| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed 11:11 - Feb 15 with 9222 views | BillericayR |
Doing the business again.
I am a Warnock fan and think we made a wrong decision employing IH - but appreciate he does divide opinion. |  | | |  |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:16 - Feb 15 with 6588 views | Juzzie |
Warnock didn't want to be QPR manager, it just was never on the cards.
Something to do with his wife being ill. Yes, he took up the Cardiff post a few months later but Cardiff is closer to his Devon home than London.
Sorry, don't want to be a kill-joy but this has been done to death. |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:42 - Feb 15 with 6552 views | WestbourneR |
Juzzie I know I have no evidence but my gut tells me that's rubbish. I think he'd have jumped at the permanent job but Ferdinand wasn't having it. Warnock is too old school and too domineering. The 'Warnick didn't want the job' story was a convenient way for all parties to cover it over.
It's a shame as you have to say the results while he was here were very good. I don't think he's a top flight manager but he is brilliant in the Championship. He's particularly brilliant at getting points on the road.
Am I right in saying Warnock dropped Luongo from the team while he was here? |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:44 - Feb 15 with 6543 views | Jigsore |
hitting the lofty heights of mid table. maybe. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 11:45]
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:44 - Feb 15 with 6541 views | LongsufferingR |
Hypothetical question - how much better off would we all be mentally if we forgot the past and got behind the current team and the current manager? [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 16:52]
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:46 - Feb 15 with 6529 views | TacticalR |
@Juzzie 'Sorry, don't want to be a kill-joy but this has been done to death'
We don't normally let that stop us. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:55 - Feb 15 with 6499 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:42 - Feb 15 by WestbourneR |
Juzzie I know I have no evidence but my gut tells me that's rubbish. I think he'd have jumped at the permanent job but Ferdinand wasn't having it. Warnock is too old school and too domineering. The 'Warnick didn't want the job' story was a convenient way for all parties to cover it over.
It's a shame as you have to say the results while he was here were very good. I don't think he's a top flight manager but he is brilliant in the Championship. He's particularly brilliant at getting points on the road.
Am I right in saying Warnock dropped Luongo from the team while he was here? |
Very good is pushing it, mate. 0-0 v preston, loss at Boro, win v Leeds only because Austin gave us 20 mins (20 mins more than JFH ever had) and a win at Reading thanks to them gifting us a goal. We had about 3 shots in 4 games.
Luongo was out the side yes.
Henry and Sandro played instead.
Cardiff currently have one more point than we do away from home this season. Our biggest problem this season is our home form! |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:03 - Feb 15 with 6469 views | kensalriser |
Can we have another Barton thread?
Or maybe Adel. Haven't done that for a couple of months. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:05 - Feb 15 with 6461 views | Pommyhoop |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:03 - Feb 15 by kensalriser |
Can we have another Barton thread?
Or maybe Adel. Haven't done that for a couple of months. |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:06 - Feb 15 with 6462 views | WestbourneR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 11:55 - Feb 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Very good is pushing it, mate. 0-0 v preston, loss at Boro, win v Leeds only because Austin gave us 20 mins (20 mins more than JFH ever had) and a win at Reading thanks to them gifting us a goal. We had about 3 shots in 4 games.
Luongo was out the side yes.
Henry and Sandro played instead.
Cardiff currently have one more point than we do away from home this season. Our biggest problem this season is our home form! |
Hard to argue with that Antti mate! You've gone and hit me with properly researched facts again. My memory was obviously a lot more golden than the reality.
The major thing with Warnock's teams is they're as hard as nails and they rarely concede. Great on set pieces and defensive shape. The down side is the football going forward is rigid and predicable. Our promotion side relied totally on Adel to create goals. | |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:10 - Feb 15 with 6445 views | LongsufferingR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:06 - Feb 15 by WestbourneR |
Hard to argue with that Antti mate! You've gone and hit me with properly researched facts again. My memory was obviously a lot more golden than the reality.
The major thing with Warnock's teams is they're as hard as nails and they rarely concede. Great on set pieces and defensive shape. The down side is the football going forward is rigid and predicable. Our promotion side relied totally on Adel to create goals. |
Rarely concede!! Not checked last night's results then? | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:20 - Feb 15 with 6421 views | CamberleyR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:06 - Feb 15 by WestbourneR |
Hard to argue with that Antti mate! You've gone and hit me with properly researched facts again. My memory was obviously a lot more golden than the reality.
