| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:07 - Oct 9 with 2864 views | Northernr |
Financial element as well. Ainsworth, Dobson, all the new staff they brought in, would all require paying off. Is there FFP headroom enough to do that? New manager to pay, plus his staff. And any new manager coming in is going to want to know what there is to spend in january - the answer here is nothing and ideally you sell Chair. |  | |  |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:08 - Oct 9 with 2847 views | Rangers67 |
Where do you start with this sh@t show ? the good, Clive,s report end of the good stuff. A lot of what I wanted to say after Saturday has already been said. But I have to vent somewhere. In a seat a couple away from me was a young lad I would guess about 7 or 8 coming to his first game, all decked out in his new away shirt and bright eyed . What an introduction to football at his parents and grand parents behest. I was tempted to be angry on his behalf and for a lot of the game I was but as time drifted on during the game my feelings turned to sadness and resignation. Not sadness for the young lad but for my football club who like many on here I have invested more than 50 years into.
When I woke on Sunday morning I was fully expecting to see the club had come to their senses and sacked Gareth. I really hoped he would succeed but sadly there is a man way out of his depth. His pathetic post match diatribes are getting more and more depressing. As I sat there on Saturday watching us long ball after long ball to some bloke called Dykes pretending to be a center forward I wondered how he thought this stone age style of football was going to get us anywhere. The one in 6 or 7 headers he did win resulted in giving the ball back to a far superior team to exert more pressure on us.
From my position in the stands I tried to spot out coach on the side line at various times during the game and he was conspicuous by his absence for much of it.
I sat and watched as in the second half the Blackburn no 4 pulled wide right to receive a ball from a team mate not under pressure and then proceed to launch attack after attack with no tactical intervention from our coaching staff. Now as Clive has said my coaching qualifications are next to zero but my eyesight is still pretty good and I can see this from the stand let alone the touchline. This brings me to one of the many problems with our club, our coach/ manager is being comprehensively out coached nearly every game.
He has lost the players of that there is no doubt and what is very puzzling is the lack of action from above. He was the wrong man at the wrong team at the wrong time sadly. So those at the top bare as much responsibility as Gareth does.
Our club at the moment reminds me of the man in the Stevie Smith poem Not waving but drowning. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:09 - Oct 9 with 2833 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:06 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
I thought Colback was worse than Dozzell personally.
Dunne I give a tiny, tiny bit of leeway as he hasn't played since halfway through pre-season.
A lot of anger on here, but I'm well past it. I was laughing on Saturday. Because after the anger, it's either laugh or cry. |
Clive's made this point before, at the matches, at the forum....QPR crowds in the past have gone nuts at seeing far less.
Maybe the fanbase has changed, and it isn't a who's the angriest competition, but I still stand in the Loft and am amazed at some of the laissez faire attitudes. I just don't remember it in the past, this acceptance of rubbish, of total incompetence and sometimes lack of interest.
As you say - perhaps we are all numb to it now as it has happened so often for so long. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:13 - Oct 9 with 2796 views | CateLeBonR |
I think what struck me most was the look of complete calm on all the Blackburn players faces. They just looked completely serene it was so easy for them. I’ve never seen anything like it. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:19 - Oct 9 with 2749 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:07 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
Financial element as well. Ainsworth, Dobson, all the new staff they brought in, would all require paying off. Is there FFP headroom enough to do that? New manager to pay, plus his staff. And any new manager coming in is going to want to know what there is to spend in january - the answer here is nothing and ideally you sell Chair. |
Isn't it a case of we can't afford to sack the manager and staff, but also that we can't afford not to? | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:21 - Oct 9 with 2731 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:06 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
I thought Colback was worse than Dozzell personally.
Dunne I give a tiny, tiny bit of leeway as he hasn't played since halfway through pre-season.
A lot of anger on here, but I'm well past it. I was laughing on Saturday. Because after the anger, it's either laugh or cry. |
Sorry Anti, everyone sees the game differently but I cannot see how 1 decent pass in nearly 100 minutes of football is acceptable.
Takes the easy option everytime, with a 10 pass back to where the ball came from, never moves into space quickly enough to take the ball, never breaks the line, never wins a tackle (or gets even close enough to make one), never wins a header (or gets close enough to challenge for one).
Obviously not all down to him, but he is symptomatic of the I just cant be arsed malaise evident in too many players. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:29 - Oct 9 with 2693 views | ted_hendrix |
Look, you support a club so you buy either a season ticket or the odd ticket to home games or whatever.
You've actually taken a risk by spending your money In the vain hope that you'll be either pleased by the outcome of the game or pissed off.
That's It, that's the risk you take.
But.
By going continually and witnessing the same mistakes in front of your very eyes but as has been proved recently an actual situation whereby It's actually getting worse then something has to give.
