| Derby sack Keogh on 09:00 - Oct 31 with 2351 views | davman |
| Derby sack Keogh on 08:16 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
They've probably been able to do this (or think they're able to do this) because it will say in his contract words to the effect that he's not to do anything that renders him unable to train and play football, barring injuries sustained in the course of that naturally. He's done something that puts him out for 18 months, basically retiring him, whereas the other two are still fit and able to play.
As said above though, firstly I would think saying you can stay on reduced money and then when he refuses it suddenly deciding its gross misconduct won't look good at a tribunal. And secondly it's pretty transparent why the two who are young and could one day be sold for money are kept on and the crusty old cripple gets bombed out.
Morally bankrupt that club over the last few years. Trying every little twist and trick to work their way around rules. |
...and yet they told the world how disgusting Leeds were for "spying" on them, despite that only being "morally wrong rather than legally wrong.
They deserve nothing but the misery we've had over the last ten years.
It does make Zamora's winner feel even sweeter though, doesn't it? |  |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 09:15 - Oct 31 with 2302 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
They've probably been able to do this (or think they're able to do this) because it will say in his contract words to the effect that he's not to do anything that renders him unable to train and play football, barring injuries sustained in the course of that naturally. He's done something that puts him out for 18 months, basically retiring him, whereas the other two are still fit and able to play.
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Well yes, he was out on the lash but he was not driving the car so not sure how they could put the blame on him.
He should be suing Tom Lawrence, I doubt the driver's insurance will payout.
On the face of it, it looks like the club is playing dirty but I wonder if they have something else we don't know about on Keogh. [Post edited 31 Oct 2019 9:16]
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| Derby sack Keogh on 09:18 - Oct 31 with 2295 views | 100percent |
| Derby sack Keogh on 19:58 - Oct 30 by SimplyNico |
I agree that it would be a gross misconduct related dismissal. He will be able to sue whichever was driving for negligence (the driver likely will be uninsured, the insurer will pull cover). A bit of contributory negligence from Keoth. Nice bit of litigation! |
Surely there must be constructive dismissal in this case too? No consistency shown across the three people involved in the case? Difficult to charge one with gross misconduct and not the other two - especially taking into consideration he was a passenger rather than a drunk driver. Also the other two were arrested - more of an act of gross misconduct than being a passenger....?
I can't help thinking there must be more to this than what is presently being described..... |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 09:31 - Oct 31 with 2261 views | WokingR |
| Derby sack Keogh on 09:18 - Oct 31 by 100percent |
Surely there must be constructive dismissal in this case too? No consistency shown across the three people involved in the case? Difficult to charge one with gross misconduct and not the other two - especially taking into consideration he was a passenger rather than a drunk driver. Also the other two were arrested - more of an act of gross misconduct than being a passenger....?
I can't help thinking there must be more to this than what is presently being described..... |
Perhaps they have somehow found out that he has been on the QPR payroll all along.
He's one of our own
He's one of our own
Richard Keogh
He's one of our own. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:02 - Oct 31 with 2209 views | francisbowles |
| Derby sack Keogh on 09:31 - Oct 31 by WokingR |
Perhaps they have somehow found out that he has been on the QPR payroll all along.
He's one of our own
He's one of our own
Richard Keogh
He's one of our own. |
I think there is a constructive dismissal limit of approximately £100k. So that could be about a months wages for someone in his position.
If I am correct, Derby have done their sums and it is a very cheap option. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:04 - Oct 31 with 2201 views | Northernr |
| Derby sack Keogh on 09:15 - Oct 31 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
They've probably been able to do this (or think they're able to do this) because it will say in his contract words to the effect that he's not to do anything that renders him unable to train and play football, barring injuries sustained in the course of that naturally. He's done something that puts him out for 18 months, basically retiring him, whereas the other two are still fit and able to play.
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Well yes, he was out on the lash but he was not driving the car so not sure how they could put the blame on him.
He should be suing Tom Lawrence, I doubt the driver's insurance will payout.