The major thing with Warnock's teams is they're as hard as nails and they rarely concede. Great on set pieces and defensive shape. The down side is the football going forward is rigid and predicable. Our promotion side relied totally on Adel to create goals. |
"they rarely concede"
30 goals in 23 games so far for Cardiff. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 6414 views | paulparker |
We would be higher up the table no Question, the man is a brilliant manager
that being said im glad we have Olly , im happy with the performances the last 5 or 6 games , im happy that Olly is trying new systems and bringing in Furlong, Manning and getting the best out of Hall ,
we are slowly getting there after the mess of Ramsey, JFH and getting the wasters off the wage bill, we just need to stay up this year and then I think we may see a different Rangers |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:30 - Feb 15 with 6390 views | WestbourneR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:20 - Feb 15 by CamberleyR |
"they rarely concede"
30 goals in 23 games so far for Cardiff. |
I'm not looking for a tit for tat argument I'm sharing an opinion based around thread topic. Never ceases to amaze me how opposed people are to the entire point of a message board while they post on a message board. Post a reply to a thread saying it's a c**p thread, very logical.
I'd say that Cardiff's defensive record is the exception not the rule of Warnock's career.
If you don't agree than it'd be much more interesting to explain why and talk about it.
So Camberley - you don't think Warnock tends to create defensively solid teams? Can you tell me what kind of manager he is then and what kind of teams he creates instead? I assume by quoting Cardiff stats that you actually have opinion - or are you just trying to petty point score? | |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:50 - Feb 15 with 6338 views | BillericayR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:30 - Feb 15 by WestbourneR |
I'm not looking for a tit for tat argument I'm sharing an opinion based around thread topic. Never ceases to amaze me how opposed people are to the entire point of a message board while they post on a message board. Post a reply to a thread saying it's a c**p thread, very logical.
I'd say that Cardiff's defensive record is the exception not the rule of Warnock's career.
If you don't agree than it'd be much more interesting to explain why and talk about it.
So Camberley - you don't think Warnock tends to create defensively solid teams? Can you tell me what kind of manager he is then and what kind of teams he creates instead? I assume by quoting Cardiff stats that you actually have opinion - or are you just trying to petty point score? |
I don't care how many are we concede as long as we score one more.
When Warnock took over Cardiff they were in trouble near the bottom - he has them now comfortable mid-table.
We are going the other way.
Don't forget what he did at Rotherham last year - why didn't they keep him!!
Listened to him on the Danny Baker BBC Radio show before taking over at Cardiff and he came across as a fantastic communicator and so full of energy - had me tingling and itching to play again.
IH has the energy, but his communication seems more playground stuff to me.
Current record, especially at home is dreadful.
Any team going through a bad patch must look forward to playing us.
Should be interesting to see what happens this week-end at a rudderless Birmingham.
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:57 - Feb 15 with 6324 views | daveB |
He'd have been hounded out by fans for some reason within a year, much like the first time |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:00 - Feb 15 with 6312 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:57 - Feb 15 by daveB |
He'd have been hounded out by fans for some reason within a year, much like the first time |
Is the correct answer. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:09 - Feb 15 with 6290 views | CamberleyR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:30 - Feb 15 by WestbourneR |
I'm not looking for a tit for tat argument I'm sharing an opinion based around thread topic. Never ceases to amaze me how opposed people are to the entire point of a message board while they post on a message board. Post a reply to a thread saying it's a c**p thread, very logical.
I'd say that Cardiff's defensive record is the exception not the rule of Warnock's career.
If you don't agree than it'd be much more interesting to explain why and talk about it.
So Camberley - you don't think Warnock tends to create defensively solid teams? Can you tell me what kind of manager he is then and what kind of teams he creates instead? I assume by quoting Cardiff stats that you actually have opinion - or are you just trying to petty point score? |
I'd disagree that his Cardiff stats are the exception. Latterly his defensive record at the teams he's managed is nothing particularly special. His record at Leeds was nothing to write home about; F81 A92 but I'm sure he regrets taking that job on the rebound in hindsight.
Earlier in his career I suppose and based on him achieving 7 or 8 promotions you would say that he definitely knows how to organise a team and with an old school Warnock team you'd know you'd been in a game. He's usually great at going in and making an immediate impact at a club but probably with the exception of Sheff U (where he lasted longest), can't usually seem to sustain it. His last 18 months or so at Palace the first time, a case in point.
I just don't think he has the same drive as he did when he was at say Sheff Utd, but his ego won't let him retire gracefully after a generally pretty good managerial career. His one brilliant full season he had with us is increasingly looking like a glorious season out of the ordinary in his latter years. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 13:16]
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:42 - Feb 15 with 6213 views | Toast_R |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:09 - Feb 15 by CamberleyR |
I'd disagree that his Cardiff stats are the exception. Latterly his defensive record at the teams he's managed is nothing particularly special. His record at Leeds was nothing to write home about; F81 A92 but I'm sure he regrets taking that job on the rebound in hindsight.
