| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 15:27 - Jun 14 with 5710 views | Phil_S |
When you say we haven't been invited it makes it sound like we have been shunned
We haven't been invited because our league finish was not good enough and therefore we effectively did not qualify for an invite. |  | |  |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 15:47 - Jun 14 with 5678 views | Cooperman |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 15:27 - Jun 14 by Phil_S |
When you say we haven't been invited it makes it sound like we have been shunned
We haven't been invited because our league finish was not good enough and therefore we effectively did not qualify for an invite. |
My thoughts too. If we don’t qualify on merit then so be it and that’s a completely different situation to having been shown the middle finger by the EFL. |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 08:01 - Jun 15 with 5399 views | jackrmee |
I thought it went on cat1 academy status? |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 08:50 - Jun 15 with 5320 views | Badlands |
A bit of a sleight to Swansea which has done OK in the competition.
'64 teams enter from Round One, including all 48 teams from League One and League Two, along with 16 category 1 Premier League and 1 EFL Championship academy/under-21 sides. '
Only Fulham outside the PL are included.
There is no under 21 League to take consideration of so it looks like they've gone PL and Fulham. |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 09:34 - Jun 15 with 5265 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 08:01 - Jun 15 by jackrmee |
I thought it went on cat1 academy status? |
The top 16 teams with Cat One status sorted by first team league finish. Usually a few don't accept the invite so the offer gets kicked further down the tables. But that wouldn't have helped much this year when Boro and Derby would have been eligible before us.
edit: And West Brom. [Post edited 15 Jun 2019 9:43]
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 09:38 - Jun 15 with 5257 views | SgorioFruit |
Just another step in the journey of the Swans spiralling down. |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 09:42 - Jun 15 with 5249 views | jasper_T |
If it was decided by u23s performance then despite our relegation season we'd have been in ahead of Southampton, Wolves, Newcastle, Man Utd, Fulham and Norwich, who have been playing in division 2 (Wolves and Southampton did get promoted, though).
Blackburn and Derby also have top division development sides who miss out due to first team placings. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 12:42 - Jun 15 with 5178 views | Phil_S |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 09:42 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
If it was decided by u23s performance then despite our relegation season we'd have been in ahead of Southampton, Wolves, Newcastle, Man Utd, Fulham and Norwich, who have been playing in division 2 (Wolves and Southampton did get promoted, though).
Blackburn and Derby also have top division development sides who miss out due to first team placings. |
We'd have been in if it was based on distance from Dublin
Simple fact is we aren't in because our league position dictated we shouldnt be. | | | |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 13:02 - Jun 15 with 5148 views | jasper_T |
Simple fact is that it's a shame and based on the merit of the sides that actually compete in it (not the first team) we deserve to be there more than many. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 13:32 - Jun 15 with 5111 views | Swanjaxs |
End of the day no U21sides should be in it, the League 1&2 sides and their supporters quite rightly regard it as an insult |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:13 - Jun 15 with 5062 views | Phil_S |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 13:02 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
Simple fact is that it's a shame and based on the merit of the sides that actually compete in it (not the first team) we deserve to be there more than many. |
No we don't | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:24 - Jun 15 with 5036 views | Swanjaxs |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 13:32 - Jun 15 by Swanjaxs |
End of the day no U21sides should be in it, the League 1&2 sides and their supporters quite rightly regard it as an insult |
... and instead of downarrowing me like a couple of weasels tell me why you think U21 sides should be allowed to denigrate a cup competition that has been going for many years now for the lower League sides? Swansea City supporters should appreciate this competition more than most by the way [Post edited 15 Jun 2019 14:26]
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:25 - Jun 15 with 5032 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:13 - Jun 15 by Phil_S |
No we don't |
You don't think our u23s side is better than those that have been competing a division lower for the last few seasons? We had a poor season but Norwich finished 11th in division 2.
Manchester United's team were relegated a season before us and have made no waves at the lower level. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 16:58 - Jun 15 with 4907 views | Badlands |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:25 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
You don't think our u23s side is better than those that have been competing a division lower for the last few seasons? We had a poor season but Norwich finished 11th in division 2.