On the face of it, it looks like the club is playing dirty but I wonder if they have something else we don't know about on Keogh. [Post edited 31 Oct 2019 9:16]
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Like I say, Keogh has behaved in a manner which means he can't play football for the next two seasons, the other two haven't - they're still fit and available. Not defending it, it's a crock of sht, I'm just trying to work out the legal and contractual way Derby think they're able to fire him and not the other two. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:13 - Oct 31 with 2158 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:04 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Like I say, Keogh has behaved in a manner which means he can't play football for the next two seasons, the other two haven't - they're still fit and available. Not defending it, it's a crock of sht, I'm just trying to work out the legal and contractual way Derby think they're able to fire him and not the other two. |
That's why I say they may have something on him, that little bag of something hmm
Other than that, I think they would lose if it went to tribunal/court.
Probably end up as some sort of pay off. | |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 10:14 - Oct 31 with 2161 views | daveB |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:04 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Like I say, Keogh has behaved in a manner which means he can't play football for the next two seasons, the other two haven't - they're still fit and available. Not defending it, it's a crock of sht, I'm just trying to work out the legal and contractual way Derby think they're able to fire him and not the other two. |
We also don't know the full details on what he did that night, he was club captain and supposed to set an example so he's not a completely innocent party.
I have sympathy for him but if it was the QPR captain pissed up involved in a car crash with two young players I'm not sure I'd be defending him |  | | |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 10:45 - Oct 31 with 2116 views | bosh67 |
The guy played 315 times for them. An incredible servant. Sacked for not accepting a pay cut on his current contract rather than as a result of his actions in the circumstances around the car crash. Sounds like he has a fairly cast iron case for constructive dismissal. I am not even sure if it is legal to sack someone on a contract for not accepting another one while the one he is under is still valid?
He did a bad thing. He has paid the price with his injury, the captaincy and I am sure a hefty fine. But to sack him for not accepting a replacement contract seems ethically wrong and certainly morally wrong.
I could have understood with his contract until 2020 that the club would come to an agreement to pay him up but to sack him seems disgusting. Not many players have remained as loyal as he has to his club.
But then again, as Clive said, Derby has been a morally corrupt club for years. Owners are scum bags and act like scum bags (allegedly) I know I have to add that. |  |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 10:57 - Oct 31 with 2095 views | paulparker |
Derby are the new Chelsea when it comes to morality and also it’s easy to hate them as each week goes by
In the words of Kevin keegan I would love it if they didn’t make the play offs this year |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Derby sack Keogh on 11:26 - Oct 31 with 2046 views | dannyblue |
Derby: We could sack you for gross misconduct, but if you like we'll give you a new reduced contract and help you with your rehabilitation.
Keogh: What!? Fúck off
Derby: OK, misconduct it is. We can't tolerate this type of behaviour that we are prepared to tolerate if it saves us a few quid on your wages or lets us keep saleable assets.
Keogh: Shit. But, but but...what about Lawrence and Bennet? They're the ones who broke the law and left me bleeding in a car unconscious.
Derby: Yeah, well, um, yeah, we can't discuss someone else's contractual situation, blah, tough titties. [Post edited 31 Oct 2019 11:33]
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| Derby sack Keogh on 11:30 - Oct 31 with 2038 views | GroveR |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:04 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
Like I say, Keogh has behaved in a manner which means he can't play football for the next two seasons, the other two haven't - they're still fit and available. Not defending it, it's a crock of sht, I'm just trying to work out the legal and contractual way Derby think they're able to fire him and not the other two. |
Derby are basing their defence on the legal principle that if you tell someone to fùck off firmly enough, they will. See their defence against Middlesbrough and the league for further details. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 12:17 - Oct 31 with 1953 views | Snipper |
I’d say that Keogh took legal advice before turning down the revised reduced contract.
If you terminate one players contract, you’ve got to terminate the contracts of all three.
Derby County have turned into a horrible club. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 12:28 - Oct 31 with 1926 views | Hayesender |
There were rumours at the time about other substances being found. Maybe they've got something else on him |  |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 12:53 - Oct 31 with 1887 views | wombat |
| Derby sack Keogh on 12:28 - Oct 31 by Hayesender |
There were rumours at the time about other substances being found. Maybe they've got something else on him |
look on the bright side , next years im a celeb will be a blast with him on there , |  |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 13:12 - Oct 31 with 1850 views | ManinBlack |
| Derby sack Keogh on 10:57 - Oct 31 by paulparker |
Derby are the new Chelsea when it comes to morality and also it’s easy to hate them as each week goes by
In the words of Kevin keegan I would love it if they didn’t make the play offs this year |
Were we not the morally corrupt football club when we beat them in the play off final or so people had you believe at that time where every neutral supposedly wanted Derby to win?