Earlier in his career I suppose and based on him achieving 7 or 8 promotions you would say that he definitely knows how to organise a team and with an old school Warnock team you'd know you'd been in a game. He's usually great at going in and making an immediate impact at a club but probably with the exception of Sheff U (where he lasted longest), can't usually seem to sustain it. His last 18 months or so at Palace the first time, a case in point.
I just don't think he has the same drive as he did when he was at say Sheff Utd, but his ego won't let him retire gracefully after a generally pretty good managerial career. His one brilliant full season he had with us is increasingly looking like a glorious season out of the ordinary in his latter years. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 13:16]
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Well not really so , when he took over QPR were heading to League 1 at a rate of knots with a squad full of loanees and completely unmotivated/disillusioned players who had gone through 4 manager changes in less then a season.
He dragged the club out of the mire, put an arm around a few players, worked out what was needed and who wasn't and managed to build a title winning team in a transfer window without spending a stupid amount of money. We can throw the old " His team relied on Adel to score goals etc" all we want, but the fact remains to this date that he was the only manager in the World ever who has got the best out of that player. like Robin WIlliams was to Good Will Hunting. The tragedy of it all was that Briatori's mob halted the natural progress and momentum into the Premier League. Warnock wasn't able to get his summer targets and instead, had to get the best of what was left hanging around and to do that the club took the option of blowing any potential competition out of the water to get them signed. Would he have really signed Barton, Ferdinand, Luke Young and SWP has he been able to bring in Ashley Williams, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge who were apparently around his house waiting to sign? Probably not and how much of a save in wages would that have been?
His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then...
I think NW is a great manager, I always curse the day he was shamefully sacked and hold that as as the catalyst of the clubs demise, the very least he deserved from QPR was that January transfer window. I'd have had us to stay up without having Bolton bail us out. I also regret him being passed over for JFH last season. A blunder that has set us back another 18 months, maybe worse if we go down this season IMO. |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:46 - Feb 15 with 6198 views | FredManRave |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:00 - Feb 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Is the correct answer. |
Hypothetically. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:49 - Feb 15 with 6190 views | paulparker |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:42 - Feb 15 by Toast_R |
Well not really so , when he took over QPR were heading to League 1 at a rate of knots with a squad full of loanees and completely unmotivated/disillusioned players who had gone through 4 manager changes in less then a season.
He dragged the club out of the mire, put an arm around a few players, worked out what was needed and who wasn't and managed to build a title winning team in a transfer window without spending a stupid amount of money. We can throw the old " His team relied on Adel to score goals etc" all we want, but the fact remains to this date that he was the only manager in the World ever who has got the best out of that player. like Robin WIlliams was to Good Will Hunting. The tragedy of it all was that Briatori's mob halted the natural progress and momentum into the Premier League. Warnock wasn't able to get his summer targets and instead, had to get the best of what was left hanging around and to do that the club took the option of blowing any potential competition out of the water to get them signed. Would he have really signed Barton, Ferdinand, Luke Young and SWP has he been able to bring in Ashley Williams, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge who were apparently around his house waiting to sign? Probably not and how much of a save in wages would that have been?
His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then...
I think NW is a great manager, I always curse the day he was shamefully sacked and hold that as as the catalyst of the clubs demise, the very least he deserved from QPR was that January transfer window. I'd have had us to stay up without having Bolton bail us out. I also regret him being passed over for JFH last season. A blunder that has set us back another 18 months, maybe worse if we go down this season IMO. |
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:33 - Feb 15 with 6105 views | daveB |
Unfortunately he said he wanted it after the job had been offered to someone else. Timing was off really, if Ramsey had been sacked a month later then Warnock would have probably got the job for the rest of the season | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:34 - Feb 15 with 6101 views | ngbqpr |
has he replied to anyone's email yet? |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:48 - Feb 15 with 6072 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:42 - Feb 15 by Toast_R |
Well not really so , when he took over QPR were heading to League 1 at a rate of knots with a squad full of loanees and completely unmotivated/disillusioned players who had gone through 4 manager changes in less then a season.