Manchester United's team were relegated a season before us and have made no waves at the lower level. |
That was under 23s not under 21s. | |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:00 - Jun 15 with 4905 views | Kilkennyjack |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:24 - Jun 15 by Swanjaxs |
... and instead of downarrowing me like a couple of weasels tell me why you think U21 sides should be allowed to denigrate a cup competition that has been going for many years now for the lower League sides? Swansea City supporters should appreciate this competition more than most by the way [Post edited 15 Jun 2019 14:26]
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I agree.
Its disrespectful to the game - and simply reinforces that money trumps tradition.
I don't want to see Liverpools u23s play some of the traditional clubs, like O’s.
Play u23 vs u23 as much as you like, but no to this nonsense.
Find a different way to develop young players. |  |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:40 - Jun 15 with 4868 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 16:58 - Jun 15 by Badlands |
That was under 23s not under 21s. |
Functionally they're the same sides. Despite being u21s the competition rules allow more overage players than PL2 u23s, so there's no meaningful differences in selection except when teams play older reserve players, which is against the spirit of academy side involvement (which we did in the first year, with Tremmel, Mawson and Ki getting games iirc).
Always funny to hear lower league teams whinge about the competition being devalued when they've been putting out reserve teams and their own young players half the time anyway. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:46 - Jun 15 with 4855 views | Phil_S |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 14:25 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
You don't think our u23s side is better than those that have been competing a division lower for the last few seasons? We had a poor season but Norwich finished 11th in division 2.
Manchester United's team were relegated a season before us and have made no waves at the lower level. |
What has that got to do with the point being made?
Oh yeah, that's right - nothing | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:50 - Jun 15 with 4843 views | Swanjaxs |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:40 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
Functionally they're the same sides. Despite being u21s the competition rules allow more overage players than PL2 u23s, so there's no meaningful differences in selection except when teams play older reserve players, which is against the spirit of academy side involvement (which we did in the first year, with Tremmel, Mawson and Ki getting games iirc).
Always funny to hear lower league teams whinge about the competition being devalued when they've been putting out reserve teams and their own young players half the time anyway. |
Yes hilarious ain't it... just like every Premier league side puts out reserves/youngsters in the early round of the EFL and FA Cup ties, thing is see it's their prerogative... now go down arrow this 👠| |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:50 - Jun 15 with 4843 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:46 - Jun 15 by Phil_S |
What has that got to do with the point being made?
Oh yeah, that's right - nothing |
"based on the merit of the sides that actually compete in it (not the first team) we deserve to be there more than many."
"No we don't"
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:53 - Jun 15 with 4838 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:50 - Jun 15 by Swanjaxs |
Yes hilarious ain't it... just like every Premier league side puts out reserves/youngsters in the early round of the EFL and FA Cup ties, thing is see it's their prerogative... now go down arrow this 👠|
It's no longer their prerogative to be able to play weakened teams and expect to progress. Poor dabs.
The competition is better for academy involvement. The standard is higher and it aids player development. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:55 - Jun 15 with 4831 views | Swanjaxs |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:46 - Jun 15 by Phil_S |
What has that got to do with the point being made?
Oh yeah, that's right - nothing |
Mate your flogging a dead horse with this one, jt is incapable of putting his hand up and admitting he's making a tool of himself... 😂 | |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 18:00 - Jun 15 with 4818 views | jasper_T |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 17:55 - Jun 15 by Swanjaxs |
Mate your flogging a dead horse with this one, jt is incapable of putting his hand up and admitting he's making a tool of himself... 😂 |
Says the grown man (I'm assuming) having a tantrum about being downvoted. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 18:12 - Jun 15 with 4787 views | Swanjaxs |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 18:00 - Jun 15 by jasper_T |
Says the grown man (I'm assuming) having a tantrum about being downvoted. |
Downarrow all you want old man, just think it's a bit creepy/sly to vote with your little pinky without coming back with a reply... by the way did you use to post on scfc2 by any chance? Your posting style reminds me of a bit of a plank on there who's username escapes me | |
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| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 18:23 - Jun 15 with 4759 views | BillyChong |
No U23 sides should be invited to join the competition. We had a couple of nice days out in this competition, leave the lower clubs have their chance. A much better idea would be to invite some
Conference clubs again like they did some years back. | | | |
| No Checkatrade for the u21s on 18:31 - Jun 15 with 4745 views | bluey_the_blue |
Why would you be invited? Your u23 side is your first team squad isn't it? | | | |
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