| Coronavirus 10:39 - Mar 4 with 85224 views | electricblue |
With the spread of this illness what are the chances of games getting called postponed and the season not being completed.....
What would the financial knock on effect be to lower league clubs..... |  |
| My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds |
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| Coronavirus on 10:46 - Mar 19 with 2564 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 10:10 - Mar 19 by pioneer |
I thought that the behaviour change unit headed by David Halpern and very influential with No 10 since the Blur government was supposed to know how to make people do as governments wanted them to.
Effective public health policy is based on the recognition that you cannot rely on individual behaviour change. |
The Behaviour Insights Team has no specific remit to change people's behaviour, rather to offer insights into how and why people change their behaviour
It was formed in 2010, well after Blair left office |  |
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| Coronavirus on 10:55 - Mar 19 with 2544 views | judd |
| Coronavirus on 20:03 - Mar 18 by MoonyDale |
Thanks TS, my 2 Daughters will bring me anything I need and drop it at the door...Your kindness is much appreciated and warms the heart....Thank God there are good people out there, off to sleep for me and see what tomorrow brings.... |
Get well soon, MD. I will get some pallets to you when you are recovered. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 11:03 - Mar 19 with 2529 views | nordenblue |
| Coronavirus on 10:55 - Mar 19 by judd |
Get well soon, MD. I will get some pallets to you when you are recovered. |
Let me know if/when you need a van Judd,happy to help move them  |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 11:25 - Mar 19 with 2496 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 16:08 - Mar 18 by kiwidale |
Im amazed D_A how many Covid19 experts like your good self are on this thread Rochdale must be the epicenter of research. |
Epicentre relates to earthquakes. Seems to be an in-word in the media. Like lockdown. Like “like” I suppose! | | | |
| Coronavirus on 11:28 - Mar 19 with 2492 views | Nigeriamark |
| Coronavirus on 18:22 - Mar 18 by kiwidale |
" In February 2020 Favipiravir was being studied in China for experimental treatment of the emergent COVID-19 (novel coronavirus) disease.[1][2] On March 17 it was found to be effective in treating the infection in two trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen."
What a coincidence... uncanny |
where's the coincidence.
They have a virus in December/January that Favipiravir might work on so of course they will start to test it in February and in the region where the virus actually started. Where else would they use it, in healthy people? |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 11:39 - Mar 19 with 2481 views | AtThePeake |
| Coronavirus on 11:28 - Mar 19 by Nigeriamark |
where's the coincidence.
They have a virus in December/January that Favipiravir might work on so of course they will start to test it in February and in the region where the virus actually started. Where else would they use it, in healthy people? |
Stop applying basic logic! |  |
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| Coronavirus on 11:44 - Mar 19 with 2466 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 11:28 - Mar 19 by Nigeriamark |
where's the coincidence.
They have a virus in December/January that Favipiravir might work on so of course they will start to test it in February and in the region where the virus actually started. Where else would they use it, in healthy people? |
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| Coronavirus on 14:09 - Mar 19 with 2320 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 11:25 - Mar 19 by jonesy |
Epicentre relates to earthquakes. Seems to be an in-word in the media. Like lockdown. Like “like” I suppose! |
The epicentre of this messageboard is Rochdale, with enough of us old farts to register on the Richter Scale | |
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| Coronavirus on 16:14 - Mar 19 with 2219 views | jonesy |
It strikes me that shutting down schools and letting the kids out is a bit like releasing a swarm of mosquitoes in an area suffering from malaria!
Also I am unsure who is a key worker. I can imagine all the self-important nonentities coming out of the woodwork. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 18:00 - Mar 19 with 2111 views | blackdogblue |
Just watched BJ in his press conference, at the end he pretty much said & you lot can Fook off somewhere else & we will have to do this a different way... van loads of stuff delivered today..
Priceless 🤨
On a serious note though, his Mrs is pregnant so as a person not a Prime Monister, fair play to the guy thinking of his family 👠|  |
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| Coronavirus on 18:05 - Mar 19 with 2096 views | richfoad32 |
| Coronavirus on 16:14 - Mar 19 by jonesy |
It strikes me that shutting down schools and letting the kids out is a bit like releasing a swarm of mosquitoes in an area suffering from malaria!
Also I am unsure who is a key worker. I can imagine all the self-important nonentities coming out of the woodwork. |
I'm a postman and my manager was today saying it was possible we would me mooted as key workers. He didn't elaborate and to be honest I had no idea what he was on about.
