| Canas 16:04 - Sep 1 with 13117 views | Swan91 |
I get that he's not wanted here and we only got him on a free transfer but it would've been nice to get something for him instead of selling him for nothing. Even 500,000 would've been useful. [Post edited 1 Sep 2014 16:56]
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| Canas on 19:58 - Sep 2 with 2237 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
it seems all players that leave us are then classed not that very good any way.
Fickle extreme |  |
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| Canas on 20:12 - Sep 2 with 2216 views | skippyjack |
| Canas on 19:57 - Sep 2 by Drizzy |
Don't be ridiculous. |
Moreira (Championship)
Dr Vries (Championship
Painter (Championship)
Situ (League Two)
Bessone (League One)
Britton (Premier League)
Lopez (League One)
Pratley (Premier League)
Gower (League One)
Agustien (Championship)
Canas (Premier League)
Cotterill (League One)
Orlandi (Championship)
Pintado (League One)
Beattie (League One)
Ngog (Championship)
Lita (Championship)
I'd class them this standard
3 defenders 2 wingers. I'd be confident of this squad in the Championship.. all free an all. |  |
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| Canas on 20:26 - Sep 2 with 2162 views | cockett_jack |
Never rated him, he looks a liability whenever I saw him play, rushing into challenges. |  | | |
| Canas on 20:30 - Sep 2 with 2149 views | waynekerr55 |
| Canas on 20:26 - Sep 2 by cockett_jack |
Never rated him, he looks a liability whenever I saw him play, rushing into challenges. |
Very tenacious - but I agree, the positional sense of a p*ssed flea |  |
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| Canas on 21:55 - Sep 2 with 2021 views | SwansNZ |
| Canas on 20:12 - Sep 2 by skippyjack |
Moreira (Championship)
Dr Vries (Championship
Painter (Championship)
Situ (League Two)
Bessone (League One)
Britton (Premier League)
Lopez (League One)
Pratley (Premier League)
Gower (League One)
Agustien (Championship)
Canas (Premier League)
Cotterill (League One)
Orlandi (Championship)
Pintado (League One)
Beattie (League One)
Ngog (Championship)
Lita (Championship)
I'd class them this standard
3 defenders 2 wingers. I'd be confident of this squad in the Championship.. all free an all. |
We've just got Gomis and Fab FREE, is that no good? |  |
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| Canas on 23:40 - Sep 2 with 1937 views | oldgrey |
| Canas on 18:14 - Sep 2 by skippyjack |
Another player gone on a free..
Situ.. free cost 250k..
Orlandi..free
Lita..free.. cost nearly 2 million
Moore..free..
Bessone..free
Moreira..free.. cost 1 million
Beattie..free.. cost 800k
Gower..free
Augustin..free
Cotterill..free..cost 600k
Pintado..free.. cost 180k
Canas..free
Ngog..free
Dr Vries..free
Pratley..free
Britton..free
Lopez..free
Painter..free
Gets beyond |
And how much did we get for ben davies, Sinclair and joe Allen? | | | |
| Canas on 23:49 - Sep 2 with 1920 views | SwansNZ |
| Canas on 23:40 - Sep 2 by oldgrey |
And how much did we get for ben davies, Sinclair and joe Allen? |
and how much did they cost us?
nothing, 1m?, nothing
Some you win, some you lose. If players are surplus, get rid. if nobody want to buy them, then just get them off the payroll.
Of course, the list contains players who run their contract down, what are we supposed to do there? | |
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| Canas on 23:56 - Sep 2 with 1909 views | Tom1912 |
| Canas on 19:56 - Sep 2 by skippyjack |
Do any of you two run a business? |
If you are worried about that list of players leaving for free, football doesn't work the way in which you think it does | | | |
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| Canas on 00:26 - Sep 3 with 1888 views | swanduck |
miss ew canas luv and stars xoxoxo |  | | |
| Canas on 18:05 - Sep 3 with 1781 views | Jokeren1943 |
Fine DM we got for almost nothing. |  | | |
| Canas on 18:17 - Sep 3 with 1766 views | Swan91 |
Not all deals are going to be great for us. But will say that what we made from Sinclair and Allen more than make up for it. When we got into the premier league we had a lot of championship standard players and then once we got going in the transfer windows most of these players became surplus to requirements meaning that we wanted to clear our wage budget and bring in bigger and better players.
We got rid of DDV and moreira and brought in vorm and tremmel. That's a great change in my opinion. We got rid of gower as he was getting pretty old and had a player like Allen play instead. Agustien was more trouble than worth so we got rid of him, simple as that.
When it come to ngog and lita, I can see ngog only came here so we had some emergency players to make it through the season even though so many injuries occurred. He wasn't a long term player it was something we needed on short term. Now lita did not get going for us and was obviously not working with the team for years meaning we had to get rid of him (wouldn't be surprised if he was on about 15K a week either)
On paper there's a lot of players sold for free but at the time it was the correct decision. As we moved on with the times and became a bigger club, we got rid of the players that couldn't keep up and got players that were bigger and better.
And now we have signed players like fabianski and gomis on a free transfer which like Sinclair and Allen more than makes up for the player we sold for nothing. | | | |
| Canas on 18:54 - Sep 3 with 1730 views | Drizzy |
| Canas on 18:05 - Sep 3 by Jokeren1943 |
Fine DM we got for almost nothing. |
Except for the likely 6 figure signing on fee plus the £20k+ a week we paid for him a year to get splinters on his arse and have tantrums.
