| Staff issued with redundancy letters 18:53 - Mar 21 with 35674 views | Jackbustard |
Worrying news this evening that all staff at club issued with redundancy notices today.
Anyone else heard this. |  | | |  |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 10:47 - Mar 24 with 3547 views | jasper_T |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 08:28 - Mar 24 by 34dfgdf54 |
I’m sure Jasper can help with this one... |
I don't remember how the warning letter I received before I was made redundant was addressed, but maybe seeing "employee" is less immediately alarming than having your name up there in black and white. | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 14:31 - Mar 24 with 3359 views | Private_Partz |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 19:26 - Mar 23 by QJumpingJack |
Who signed off the redundancy letters. I assume there was a signature on the other side of the letter?
And why is it addressed "Dear Employee" - surely they could have written letters on a more personal level to each individual. |
Probably couldn't be assed to make it a personal letter.
It's a typical bosses dirty tricks letter. Put the sh!ts up everybody then you will say nothing when you see some other poor sod get the boot.
That paves the way for cuts in terms and conditions as 'it's only temporary to get us over a bad patch' and 'you should be grateful you have a job'.
Happening all over the Country as we speak. |  |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 12:37 - Mar 25 with 3149 views | Badlands |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 08:30 - Mar 24 by BillyChong |
Yeah right, every fan knows that we specifically need 16 managers at commercial level and 4 multi media officers. |
Neither did I, but instead of making up s**t I looked for the information. |  |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 12:51 - Mar 25 with 3126 views | valleyboy |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 14:31 - Mar 24 by Private_Partz |
Probably couldn't be assed to make it a personal letter.
It's a typical bosses dirty tricks letter. Put the sh!ts up everybody then you will say nothing when you see some other poor sod get the boot.
That paves the way for cuts in terms and conditions as 'it's only temporary to get us over a bad patch' and 'you should be grateful you have a job'.
Happening all over the Country as we speak. |
Does it really matter how a redundancy notice is written
If it was written as DearJohn oe Dear Employee. The same end result will happen
It’s not a nice time for everyone in a buisness of any kind and what I have seen. The quicker it’s over the better and everyone can move on including the people that’s been made redundant
The part to worry about, is this letter was sent to everyone other than the first team players, the manager and his coaching staff
Which means only one thing
The debt is not as small as some posters think it is | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 13:00 - Mar 25 with 3106 views | vetchonian |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 12:51 - Mar 25 by valleyboy |
Does it really matter how a redundancy notice is written
If it was written as DearJohn oe Dear Employee. The same end result will happen
It’s not a nice time for everyone in a buisness of any kind and what I have seen. The quicker it’s over the better and everyone can move on including the people that’s been made redundant
The part to worry about, is this letter was sent to everyone other than the first team players, the manager and his coaching staff
Which means only one thing
The debt is not as small as some posters think it is |
These redundancies have very little to do with the "so called debt" they are a result of the fact the income of the club has plummetted since relegation.
It is about cutting the costs to a manageable level in line with the income...so as not to incur debt....or worse run out of cash! | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 13:18 - Mar 25 with 3070 views | valleyboy |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 13:00 - Mar 25 by vetchonian |
These redundancies have very little to do with the "so called debt" they are a result of the fact the income of the club has plummetted since relegation.
It is about cutting the costs to a manageable level in line with the income...so as not to incur debt....or worse run out of cash! |
Are you living in the real world
You must be the only one that thinks that Swansea are not in debt
Why do you thing the end of year finacial Sheet hasn’t been published yet whereas the last two were published on the 28th February and the 4th of March respectively | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 13:51 - Mar 25 with 3024 views | vetchonian |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 13:18 - Mar 25 by valleyboy |
Are you living in the real world
You must be the only one that thinks that Swansea are not in debt
Why do you thing the end of year finacial Sheet hasn’t been published yet whereas the last two were published on the 28th February and the 4th of March respectively |
The redundunancies will not cancel out any exisitng debt,so delaying the publishihg of the financials will not be any benefit to "hide" the debt
If there is a debt.....potentially this can be so but what level of debt we do not know and who that debt is owed | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 14:04 - Mar 25 with 2999 views | Badlands |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 12:51 - Mar 25 by valleyboy |
Does it really matter how a redundancy notice is written
If it was written as DearJohn oe Dear Employee. The same end result will happen
It’s not a nice time for everyone in a buisness of any kind and what I have seen. The quicker it’s over the better and everyone can move on including the people that’s been made redundant
The part to worry about, is this letter was sent to everyone other than the first team players, the manager and his coaching staff
Which means only one thing
The debt is not as small as some posters think it is |
I've never seen a general letter about possible / probable redundancies headed with a personal name unless it was within a very small group and the redundancy has been specifically identified.
