - Nov 17 by ParkRoyalR
Ned, my thoughts are:
Q) Warburton wants another Managers Job A) That's his preference but may accept DoF role working with Cifuentes, who may have had enough already (can you imagine being told at work you're new boss will be a 26 year old with zero experience, anyone sane would just think wtf)
Q) Did'nt burn his bridges A) They both seem to speak positively of each other
Q) Other experienced options A) QPR must be seen as a basket case by now, we're a cash-cow rather than a career move for anyone with any integrity & ability (we need both)
Do you think, from everything we know about him (and like you I’m a huge fan and would have him back here in a heartbeat) he’d be able to let a manager manage underneath him.
I think he’d v quickly be wanting to do that job too.
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Mark Warburton interview on 20:38 - Nov 17 with 1237 views
Mark Warburton interview on 19:55 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Do you think, from everything we know about him (and like you I’m a huge fan and would have him back here in a heartbeat) he’d be able to let a manager manage underneath him.
I think he’d v quickly be wanting to do that job too.
I agree,
But perversely Cifuentes might welcome the air-cover in not having to manage the likes of Nourry, Belk, our Academy Team and just enjoy focusing on coaching the 1st team?
While Warburton works on trying to strengthen the 1st team squad with loans for January?
Cifuentes has surely seen enough now to realise it's about limiting his reputational damage and getting out in a year or so unscathed and re-employable.
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Mark Warburton interview on 20:45 - Nov 17 with 1212 views
Mark Warburton interview on 20:38 - Nov 17 by ParkRoyalR
I agree,
But perversely Cifuentes might welcome the air-cover in not having to manage the likes of Nourry, Belk, our Academy Team and just enjoy focusing on coaching the 1st team?
While Warburton works on trying to strengthen the 1st team squad with loans for January?
Cifuentes has surely seen enough now to realise it's about limiting his reputational damage and getting out in a year or so unscathed and re-employable.
Well I've spent the last week writing the Cifuentes exit piece so I think you can probably gather how much longer I suspect he's got. Certainly not the time it would take to remove Nourry and appoint Warburton as his replacement.
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Mark Warburton interview on 20:55 - Nov 17 with 1189 views
Mark Warburton interview on 20:45 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Well I've spent the last week writing the Cifuentes exit piece so I think you can probably gather how much longer I suspect he's got. Certainly not the time it would take to remove Nourry and appoint Warburton as his replacement.
If they force Cifuentes out & keep Nourry in place & think the fans will swallow that they're more naive than even we think.
The fans need to make their voice heard at the Stoke game,
Bcos if they force Cifuentes out, keep Nourry and don't bring in Warburton, can you imagine the mood in the Dressing Room and in the Stands?
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Mark Warburton interview on 20:57 - Nov 17 with 1182 views
Mark Warburton interview on 19:55 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Do you think, from everything we know about him (and like you I’m a huge fan and would have him back here in a heartbeat) he’d be able to let a manager manage underneath him.
I think he’d v quickly be wanting to do that job too.
I actually think the absolute opposite. After all those years of working the markets for huge Corporates, in the DOF role he will have a grasp of discipline and overreach that very few other candidates would have. I actually think from looking at his skillset he would be a better DOF than manager. I think that would be his absolute forte.
I know he's fallen out with the hierarchy as a manager, but that's totally understandable as he has the awareness to see where they are going wrong. At the level above, especially given the free reign that Noury** is given he can implement the policies that he could see were sadly lacking previously. Sink or Swim, and to my mind he would swim.
**Absolute Cnt who needs to fck right off now the cnt
I shall have a word with the board this week ;-)
Apologies for the syntax n punctuation....Raving Shoreditch n then Brixton innit
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Mark Warburton interview on 22:00 - Nov 17 with 1086 views
So expect a 4 nil QPR win and you know i am to blame
If Cifuentes is on his way out, this club has seriously lost its soul.
Yes would have Warburton instead of Nourry at D o F but think this bloke is on a mission to destroy QPR.
Doing a better job of it than Palladini, Ecclestone and Briatore.
If Cifuentes goes, after such a positive last end to the season, then I despair.
Time to follow anyone other than QPR.
Seriously the club are messing up so badly this season and they are on a mission to make it infinitely worse. We are being eaten away by the cancer from within and the fall from grace could be catastrophic.
Nourry and co if you are reading , you may very well be underestimating the complete disillusionment with your very successful attempts to completely destroy our club.
I would say to them be very careful with what you do next...
Mark Warburton interview on 20:45 - Nov 17 by Northernr
Well I've spent the last week writing the Cifuentes exit piece so I think you can probably gather how much longer I suspect he's got. Certainly not the time it would take to remove Nourry and appoint Warburton as his replacement.
Though anyone can write anything at any time, of course, I find it quite bewildering and troubling to be writing a piece about MC's exit, unless you do, at some level, want him out.
Perhaps you're already also writing a puff piece about Warburton coming in by the same token? But why stop there? As any manager will be sacked sooner or later, perhaps we could have a 'say hello, wave goodbye' Soft Cell-type greeting for all future incumbents, welcoming them to the club while speculating about the manner of their departure.
It's a strange time to be a QPR supporter, that's for sure, and it looks like just about everyone is losing the plot, or following their own agendas, one way or another.
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