| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 00:29 - Sep 11 with 2544 views | BucksRanger |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 23:42 - Sep 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I haven't read or listened to all of this yet but the main thing I got so far is that Warburton doesn't seem as excited to be QPR manager as he was last season.
Reading some of the fan responses, neither are we excited about the season ahead.
Other than that I agree with Brian the reaction to the Plymouth loss was more than a little excessive.
Who did Plymouth get in the 2nd round anyway? I haven't checked. Northampton? [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 23:43]
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Home to Leyton Orient.
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 01:56 - Sep 11 with 2523 views | Jigsore |
Clive i'm considering paying for the audio just to hear how Warburton took you to task for that little joke haha
i'm trying to work out if Warburton's demeanour was so spiky when he was at, say, Forest. i absolutely understand his points about fan abuse, espescially the stuff Lumley got. but i'm just interested to know if he always defends his players to the hilt or the younger fragile nature of our team has changed his press approach too.
from the little cursory research i've done so far his Forest team were considerably older and more disparate. anyone know if he employed any similarly heated interview lines there? [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 2:23]
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 08:36 - Sep 11 with 2433 views | nix |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 01:56 - Sep 11 by Jigsore |
Clive i'm considering paying for the audio just to hear how Warburton took you to task for that little joke haha
i'm trying to work out if Warburton's demeanour was so spiky when he was at, say, Forest. i absolutely understand his points about fan abuse, espescially the stuff Lumley got. but i'm just interested to know if he always defends his players to the hilt or the younger fragile nature of our team has changed his press approach too.
from the little cursory research i've done so far his Forest team were considerably older and more disparate. anyone know if he employed any similarly heated interview lines there? [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 2:23]
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'Speaking exclusively to the Guardian, the Queens Park Rangers manager said: “I was really angry about how it came about. We were set targets and achieved every one. The size of the squad was down, the average age was down'
I wonder if this is a bit of a clue. His comments about his time at Forest when he was sacked. He may feel a bit concerned about history repeating itself. He's doing very similar here and may be hacked off at coming under pressure, largely from the Twitterati. He knows that our management are influenced by the fans in terms of sackings.
I really can't believe that they're turning against him and we haven't even struck a ball yet in the league, finished in one of our best places for a few years last season, definitely played some of our best and most entertaining football in years and blooded a load of young players. We do have a lot of delusional fans, and at least one delusional owner, so I understand his tetchiness a bit. |  | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 09:08 - Sep 11 with 2411 views | WestbourneR |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 23:42 - Sep 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I haven't read or listened to all of this yet but the main thing I got so far is that Warburton doesn't seem as excited to be QPR manager as he was last season.
Reading some of the fan responses, neither are we excited about the season ahead.
Other than that I agree with Brian the reaction to the Plymouth loss was more than a little excessive.
Who did Plymouth get in the 2nd round anyway? I haven't checked. Northampton? [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 23:43]
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I've got to say this true, it sounds like it's grinding him down. [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 9:09]
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 09:24 - Sep 11 with 2391 views | nadera78 |
One of the reasons I don't often listen to Warburton's interviews is that he regularly comes across as if doing them is beneath him, and that anyone asking him questions knows nothing about football. The former is part of the job and he should be used to it by now. The latter may well be true but it's not a great look. He's not someone it feels easy to like, on a personal level.
That said, anyone who thinks getting rid of him will a) bring in a better manager, b) see us playing better football, c) see us winning more games, is quite frankly, delusional. We played some fantastic attacking football last season, which we haven't seen in years. Yes, it's true, we also can't defend for toffee but then we haven't been able to do that for years either.
It is what it is, folks. Enjoy the good bits and take the rest of it with good grace. |  | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:04 - Sep 11 with 2343 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 23:42 - Sep 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I haven't read or listened to all of this yet but the main thing I got so far is that Warburton doesn't seem as excited to be QPR manager as he was last season.
Reading some of the fan responses, neither are we excited about the season ahead.
Other than that I agree with Brian the reaction to the Plymouth loss was more than a little excessive.