Dear Employee is standard and acceptable to employers and unions. | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 14:21 - Mar 25 with 2972 views | valleyboy |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 14:04 - Mar 25 by Badlands |
I've never seen a general letter about possible / probable redundancies headed with a personal name unless it was within a very small group and the redundancy has been specifically identified.
Dear Employee is standard and acceptable to employers and unions. |
You are right
There’s been two redundancies in the place where I worked and as you say the notices were headed as Dear Employee
But as I said. It’s bad news for the ones receiving that letter and then made redundant. But the quicker it’s completed the better it is for everyone | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 15:22 - Mar 25 with 2893 views | sg1912 |
I think that page hasn’t been updated in the last two years, I know a few of the names on the list are not associated with the club anymore. | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 15:24 - Mar 25 with 2887 views | STID2017 |
The odd thing is in the letter they ask for anyone interested in taking a voluntary redundancy to step forward.
However it is not like a large group of workers all with roughky the same set of skills that some can say they'll give their jobs up.
The employees affected have a lot of different positions and skill sets.
So until the employer gets down to specifics it is a worrying time for all concerned |  |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 15:47 - Mar 25 with 2859 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 15:24 - Mar 25 by STID2017 |
The odd thing is in the letter they ask for anyone interested in taking a voluntary redundancy to step forward.
However it is not like a large group of workers all with roughky the same set of skills that some can say they'll give their jobs up.
The employees affected have a lot of different positions and skill sets.
So until the employer gets down to specifics it is a worrying time for all concerned |
Disagree, in dim and distant past as a perm, had similar. Some of us with niche skills were offered voluntary redundancy - if others were and we weren't, would have had us as unhappy employees.
All of us with niche skills left knowing we could make more elsewhere / were able to create businesses of our own.
It just sounds like it's a case of "fvck, we really need to get the headcount down, offer it o all and we'll deal with the fallout". | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 16:17 - Mar 25 with 2818 views | Badlands |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 15:24 - Mar 25 by STID2017 |
The odd thing is in the letter they ask for anyone interested in taking a voluntary redundancy to step forward.
However it is not like a large group of workers all with roughky the same set of skills that some can say they'll give their jobs up.
The employees affected have a lot of different positions and skill sets.
So until the employer gets down to specifics it is a worrying time for all concerned |
The cover-all approach allows great flexibility.
If the club said 10 out of 15 office staff had to leave and 3 out of 12 catering staff but got 3 office staff wanting to go and 10 caterers it would have to go through formal redundancy procedures which would take time and cause more stress and either save less, give less favourable severance and lead to increased employees being lost.
The people who will be made redundant will almost certainly higher earners who can be replaced with cheaper employees already on the payroll (30 years experience replaced with an up and coming talent could well benefit all parties) and people doing less specialised work.
I have no idea of how support jobs are organised but I do know where general notices have gone out people with essential skills are often turned down for redundancy or put on a waiting list to find someone within the organisation who can take over their work or if it can be shared (e.g. HR with the Stadium could be taken over by HR on the club list, 6 ticket office staff could be reduced to 4 with two going into the shop (or vice versa), three full time jobs could be organised to be covered as the equivalent of 2 days part time.