Having just googled it, I'm a bit embarassed. I hardly think getting old dears their pizza leaflets can be considered essential service. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 18:09 - Mar 19 with 2090 views | BigDaveMyCock |
I’ve stayed well clear of the ‘politics’ of how the government has handled this so far but I’ve just heard Boris referring to the ‘enemy being invisible’, ‘sending the virus packing’ and ‘turning the tide’. If he’s going to do this faux Churchill thing though I think people will become increasingly more critical. It’s not the Second World War. I think people want to see informed decisive action re the virus, not vacuous nationalistic platitudes.
He increasingly looks like someone who’s rhetoric doesn’t match his actions. He very much comes across as someone who is not proactive in making big decisions and is deflecting the fact that he’s being overtaken by events with increasingly empty rhetoric.
Still, never underestimate the appeal of vacuous nationalistic platitudes. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 18:21]
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| Coronavirus on 18:58 - Mar 19 with 2009 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Coronavirus on 18:09 - Mar 19 by BigDaveMyCock |
I’ve stayed well clear of the ‘politics’ of how the government has handled this so far but I’ve just heard Boris referring to the ‘enemy being invisible’, ‘sending the virus packing’ and ‘turning the tide’. If he’s going to do this faux Churchill thing though I think people will become increasingly more critical. It’s not the Second World War. I think people want to see informed decisive action re the virus, not vacuous nationalistic platitudes.
He increasingly looks like someone who’s rhetoric doesn’t match his actions. He very much comes across as someone who is not proactive in making big decisions and is deflecting the fact that he’s being overtaken by events with increasingly empty rhetoric.
Still, never underestimate the appeal of vacuous nationalistic platitudes. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 18:21]
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Got to admit I am surprised you have kept out of the political side so far BDM and tbf I do agree largely with your post, our new leader seems somewhat unsure which way to turn, but to counter that, I don’t think any decision by any leader, will be 100% right, and I think boris is in the same position as everyone else.
Churchill was an amazing wartime leader but not a great politician outside of conflict, Boris will have all the advice from experts to hand, and maybe it’s just a we really don’t know yet situation.
Hardly any country has acted in exactly the same way, and, whilst Austria may have limited cases, due to (what would be described as draconian and against the working man if Boris did it) their approach it will still hit them, be it now or next winter in a nastier form.
Overall I agree bigdave, but regardless who was in charge, it’s the behaviour of some “people” that won’t, can’t or are too bloody thick to listen that annoys me most. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 18:58 - Mar 19 with 2008 views | pioneer |
| Coronavirus on 10:46 - Mar 19 by D_Alien |
The Behaviour Insights Team has no specific remit to change people's behaviour, rather to offer insights into how and why people change their behaviour
It was formed in 2010, well after Blair left office |
Halpern worked as chief analyst in Tony Blairs stategy unit between 2001 and 2007 . The behavioural change thinking in No 10 did not start with the behavioural insights team formation under the coalition government. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 19:04 - Mar 19 with 1991 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 18:58 - Mar 19 by pioneer |
Halpern worked as chief analyst in Tony Blairs stategy unit between 2001 and 2007 . The behavioural change thinking in No 10 did not start with the behavioural insights team formation under the coalition government. |
Good to see you've accepted the correct role of the unit, as being advisory. All governments in developed countries have them, so not sure what your point is, other than you think they may be giving the wrong advice, an opinion to which you're entitled | |
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| Coronavirus on 19:10 - Mar 19 with 1979 views | smaclad1 |
| Coronavirus on 18:05 - Mar 19 by richfoad32 |
I'm a postman and my manager was today saying it was possible we would me mooted as key workers. He didn't elaborate and to be honest I had no idea what he was on about.
Having just googled it, I'm a bit embarassed. I hardly think getting old dears their pizza leaflets can be considered essential service. |
34 years I've … grafted and it's the first time I've ever been considered essential to the national wellbeing.
Don't put your job down rich, I've got two at home who get most of their many and varied NHS (and other) appointments confirmed by post - essential for them as email appointments seem to be beyond the NHS. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 19:34 - Mar 19 with 1934 views | James1980 |
Seen this idea on Facebook workable?
The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A
Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B
The general population / generally healthy can be group C
Group C needs to go about it’s business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work
Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C
Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A
Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS
Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community
Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C
As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle
With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.
Hope this helps those that are worried or not sure of the plan
Everyone has a job to do for the above to work | |
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| Coronavirus on 19:45 - Mar 19 with 1916 views | smaclad1 |
| Coronavirus on 19:34 - Mar 19 by James1980 |
Seen this idea on Facebook workable?
The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A
Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B
The general population / generally healthy can be group C
Group C needs to go about it’s business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work
Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C
Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A
Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS
Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community
Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C
As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle
With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.
Hope this helps those that are worried or not sure of the plan
Everyone has a job to do for the above to work |
Apologies James, but CBA came to mind half way thro'!