I'd almost give anything to go back to the day's of the bucket collections when we were stone cold bloody skint, we are stone cold skint now but It's a different kind of skint, I cant Identify with It.
I know what I wan't to say but I can't put it into words, I'm no different to anybody else but I hate watching the club suffer like this, not the players, not the Manager, but the club.
The club. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:37 - Oct 9 with 2650 views | eastside_r |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:07 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
Financial element as well. Ainsworth, Dobson, all the new staff they brought in, would all require paying off. Is there FFP headroom enough to do that? New manager to pay, plus his staff. And any new manager coming in is going to want to know what there is to spend in january - the answer here is nothing and ideally you sell Chair. |
I think at some stage, Clive, you predicted that Ainsworth would be gone by October. I thought at the time that this was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
It now seems absolutely spot on. Whatever the financial implications, I expect that GA will be gone by the end of the week. |  | | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:40 - Oct 9 with 2641 views | daveB |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:07 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
Financial element as well. Ainsworth, Dobson, all the new staff they brought in, would all require paying off. Is there FFP headroom enough to do that? New manager to pay, plus his staff. And any new manager coming in is going to want to know what there is to spend in january - the answer here is nothing and ideally you sell Chair. |
I'd take the risk, could always keep Dobson and Ben Williams around the place
If we end up staying up means potential points deduction (possibly suspended) next year, if we go down anyway it won't matter |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:48 - Oct 9 with 2584 views | stevec |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:09 - Oct 9 by GaryBannister86 |
Clive's made this point before, at the matches, at the forum....QPR crowds in the past have gone nuts at seeing far less.
Maybe the fanbase has changed, and it isn't a who's the angriest competition, but I still stand in the Loft and am amazed at some of the laissez faire attitudes. I just don't remember it in the past, this acceptance of rubbish, of total incompetence and sometimes lack of interest.
As you say - perhaps we are all numb to it now as it has happened so often for so long. |
That’s an interesting point, something I was thinking looking round the ground for the last 20 odd minutes, 0-4 down.
I put the apathy largely down to the advent of social media.
In the past if the team were shit, the team were shit. The only people truly engaged would be in the ground raging at the board, at the manager and at the players. We had literally nothing else to go on or to vent on, so ‘face to face’ so to speak, we gave it to them in public and they couldn’t fail to hear it.
Now, we all vent our spleens on here. Consequently it’s less personal for those involved in running the club. Invariably there will always be someone on social media that makes the case why, for instance, the board have their hands tied, why the manager can’t do what we want him to do, why players may be having a mental wobble for instance. It all dilutes everything to a laissez faire attitude, where in the end it results in the shit show being given yet another chance to redeem itself, though it never actually will.
Look at it like this. If someone calls you a useless cnt on social media, you can probably live with it, if someone calls you a useless cnt to your face, it’s a different story.
It’s football, it’s politics, it’s everything. It’s why nothing actually ever changes anymore. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:50 - Oct 9 with 2585 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:21 - Oct 9 by ParkRoyalR |
Sorry Anti, everyone sees the game differently but I cannot see how 1 decent pass in nearly 100 minutes of football is acceptable.
Takes the easy option everytime, with a 10 pass back to where the ball came from, never moves into space quickly enough to take the ball, never breaks the line, never wins a tackle (or gets even close enough to make one), never wins a header (or gets close enough to challenge for one).
Obviously not all down to him, but he is symptomatic of the I just cant be arsed malaise evident in too many players. |
Not saying he played well or it was even acceptable. I just thought Colback was worse! |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:52 - Oct 9 with 2577 views | Rangers67 |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:29 - Oct 9 by ted_hendrix |
Look, you support a club so you buy either a season ticket or the odd ticket to home games or whatever.
You've actually taken a risk by spending your money In the vain hope that you'll be either pleased by the outcome of the game or pissed off.
That's It, that's the risk you take.
But.
By going continually and witnessing the same mistakes in front of your very eyes but as has been proved recently an actual situation whereby It's actually getting worse then something has to give.
I'd almost give anything to go back to the day's of the bucket collections when we were stone cold bloody skint, we are stone cold skint now but It's a different kind of skint, I cant Identify with It.
I know what I wan't to say but I can't put it into words, I'm no different to anybody else but I hate watching the club suffer like this, not the players, not the Manager, but the club.
The club. |
Well said Ted but I would add it is the fans who are the longest suffering. I suspect FFP was designed for two reasons, firstly to maintain the status quo so that " little clubs" can,t challenge their favoured clubs and to a lesser extent protect clubs from being asset stripped. Sadly one of the side affects is FANS at clubs like ours suffering the misery partly inflicted by FFP | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:53 - Oct 9 with 2575 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:48 - Oct 9 by stevec |
That’s an interesting point, something I was thinking looking round the ground for the last 20 odd minutes, 0-4 down.