Who did Plymouth get in the 2nd round anyway? I haven't checked. Northampton? [Post edited 10 Sep 2020 23:43]
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I think it's tough for anyone to be excited about possible a whole season without crowds. Tomorrow is the first day of the season, normally I'd be so excited and happy to be going back, but it's barely registered with me. I don't blame the players or staff for feeling similar. It's not the same. |  |
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 11:38 - Sep 11 with 2237 views | BklynRanger |
Great interview and a good choice of questions. As others have said I do appreciate him being straight about things - that 'Don't be an arse' line was hilarious I thought.
I actually wondered if you'd caught him on a bad day Clive - he really did seem to have the hump. Was he wound up about the rumours of pre-contract agreements? (understandable) Is his knee pissing him off? Is the wife working from home? Who knows.
The idea of being positive about everything just isn't realistic though and I do have mixed feelings about the constant wage comparisons, e.g. with Tom Cairney. It's an important factor that we can't ignore, and I've no doubt some of the social media stuff he's read is ludicrous, but I felt he used it just a bit too much.
Being on a fraction of another player's wages can't be seen as a reason to have diminished expectations of how he'll perform against him. Fcuk knows we've had plenty of overpaid oafs in recent years that younger, hungrier opposition have embarrassed.
OK there will be times when quality shines through but it just doesn't sound quite determined enough to me to keep going back to wage comparisons - has hints of the Rednapp comment :"Football's easy when you've got good players ' - nowhere near as bad but has for me a flavour of it. |  | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 12:13 - Sep 11 with 2209 views | Dixie_CT |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 09:24 - Sep 11 by nadera78 |
One of the reasons I don't often listen to Warburton's interviews is that he regularly comes across as if doing them is beneath him, and that anyone asking him questions knows nothing about football. The former is part of the job and he should be used to it by now. The latter may well be true but it's not a great look. He's not someone it feels easy to like, on a personal level.
That said, anyone who thinks getting rid of him will a) bring in a better manager, b) see us playing better football, c) see us winning more games, is quite frankly, delusional. We played some fantastic attacking football last season, which we haven't seen in years. Yes, it's true, we also can't defend for toffee but then we haven't been able to do that for years either.
It is what it is, folks. Enjoy the good bits and take the rest of it with good grace. |
This is bang on the money for me and a lot more concise than my points! |  | | |
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 12:37 - Sep 11 with 2181 views | Northernr |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 11:38 - Sep 11 by BklynRanger |
Great interview and a good choice of questions. As others have said I do appreciate him being straight about things - that 'Don't be an arse' line was hilarious I thought.
I actually wondered if you'd caught him on a bad day Clive - he really did seem to have the hump. Was he wound up about the rumours of pre-contract agreements? (understandable) Is his knee pissing him off? Is the wife working from home? Who knows.
The idea of being positive about everything just isn't realistic though and I do have mixed feelings about the constant wage comparisons, e.g. with Tom Cairney. It's an important factor that we can't ignore, and I've no doubt some of the social media stuff he's read is ludicrous, but I felt he used it just a bit too much.
Being on a fraction of another player's wages can't be seen as a reason to have diminished expectations of how he'll perform against him. Fcuk knows we've had plenty of overpaid oafs in recent years that younger, hungrier opposition have embarrassed.
OK there will be times when quality shines through but it just doesn't sound quite determined enough to me to keep going back to wage comparisons - has hints of the Rednapp comment :"Football's easy when you've got good players ' - nowhere near as bad but has for me a flavour of it. |
I think it's a combination of a few things mate.
- I think he's in quite a deal of pain. His knee looks like a fcking American Football - same size, colour and stitching scar down the middle of it. Must be so incredibly sore. You don't need some smartarsd prck who's never coached a training session in his entire life making wise cracks about overdrafts when you've given an hour of your time, you're busy, and you're in a deal of pain.
- Stressful job and probably the most stressful time of the year.
- I've been told by a couple of people at the club that I'm not his favourite. Read a few bits of mine that he didn't like at all, particularly the report on Cardiff away last year for example.