I think that accolade about morals has now passed the ball over to them and we are the good guys... |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 13:27 - Oct 31 with 1804 views | blacky200 |
The lawyers are going to get rich off this. Gross misconduct is a sackable offence in any workplace but Derby seem to have put themselves in a tricky situation by offering him a contract on reduced terms. I presume they wouldn't have sacked him if he had agreed to the reduction. It seems to me it only became gross misconduct after he refused to sign the contract in which case they are on very shaky ground.
Derby's statement clearly says "the club will not tolerate any of its players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings the club into disrepute," so this applies to all three players regardless of the outcome (2 can still play 1 injured and out for a long time). I've got not sympathy for him as he was clearly stupid to get into a car with a driver he must of known was over the limit but from a legal standpoint he must have a case against the club. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 13:33 - Oct 31 with 1790 views | Northernr |
The Athletic has just published a piece saying he's appealing and taking them to tribunal, and Derby are indeed going on the line that he's rendered himself unable to work whereas the other two didn't. | | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 13:36 - Oct 31 with 1776 views | blacky200 |
| Derby sack Keogh on 13:33 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
The Athletic has just published a piece saying he's appealing and taking them to tribunal, and Derby are indeed going on the line that he's rendered himself unable to work whereas the other two didn't. |
This is going to get messy. Oh well at least it'll keep us away from Brexit or the General Election  | | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 16:20 - Oct 31 with 1638 views | cardiffanimal |
cue a legal battle between micro penis Keough and DCAFC. | | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 16:31 - Oct 31 with 1613 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Derby sack Keogh on 19:35 - Oct 30 by runningman75 |
Can we invite him to Loftus Road for his player of the season award in 2014. |
Definitely a contender for the Forever Rs. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 16:40 - Oct 31 with 1591 views | bob566 |
| Derby sack Keogh on 13:33 - Oct 31 by Northernr |
The Athletic has just published a piece saying he's appealing and taking them to tribunal, and Derby are indeed going on the line that he's rendered himself unable to work whereas the other two didn't. |
if the other two had any morals they'd stand by Keogh and refuse to play for Derby county and seek employment elsewhere. Won't happen though. | | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 16:49 - Oct 31 with 1579 views | eastside_r |
Unfortunately you have to take the emotion out of this. Also the situation with the two other 'employees' is irrelevant. This is simply a matter of employment law and by his actions Keogh is unable to fulfil his contractual obligations (i.e. play) and his injury was not caused by an industrial accident i.e. playing or training.
It seems that Derby (because of his service record?) offered him a settlement - the reduced terms offer and he chose not to accept it, so they proceeded with the disciplinary action.
Pretty much all opinions covered here: https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/33669-keogh-sacked/ . Actually quite a good forum that one, whatever your views on DCFC. |  | | |
| Derby sack Keogh on 17:19 - Oct 31 with 1520 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Derby sack Keogh on 22:30 - Oct 30 by daveB |
i read elsewhere they were going to extend it by a year, neither side comes out of it well and I think Keogh is going to need serious help from the PFA, can see him have big problems in the next few years dealing with how his career has ended, we all laugh at the Zamora goal etc but blimey he's been through some tough times the last few years and you have to worry about his mental state after all these massive lows.
We don't know what happened on the night in question or what goes on behind the scenes though, a lot more to it imo than what has come out, they won't have done this lightly |
No, I don't know what happened, I was just wondering aloud. I'm staying out of this one as a result. |  |
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| Derby sack Keogh on 17:21 - Oct 31 with 1513 views | Northernr |
| Derby sack Keogh on 16:40 - Oct 31 by bob566 |
if the other two had any morals they'd stand by Keogh and refuse to play for Derby county and seek employment elsewhere. Won't happen though. |
Hmmm, morals doesn't seem to be a strong suit of either given that one used the death of his mum as an excuse and the other his three year old daughter. Maybe a 2 or a 3 for Morals on the Football Manager database. | | | |
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