I put the apathy largely down to the advent of social media.
In the past if the team were shit, the team were shit. The only people truly engaged would be in the ground raging at the board, at the manager and at the players. We had literally nothing else to go on or to vent on, so ‘face to face’ so to speak, we gave it to them in public and they couldn’t fail to hear it.
Now, we all vent our spleens on here. Consequently it’s less personal for those involved in running the club. Invariably there will always be someone on social media that makes the case why, for instance, the board have their hands tied, why the manager can’t do what we want him to do, why players may be having a mental wobble for instance. It all dilutes everything to a laissez faire attitude, where in the end it results in the shit show being given yet another chance to redeem itself, though it never actually will.
Look at it like this. If someone calls you a useless cnt on social media, you can probably live with it, if someone calls you a useless cnt to your face, it’s a different story.
It’s football, it’s politics, it’s everything. It’s why nothing actually ever changes anymore. |
Excellent point, hadn't really thought of that. The ire and constructive criticism on here is very rarely replicated in the ground and I think you are right for why that is.
Considering we used to be the grumpiest crowd with the highest of standards and even with our excellent sides if we went two goals down at home (even to giant clubs) "what a load of rubbish" would never be far from our lips.
I still can't get over how the crowd put up with last year's loanees with barely a whimper. One half-hearted chant of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" and a bloke berating Balogun and that was about it.
If ever there was a bunch of players that deserved to learn about what was not acceptable it was those loanees. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:05 - Oct 9 with 2527 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:50 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
Not saying he played well or it was even acceptable. I just thought Colback was worse! |
Got to say that, when watching the goals for the first time, I was shocked how half-arsed his effort was on the first goal. Granted, it's not the reason we lost but I was expecting him to be far more fired up at 0-0. He pretty much waves the cross through. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:17 - Oct 9 with 2487 views | traininvain |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:50 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
Not saying he played well or it was even acceptable. I just thought Colback was worse! |
Agreed. Maybe higher expectations for colback but I thought he was a complete passenger on Saturday and I was hoping he might provide a bit of leadership on the pitch but no sign of that. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:17 - Oct 9 with 2485 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 09:06 - Oct 9 by kingsburyR |
Great piece of writing bar the spoiler alert on the book I'm just about to read! LOL
That performance was as bad as it gets in the 40+ years I have been going to QPR and that's saying something.
Bear a thought for my 10 year old daughter who I have been bringing to LR for the last two years. I had to explain to her on Saturday why we were leaving on 68 minutes. She has seen nothing but absolute dog dirge the whole time I've been bring the poor sod to games yet still loves going. Ive always thought well it can't get any worse........... then Saturday happened.
I can't remember going to a game with my little one and us fully enjoying the experience. She gets we are QPR and it doesn't come as a shiny package as it does on Sky Sports but fu(k me give her something.
Someone behind me in MU shouted out he'd rather one a Chelsea fan not long after the 4th went in. He had a point! |
I'm in exactly the same position mate. Been bringing my 11 year old daughter for the last couple of seasons. She knows it's a family curse, but somehow still wants to keep coming to games. We also left when the 4th went in as I just couldn't take any more. This is the worst I can remember in my 50+ years of going to games.
We won't be going back until Gareth has been replaced as this it now well beyond a joke. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:34 - Oct 9 with 2397 views | captainmycaptian |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 09:06 - Oct 9 by kingsburyR |
Great piece of writing bar the spoiler alert on the book I'm just about to read! LOL
That performance was as bad as it gets in the 40+ years I have been going to QPR and that's saying something.
Bear a thought for my 10 year old daughter who I have been bringing to LR for the last two years. I had to explain to her on Saturday why we were leaving on 68 minutes. She has seen nothing but absolute dog dirge the whole time I've been bring the poor sod to games yet still loves going. Ive always thought well it can't get any worse........... then Saturday happened.
I can't remember going to a game with my little one and us fully enjoying the experience. She gets we are QPR and it doesn't come as a shiny package as it does on Sky Sports but fu(k me give her something.
Someone behind me in MU shouted out he'd rather one a Chelsea fan not long after the 4th went in. He had a point! |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:35 - Oct 9 with 2384 views | captainmycaptian |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 09:11 - Oct 9 by Hooparoo |
Clive, you deserve a medal to keep turning up week after week and not only watching this crap but writing a report on it. Thank you for doing that but I must say as someone who has loved this club for 50+ years, I have never been more despondent about our future than I am now. I’ve got my two kids aged 8 and 10 to get the QPR bug which increasingly feels like child abuse.