- Frustration that a lot of the online and social media comment and criticism either doesn't appreciate or simply ignores the restrictions he's working under. You've got people setting themselves up as serious voices on QPR and looking for careers in football and business who genuinely think it's a bad thing we weren't in for Lyle Taylor or Steven Fletcher, in their 30s and both now on £30k a week. Forest are paying Grabban £45k a week, and have taken Freeman on loan paying 100% of his Sheff UTd Premier League salary, we lose to them tomorrow watch the reaction.
- Takes the job incredibly seriously. Absolutely zero sense of humour, on or off mic, when discussing football. Serious business. Whereas I'm always likely to throw a few jokes or softbally things into an interview just to try and build a rapport or allow the conversation to flow.
- Fiercely protective of certain players.
- But, also, doesn't seem to take criticism overly well.
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 13:11 - Sep 11 with 2123 views | GloryHunter |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 11:38 - Sep 11 by BklynRanger |
Great interview and a good choice of questions. As others have said I do appreciate him being straight about things - that 'Don't be an arse' line was hilarious I thought.
I actually wondered if you'd caught him on a bad day Clive - he really did seem to have the hump. Was he wound up about the rumours of pre-contract agreements? (understandable) Is his knee pissing him off? Is the wife working from home? Who knows.
The idea of being positive about everything just isn't realistic though and I do have mixed feelings about the constant wage comparisons, e.g. with Tom Cairney. It's an important factor that we can't ignore, and I've no doubt some of the social media stuff he's read is ludicrous, but I felt he used it just a bit too much.
Being on a fraction of another player's wages can't be seen as a reason to have diminished expectations of how he'll perform against him. Fcuk knows we've had plenty of overpaid oafs in recent years that younger, hungrier opposition have embarrassed.
OK there will be times when quality shines through but it just doesn't sound quite determined enough to me to keep going back to wage comparisons - has hints of the Rednapp comment :"Football's easy when you've got good players ' - nowhere near as bad but has for me a flavour of it. |
Pre-contract agreements - what's that all about, then? |  | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 13:30 - Sep 11 with 2086 views | BklynRanger |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 12:37 - Sep 11 by Northernr |
I think it's a combination of a few things mate.
- I think he's in quite a deal of pain. His knee looks like a fcking American Football - same size, colour and stitching scar down the middle of it. Must be so incredibly sore. You don't need some smartarsd prck who's never coached a training session in his entire life making wise cracks about overdrafts when you've given an hour of your time, you're busy, and you're in a deal of pain.
- Stressful job and probably the most stressful time of the year.
- I've been told by a couple of people at the club that I'm not his favourite. Read a few bits of mine that he didn't like at all, particularly the report on Cardiff away last year for example.
- Frustration that a lot of the online and social media comment and criticism either doesn't appreciate or simply ignores the restrictions he's working under. You've got people setting themselves up as serious voices on QPR and looking for careers in football and business who genuinely think it's a bad thing we weren't in for Lyle Taylor or Steven Fletcher, in their 30s and both now on £30k a week. Forest are paying Grabban £45k a week, and have taken Freeman on loan paying 100% of his Sheff UTd Premier League salary, we lose to them tomorrow watch the reaction.
- Takes the job incredibly seriously. Absolutely zero sense of humour, on or off mic, when discussing football. Serious business. Whereas I'm always likely to throw a few jokes or softbally things into an interview just to try and build a rapport or allow the conversation to flow.
- Fiercely protective of certain players.
- But, also, doesn't seem to take criticism overly well.
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Great bit of insight, cheers. Might have a re-read of that Cardiff report through a Warbs Warbington lens, just for Friday afternoon kicks. [Post edited 11 Sep 2020 13:32]
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:33 - Sep 11 with 2018 views | Myke |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 12:37 - Sep 11 by Northernr |
I think it's a combination of a few things mate.
- I think he's in quite a deal of pain. His knee looks like a fcking American Football - same size, colour and stitching scar down the middle of it. Must be so incredibly sore. You don't need some smartarsd prck who's never coached a training session in his entire life making wise cracks about overdrafts when you've given an hour of your time, you're busy, and you're in a deal of pain.
- Stressful job and probably the most stressful time of the year.
- I've been told by a couple of people at the club that I'm not his favourite. Read a few bits of mine that he didn't like at all, particularly the report on Cardiff away last year for example.