It started off well with my family being segregated. Then I got to the second line and realised I'd have to go with them. Spotted an immediate flaw there! | | | |
| Coronavirus on 19:47 - Mar 19 with 1912 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 19:34 - Mar 19 by James1980 |
Seen this idea on Facebook workable?
The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A
Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B
The general population / generally healthy can be group C
Group C needs to go about it’s business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work
Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C
Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A
Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS
Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community
Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C
As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle
With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.
Hope this helps those that are worried or not sure of the plan
Everyone has a job to do for the above to work |
This is probably neither the time nor the place, and the plan has much merit in principle, but who's going to be going round the supermarkets panic buying with everyone else so busy?
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| Coronavirus on 19:47 - Mar 19 with 1913 views | Dalenet |
| Coronavirus on 19:34 - Mar 19 by James1980 |
Seen this idea on Facebook workable?
The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A
Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B
The general population / generally healthy can be group C
Group C needs to go about it’s business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work
Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C
Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A
Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS
Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community
Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C
As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle
With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.
Hope this helps those that are worried or not sure of the plan
Everyone has a job to do for the above to work |
Yes read that too. Can we inject the C's with the virus to get them through it more quickly. Much fewer need help to get through so worth a risk. Hardly anybody left at work from next week anyway. Then we can get them back to work to save the nation.
ps - I am not in Group C  | | | |
| Coronavirus on 19:55 - Mar 19 with 1881 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 18:58 - Mar 19 by Thacks_Rabbits |
Got to admit I am surprised you have kept out of the political side so far BDM and tbf I do agree largely with your post, our new leader seems somewhat unsure which way to turn, but to counter that, I don’t think any decision by any leader, will be 100% right, and I think boris is in the same position as everyone else.
Churchill was an amazing wartime leader but not a great politician outside of conflict, Boris will have all the advice from experts to hand, and maybe it’s just a we really don’t know yet situation.
Hardly any country has acted in exactly the same way, and, whilst Austria may have limited cases, due to (what would be described as draconian and against the working man if Boris did it) their approach it will still hit them, be it now or next winter in a nastier form.
Overall I agree bigdave, but regardless who was in charge, it’s the behaviour of some “people” that won’t, can’t or are too bloody thick to listen that annoys me most. |
They annoy me too. We jumped from 104 to 144 deaths today. I don't know, we may have better scientists, a better health service or ………. When you see what has happened elsewhere in Europe though, I think we've been too lenient, especially in London. Sincerely hope I'm proved wrong, but that trend above is not our friend and smacks of an escalation about to get out of control. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. | |
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| Coronavirus on 20:09 - Mar 19 with 1857 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 19:55 - Mar 19 by DaleiLama |
They annoy me too. We jumped from 104 to 144 deaths today. I don't know, we may have better scientists, a better health service or ………. When you see what has happened elsewhere in Europe though, I think we've been too lenient, especially in London. Sincerely hope I'm proved wrong, but that trend above is not our friend and smacks of an escalation about to get out of control. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. |
tbf (and i fully realise we're talking about the death of loved ones here), but the rise in mortality is pretty much in line with what would be predicted; which would also lead to a continuing upward curve for a while yet (weeks). The "low" estimate is below 20,000 deaths by the time it's done. In stark terms, that could mean as many as 4-500 a day at the peak, i.e. x10 the current rate. It's important we're as psychologically prepared for this as humanly possible
Can only agree that behaviours will need to change much faster | |
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| Coronavirus on 23:42 - Mar 19 with 1711 views | pioneer |
| Coronavirus on 19:04 - Mar 19 by D_Alien |
Good to see you've accepted the correct role of the unit, as being advisory. All governments in developed countries have them, so not sure what your point is, other than you think they may be giving the wrong advice, an opinion to which you're entitled |
Where did I say their remit was to change behaviour?
Glad you are still policing this board and determining truth. We are so lucky to have you. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 23:48 - Mar 19 with 1702 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Coronavirus on 19:55 - Mar 19 by DaleiLama |
They annoy me too. We jumped from 104 to 144 deaths today. I don't know, we may have better scientists, a better health service or ………. When you see what has happened elsewhere in Europe though, I think we've been too lenient, especially in London. Sincerely hope I'm proved wrong, but that trend above is not our friend and smacks of an escalation about to get out of control. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. |
The trend is your friend, except at the end! | |
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| Coronavirus on 23:53 - Mar 19 with 1690 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 23:42 - Mar 19 by pioneer |
Where did I say their remit was to change behaviour?
Glad you are still policing this board and determining truth. We are so lucky to have you. |
I simply referred to your falsehood, in recasting the team as the Behaviour Change Unit, which gives it an Orwellian tone
And you're welcome | |
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