He dragged the club out of the mire, put an arm around a few players, worked out what was needed and who wasn't and managed to build a title winning team in a transfer window without spending a stupid amount of money. We can throw the old " His team relied on Adel to score goals etc" all we want, but the fact remains to this date that he was the only manager in the World ever who has got the best out of that player. like Robin WIlliams was to Good Will Hunting. The tragedy of it all was that Briatori's mob halted the natural progress and momentum into the Premier League. Warnock wasn't able to get his summer targets and instead, had to get the best of what was left hanging around and to do that the club took the option of blowing any potential competition out of the water to get them signed. Would he have really signed Barton, Ferdinand, Luke Young and SWP has he been able to bring in Ashley Williams, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge who were apparently around his house waiting to sign? Probably not and how much of a save in wages would that have been?
His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then...
I think NW is a great manager, I always curse the day he was shamefully sacked and hold that as as the catalyst of the clubs demise, the very least he deserved from QPR was that January transfer window. I'd have had us to stay up without having Bolton bail us out. I also regret him being passed over for JFH last season. A blunder that has set us back another 18 months, maybe worse if we go down this season IMO. |
"His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then... "
The list of "arseholes" brought in is, well, seriously underwhelming (first group is under Ecclestone/Briatore, second group is under Fernandes):
Jay Bothroyd
Kieron Dyer
Danny Gabbidon
DJ Campbell
Brian Murphy
Joey Barton
Luke Young
Armand Traore
Shaun Wright-Philips
Anton Ferdinand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._season#In
Tbf, not a success amongst them. But why do you say "the club brought in", like Warnock had nothing to do with them? I don't believe that for a second. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:51 - Feb 15 with 6060 views | daveB |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:42 - Feb 15 by Toast_R |
Well not really so , when he took over QPR were heading to League 1 at a rate of knots with a squad full of loanees and completely unmotivated/disillusioned players who had gone through 4 manager changes in less then a season.
He dragged the club out of the mire, put an arm around a few players, worked out what was needed and who wasn't and managed to build a title winning team in a transfer window without spending a stupid amount of money. We can throw the old " His team relied on Adel to score goals etc" all we want, but the fact remains to this date that he was the only manager in the World ever who has got the best out of that player. like Robin WIlliams was to Good Will Hunting. The tragedy of it all was that Briatori's mob halted the natural progress and momentum into the Premier League. Warnock wasn't able to get his summer targets and instead, had to get the best of what was left hanging around and to do that the club took the option of blowing any potential competition out of the water to get them signed. Would he have really signed Barton, Ferdinand, Luke Young and SWP has he been able to bring in Ashley Williams, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge who were apparently around his house waiting to sign? Probably not and how much of a save in wages would that have been?
His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then...
I think NW is a great manager, I always curse the day he was shamefully sacked and hold that as as the catalyst of the clubs demise, the very least he deserved from QPR was that January transfer window. I'd have had us to stay up without having Bolton bail us out. I also regret him being passed over for JFH last season. A blunder that has set us back another 18 months, maybe worse if we go down this season IMO. |
I agree he did a really good job and was unlucky not to get Williams, Graham etc after we went up but he did have a decent (not great) transfer budget under Flavio and already had the nucleus of a side that stayed up in the end. He brought in several players who were no longer needed by the end of August. I thought he was too quick to write off players like Hill and Helguson who when he brought them back in were the ones to keep us up.
The panic stations signings didn't have to happen and bringing in those big names were a big part of his downfall with us and the start of our own meltdown over the last few years.
He shouldn't have been sacked though, I said that at the time but not many agreed. Too many fans were as star struck as Fernandes at that time wanting big names and Warnock didn't fit in anymore. A right cock up all round | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:00 - Feb 15 with 2468 views | WestbourneR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:09 - Feb 15 by CamberleyR |
I'd disagree that his Cardiff stats are the exception. Latterly his defensive record at the teams he's managed is nothing particularly special. His record at Leeds was nothing to write home about; F81 A92 but I'm sure he regrets taking that job on the rebound in hindsight.
Earlier in his career I suppose and based on him achieving 7 or 8 promotions you would say that he definitely knows how to organise a team and with an old school Warnock team you'd know you'd been in a game. He's usually great at going in and making an immediate impact at a club but probably with the exception of Sheff U (where he lasted longest), can't usually seem to sustain it. His last 18 months or so at Palace the first time, a case in point.
I just don't think he has the same drive as he did when he was at say Sheff Utd, but his ego won't let him retire gracefully after a generally pretty good managerial career. His one brilliant full season he had with us is increasingly looking like a glorious season out of the ordinary in his latter years. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 13:16]
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Fair enough Camberley, you've given me a bunch of good reasons why you see it differently.
I have to say I think he did a very good job at Rangers first time round, had a mare a nightmarish Leeds, he did a good job back at QPR for a short while, an incredible job at Rotherham and now a very good job at Cardiff. I think your theory that he goes off the boil is bit harsh. I think his main limitation is ultimately playing style. | |
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