- Frustration that a lot of the online and social media comment and criticism either doesn't appreciate or simply ignores the restrictions he's working under. You've got people setting themselves up as serious voices on QPR and looking for careers in football and business who genuinely think it's a bad thing we weren't in for Lyle Taylor or Steven Fletcher, in their 30s and both now on £30k a week. Forest are paying Grabban £45k a week, and have taken Freeman on loan paying 100% of his Sheff UTd Premier League salary, we lose to them tomorrow watch the reaction.
- Takes the job incredibly seriously. Absolutely zero sense of humour, on or off mic, when discussing football. Serious business. Whereas I'm always likely to throw a few jokes or softbally things into an interview just to try and build a rapport or allow the conversation to flow.
- Fiercely protective of certain players.
- But, also, doesn't seem to take criticism overly well.
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I actually like him more after reading these comments Clive , which in no way is intended as a criticism of you. But I like the way he answers all questions seriously and is not afraid to stick up for what he sees is right. I'm like you and would try to introduce a bit of levity into the proceedings but you can't knock a man for no sense of humour- that's the least of our concerns. It must be a bit ch trying to work in that much pain. I can only imagine he doesn't like your reviews because of your candour and I implore you again not to dilute your work for fear of upsetting the hierarchy. It is this candour coupled with your writing skills that make the site stand out from all the rest | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:35 - Sep 11 with 2011 views | Northernr |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:33 - Sep 11 by Myke |
I actually like him more after reading these comments Clive , which in no way is intended as a criticism of you. But I like the way he answers all questions seriously and is not afraid to stick up for what he sees is right. I'm like you and would try to introduce a bit of levity into the proceedings but you can't knock a man for no sense of humour- that's the least of our concerns. It must be a bit ch trying to work in that much pain. I can only imagine he doesn't like your reviews because of your candour and I implore you again not to dilute your work for fear of upsetting the hierarchy. It is this candour coupled with your writing skills that make the site stand out from all the rest |
Completely agree Myke. I'll certainly take it over McClaren's media-trained banality, and I said as much to him after the recording. | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 09:40 - Sep 12 with 1848 views | R_from_afar |
I found the section about practising our defending reasonably reassuring. Mind you, there is a big difference between practising something and mastering it and then doing it effectively in the heat of battle.
Here's hoping we can up our defending, as a team. It's not just about the defenders. |  |
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:23 - Sep 12 with 1808 views | DavieQPR |
Why does anybody ever have an account on Twitter let alone read it? As Ricky Gervais said 'It is like reading a toilet wall'. |  | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:28 - Sep 12 with 1803 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:35 - Sep 11 by Northernr |
Completely agree Myke. I'll certainly take it over McClaren's media-trained banality, and I said as much to him after the recording. |
I thought the whole thing was great Clive. The way you got Warbs to have a few sly digs at you so that it looks like you're not in the club's pocket, and an obvious mouthpiece for the club, was brilliant. Well done ;) | |
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:33 - Sep 12 with 1794 views | Northernr |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:28 - Sep 12 by Antti_Heinola |
I thought the whole thing was great Clive. The way you got Warbs to have a few sly digs at you so that it looks like you're not in the club's pocket, and an obvious mouthpiece for the club, was brilliant. Well done ;) |
Well yes, one in the eye for that bullsht conspiracy theory at least. | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 11:35 - Sep 12 with 1724 views | GloryHunter |
I've listened to it now, as well as read it. You did well to stick to your script, Clive, and not melt when he said you were disrespectful. You were actually in a room with him, right? And Paul Morrisey was there as his minder?
I think Warbs is great, and quite right to be defensive against unjustified criticism. If he had to sit in the Upper Loft with me, he'd have to spend the whole game telling the moaning family group behind me that they know nothing about football, because it's true.