I despair ☹️ |
This is it, how do I fight the pretty lights of the Premier [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 12:42]
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:36 - Oct 9 with 2375 views | johnhoop |
Does anyone else feel a slight twinge of guilt as they look at the message board hoping that Ainsworth is gone to give us some chance of survival but feeing bad that it's come to us needing to do it to such a decent bloke and wishing that Amit had never decided to “scratch his itch“ by appointing him in the first place. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:51 - Oct 9 with 2307 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:36 - Oct 9 by johnhoop |
Does anyone else feel a slight twinge of guilt as they look at the message board hoping that Ainsworth is gone to give us some chance of survival but feeing bad that it's come to us needing to do it to such a decent bloke and wishing that Amit had never decided to “scratch his itch“ by appointing him in the first place. |
A bit, but I said even from before appointing him that this would happen. I didn't, however, think it would be quite this bad. | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:52 - Oct 9 with 2306 views | Northernr |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:36 - Oct 9 by johnhoop |
Does anyone else feel a slight twinge of guilt as they look at the message board hoping that Ainsworth is gone to give us some chance of survival but feeing bad that it's come to us needing to do it to such a decent bloke and wishing that Amit had never decided to “scratch his itch“ by appointing him in the first place. |
This was one of the reasons I've been very wary of appointing him for the last ten years. We eat our young here. Could you stand it if a qpr crowd turned on Gareth Ainsworth? Well, we're just about there now. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 13:18 - Oct 9 with 2205 views | johnhoop |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:52 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
This was one of the reasons I've been very wary of appointing him for the last ten years. We eat our young here. Could you stand it if a qpr crowd turned on Gareth Ainsworth? Well, we're just about there now. |
I think with any other manager there’s a strong chance they’d have been chanting “You don’t know what you’re doing” by the end of Saturday’s game but probably refrained from doing so because it was Gareth. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 13:56 - Oct 9 with 2037 views | Bakes |
A great report, I was sat at the game wondering what this article would say and it didn’t disappoint.
Due to moving and a new job I had to give up my season ticket that I’ve held since 2007, I’ve gone to a few games this season, in those this games I’ve seen us lose 4-0 at Watford, lose 0-1 to Ipswich, lose 3-1 at Sunderland and 0-4 on Saturday, that’s 12 goals conceded and one goal scored, I took my son to Watford away and Sunderland away and he refused to come on Saturday, I asked my nephew to come along and he refused in the end I dragged a mate along and he walked out at 0-3.
There was a family of 4 infront of me and they left at 0-3 when their young son was crying that he wants to go home.
The point I’m trying to make is, apart from the die hard 500-700 home and away fans and the approx 8k ST holders, the club is losing the “causal” ,“pick and choosers” and I don’t think they will be rushing back if we’re in league 1.
The club needs to take this international break and read the room, this can’t continue.
How our “ Chairman “ who is apparently a huge QPR fan can think to himself that posting a selfie with KP is a good idea at the moment is beyond me, when I got home on Saturday night I put my phone on airplane mode to stop the micky taking WhatsApp’s from my Chelsea and Fulham supporting mates. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 14:02 - Oct 9 with 1995 views | daveB |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:52 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
This was one of the reasons I've been very wary of appointing him for the last ten years. We eat our young here. Could you stand it if a qpr crowd turned on Gareth Ainsworth? Well, we're just about there now. |
He's got away quite lightly to be honest. He's in a similar boat to Gary Waddock, fans will always love him as a player but just didn't work out as manager.
Been a long time since crowd properly turned on a manager and wanted him gone in the stadium. Chris Ramsey got more stick in a game we won 3-0.
Even McClaren and Critchley although was obvious they were at the end they didn't get much stick from crowd was more on social media
Thats part of why i think they need to pull the trigger now because it could get very ugly next time this happens | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 14:03 - Oct 9 with 1983 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 09:01 - Oct 9 by stevec |
Think GA will be here for the duration.
The owners must have sussed the only chance of selling this club is in a relatively FFP free environment, that is, League One.
Think they see GA as the man to take us there with the minimum of fuss. ‘One of our own’ and all that stuff.
Hope Amit had a lovely week at the golf. |
To extrapolate, I don't think it's paranoiac/conspiracy thinking (although I suppose it is) that our 'managed decline', which has clearly been systemic and entrenched over a long period, now involves a specific relegation brief from the top. Considering all the money that's been spunked on hiring and firing management teams and employing injured/traumatised/piss-taking players, the company line that we're virtually insolvent and there's nothing left to fulfil minimum recruitment requirements by, sorry, SIGNING A F*CKING STRIKER (about which Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast has been tearing his hair for longer than is good for anyone's follicular health) is wearing thinner than an anorexic's hip. Perhaps Clive's grim/half-serious observation that, versus Blackburn, it looked like the team was deliberately f*cking itself is the most plausible hypothesis out there. (Or, I suppose, we might be both corrupt and sh*t at the same time!) [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 14:12]
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