Worrying especially with things Ponting to Swansea and area being left out in the cold even more if Brexit happens. | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 19:58 - Mar 25 with 2697 views | BillyChong |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 12:37 - Mar 25 by Badlands |
Neither did I, but instead of making up s**t I looked for the information. |
I can’t see those specific figures/roles listed on that link, although coincidentally (?!) after someone above commented on how out of date the page is someone’s updated it today | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 21:15 - Mar 25 with 2630 views | Badlands |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 19:58 - Mar 25 by BillyChong |
I can’t see those specific figures/roles listed on that link, although coincidentally (?!) after someone above commented on how out of date the page is someone’s updated it today |
Went back to the link which has been updated
https://www.swanseacity.com/youth/academy/staff
STAFF
6 coaches for teams under 11 - Darren Jones named twice
9 coaches for teams under16 - under 11 (not 8)
3 goalkeeping coaches
6 in sport science and medicine (not 5)
3 academy performance analysts (not 2)
4 Kit and utility (one less but Operations and admin = 11)
6 recruitment staff outside the senior management group
The following page contains a list of people with senior / middle management positions with others supporting them/
https://www.swanseacity.com/contactlist
scroll to
COMMERCIAL & MARKETING
2 club ambassadors
16 at manager level in commercial and marketing
4 multi-media officers | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 21:26 - Mar 25 with 2603 views | QJumpingJack |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 21:15 - Mar 25 by Badlands |
Went back to the link which has been updated
https://www.swanseacity.com/youth/academy/staff
STAFF
6 coaches for teams under 11 - Darren Jones named twice
9 coaches for teams under16 - under 11 (not 8)
3 goalkeeping coaches
6 in sport science and medicine (not 5)
3 academy performance analysts (not 2)
4 Kit and utility (one less but Operations and admin = 11)
6 recruitment staff outside the senior management group
The following page contains a list of people with senior / middle management positions with others supporting them/
https://www.swanseacity.com/contactlist
scroll to
COMMERCIAL & MARKETING
2 club ambassadors
16 at manager level in commercial and marketing
4 multi-media officers |
On the second link, does anyone know what the role of "Associate Director" is? | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 21:33 - Mar 25 with 2586 views | PozuelosSideys |
The initial letters will likely be addressed to an employee rather than by specific name. There are many issues around teh legalities and how staff are identified for redundancy.
Any further comms will be addressed to the specific person after the conversations have been had and they have been told. Thats how it was when i was made redundant once. But then a lot of these people wont have specific T&C's within their employment contract which cover pay-off;s or non disclosure agreements etc. They basically get told the job no longer exists, so therefore leave. |  |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:13 - Mar 28 with 2301 views | vetchonian |
According to Potter in his presser it appears his coaching staff have had the letter too.
It appears to all except first team squad and Potter! Very Worrying | |
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:27 - Mar 28 with 2276 views | QJumpingJack |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:13 - Mar 28 by vetchonian |
According to Potter in his presser it appears his coaching staff have had the letter too.
It appears to all except first team squad and Potter! Very Worrying |
This is bound to impact morale which will not help with the sort of games coming up. | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:32 - Mar 28 with 2268 views | jasper_T |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:27 - Mar 28 by QJumpingJack |
This is bound to impact morale which will not help with the sort of games coming up. |
He said the squad is in a good place after the run of performances. They're all terrific actors if the mood is supposed to be in the dumps right now. | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 20:09 - Mar 28 with 2172 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 17:32 - Mar 28 by jasper_T |
He said the squad is in a good place after the run of performances. They're all terrific actors if the mood is supposed to be in the dumps right now. |
The squad he’s referring to are probably on more a month than most are a year, I doubt they are all crying themselves to sleep.
Most of them will find employment in their profession pretty comfortably whatever happens here.
Players knowing that their future will be elsewhere are obviously going to be less motivated going into the run in. The clubs in very poor shape. [Post edited 28 Mar 2019 20:10]
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| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 20:32 - Mar 28 with 2130 views | jasper_T |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 20:09 - Mar 28 by 34dfgdf54 |
The squad he’s referring to are probably on more a month than most are a year, I doubt they are all crying themselves to sleep.
Most of them will find employment in their profession pretty comfortably whatever happens here.
Players knowing that their future will be elsewhere are obviously going to be less motivated going into the run in. The clubs in very poor shape. [Post edited 28 Mar 2019 20:10]
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Fer's performances always seemed to pick up when he was playing for a new contract (here or elsewhere).
Not sure it's a real issue in general, though. Potter's making no excuses. | | | |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 20:51 - Mar 28 with 2092 views | pencoedjack |
| Staff issued with redundancy letters on 20:32 - Mar 28 by jasper_T |
Fer's performances always seemed to pick up when he was playing for a new contract (here or elsewhere).
Not sure it's a real issue in general, though. Potter's making no excuses. |
I have to agree
I’m a big fan of Fer & was expecting him to rip this league apart unfortunately that has happened on only a few occasions this season.
If we had a consistent midfield guvnor this season we’d be knocking on the door of the play offs. |  | | |
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