I also think he is not entirely without humour. There were a few little chuckles here and there. | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:49 - Sep 13 with 1598 views | francisbowles |
Bit of a fib there about Manning? | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:57 - Sep 13 with 1591 views | danehoop |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 10:49 - Sep 13 by francisbowles |
Bit of a fib there about Manning? |
I agree, but if you pick up the subtext at the end of the interview which followed from that question, you could actually infer quite a lot in his talking about the importance of squad, working together and unity. Maybe a message about Manning there, which would be consistent with playing those who want to be here. |  |
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:23 - Sep 13 with 1454 views | gigiisourgod |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 12:37 - Sep 11 by Northernr |
I think it's a combination of a few things mate.
- I think he's in quite a deal of pain. His knee looks like a fcking American Football - same size, colour and stitching scar down the middle of it. Must be so incredibly sore. You don't need some smartarsd prck who's never coached a training session in his entire life making wise cracks about overdrafts when you've given an hour of your time, you're busy, and you're in a deal of pain.
- Stressful job and probably the most stressful time of the year.
- I've been told by a couple of people at the club that I'm not his favourite. Read a few bits of mine that he didn't like at all, particularly the report on Cardiff away last year for example.
- Frustration that a lot of the online and social media comment and criticism either doesn't appreciate or simply ignores the restrictions he's working under. You've got people setting themselves up as serious voices on QPR and looking for careers in football and business who genuinely think it's a bad thing we weren't in for Lyle Taylor or Steven Fletcher, in their 30s and both now on £30k a week. Forest are paying Grabban £45k a week, and have taken Freeman on loan paying 100% of his Sheff UTd Premier League salary, we lose to them tomorrow watch the reaction.
- Takes the job incredibly seriously. Absolutely zero sense of humour, on or off mic, when discussing football. Serious business. Whereas I'm always likely to throw a few jokes or softbally things into an interview just to try and build a rapport or allow the conversation to flow.
- Fiercely protective of certain players.
- But, also, doesn't seem to take criticism overly well.
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Think that’s incredibly harsh on yourself, you did absolutely nothing wrong in that interview. Just tried to lighten the tone. If he has an issue with some of your reports it suggests to me he has blinkered vision because your writing is always fair, very well researched, incredibly insightful and never excessive or disrespectful.
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 18:08 - Sep 16 with 1258 views | PinnerPaul |
Just got round to this - excellent interview.
1 best bit from MW and 1 worse - bad first 'Had to find a bike from somewhere' - that was a bit pathetic, footballers not usually known for being the brightest and having everything done for them, but surely buying/borrowing a bike shouldn't have been TOO difficult!
Best bit was his detail on how post lockdown prep and analysis was different from pre and well done Clive for persisting with that line to get the specifics from him.
Very informative interview and for those who have been a bit sensitive to criticism of the criticism, when someone writes/posts that Luke Amos wouldn't get in his pub team, then clearly he IS going to bite over that sort of cooment. [Post edited 16 Sep 2020 18:30]
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| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 18:12 - Sep 16 with 1252 views | PinnerPaul |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 11:37 - Sep 9 by ingeminate |
Just listened to it now. When you mentioned the overdraft I winced😂😂 fair play for not making a meal about it. I’m more than capable of saying the same thing but would have then tied myself in knots ham fistedly apologising.
One take from a great interview was that he could afford to be a little less adversarial. It’s reasonable to raise the defence when the set up for set pieces is consistently poor. Plus I get he wants to protect players, but spitting the dummy out over the word mixed was off. Mixed is about as polite a way a journo could describe our goalies last year without descending in to Trump Fox News territory.
Still awesome interview and nice to have a manager who doesn’t retreat behind platitudes. |
To be fair I think on the defence he was most annoyed about the 'Don't you do any work with the defence?' accusations, which are clearly non sensical. | | | |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 18:19 - Sep 16 with 1238 views | PinnerPaul |
| Warbs talks lockdown form, signings, contracts and defence — Interview on 16:15 - Sep 9 by DieByYourSide |
As others have said, very forthright and interesting interview. Appreciate the rigour of the questioning and MWs openness in answering but he did sound pretty tetchy. Could well be that he's feeling the pressure over where the goals are gonna come from this year if there's not much improvement at the back.
As much as there's been quite a bit of harping on about what an amazing job he did off the back of that enjoyable WBA game, memories are short... |
But the season isn't - 46 games long, we didn't finish 13th by 'just' drawing with WBA! | | | |
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