I hear there are some 5 bedroom penthouses in Mayfair going for next to nothing... |  |
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| Canas on 18:55 - Sep 3 with 1723 views | skippyjack |
| Canas on 23:56 - Sep 2 by Tom1912 |
If you are worried about that list of players leaving for free, football doesn't work the way in which you think it does |
what bollocks..football doesn't work the way in which you think it does.. Well if you leave contracts run down.. it's f*cking obvious.. make football work in a way you think it does.. a strategy should be in place | |
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| Canas on 20:56 - Sep 3 with 1662 views | cyril |
| Canas on 18:55 - Sep 3 by skippyjack |
what bollocks..football doesn't work the way in which you think it does.. Well if you leave contracts run down.. it's f*cking obvious.. make football work in a way you think it does.. a strategy should be in place |
Is that the same way the swans buy a house in killay for 1.3m to house a certain manager and when he goes we sell 14 months later for 900,000, yeh great business sense that, we only get however million a year, and there's us giving people away for nothing, maximise every penny I say because you never know when we might need it |  |
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| Canas on 21:06 - Sep 3 with 1625 views | ItchySphincter |
I wonder if Canas has posted his thank you and goodbye letter yet? |  |
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| Canas on 21:09 - Sep 3 with 1617 views | jack247 |
Decent player, no more than that. Was a specialist DM though and I would have preferred either keeping or replacing him to just letting him go | | | |
| Canas on 21:12 - Sep 3 with 1600 views | ItchySphincter |
Did you see him play? | |
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| Canas on 21:20 - Sep 3 with 1572 views | jack247 |
I'm new to this site, not new to the Swans.
I didn't rate him that highly, but personally would have preferred him to either Shelvey or Ki as a midfield shield, as it is not a natural position to either of them. So far they/GM are proving me wrong and I hope they continue to do so.
My preferred option would have been to bring a (better) replacement in and release him, particularly with Britton being out. | | | |
| Canas on 21:46 - Sep 3 with 1536 views | ItchySphincter |
Fair enough. Think we're better shot of him and his wage. I felt truly let down in his first game against ManU when he tried to give it the big I am against their midfield in the first couple of minutes and got sorted out double quick. Never stepped up after that except in that one cup game at OT where he was lauded as brilliant because he managed to do what he was supposed to do in every other game he played in. Not great to have around training either. | |
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| Canas on 21:57 - Sep 3 with 1521 views | SwansNZ |
| Canas on 21:20 - Sep 3 by jack247 |
I'm new to this site, not new to the Swans.
I didn't rate him that highly, but personally would have preferred him to either Shelvey or Ki as a midfield shield, as it is not a natural position to either of them. So far they/GM are proving me wrong and I hope they continue to do so.
My preferred option would have been to bring a (better) replacement in and release him, particularly with Britton being out. |
Neither Ki nor Shelvey are playing the Leon/Canas role, that just sits in front of the back 4. | |
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| Canas on 22:06 - Sep 3 with 1500 views | jack247 |
Yes I know, they are both playing a more traditional CM role, which they are both more suited to than DM and sharing the defensive workload. I see Ki, if not both of them as advanced midfielders though. (Shelvey more box to box).
We may well need a shield in front of back four in some games and I'm not convinced either of them is disciplined enough, or reads the game well enough to do it.
Having said that, we are 3 from 3 and they were pretty comfortable at Old Trafford, so it looks like what we have got is working | | | |
| Canas on 12:14 - Sep 4 with 1382 views | karnataka |
| Canas on 22:06 - Sep 3 by jack247 |
Yes I know, they are both playing a more traditional CM role, which they are both more suited to than DM and sharing the defensive workload. I see Ki, if not both of them as advanced midfielders though. (Shelvey more box to box).
We may well need a shield in front of back four in some games and I'm not convinced either of them is disciplined enough, or reads the game well enough to do it.
Having said that, we are 3 from 3 and they were pretty comfortable at Old Trafford, so it looks like what we have got is working |
What we have got is definitely working.... so far, due, in part, to the make up of the opposition midfield. I think the big test of that line up comes when there are seriously combative, high work rate midfielders in the opposition who win a lot of tackles and are capable of pressing our midfield and disrupting our rhythm. A combination of Nemanja Matic and Ramires in our next game certainly won't make it easy for Shelvey or Ki to find space but if they come through that unscathed, then just maybe we have found a winning combination. |  | | |
| Canas on 12:57 - Sep 4 with 1329 views | Tom1912 |
| Canas on 18:55 - Sep 3 by skippyjack |
what bollocks..football doesn't work the way in which you think it does.. Well if you leave contracts run down.. it's f*cking obvious.. make football work in a way you think it does.. a strategy should be in place |
If you think we can get a fee for every player we want to get rid of....then no, not bloocks, it doesn't work like you think it does.
There is obviously a strategy in place but we're not always going to be in a position to get full value from a player. You can't force players to sign new contracts and equally, sometimes it's better to move players on, and get them off the wage bill.
Most of your list was deadwood we didn't want because they were surplus to requirements. If no one wants to give us a fee for them that what are we meant to do? Leave them on the wage bill, taking money out of the club?
Honestly, there's hardly any real value lost on your list. And holding on to the likes of DDV and Pratley because they were in the final year of their contract can't really be seen as a mistake given that they helped us get promoted to the PL.
Regardless, over the years, the value we've lost on players is easily bypassed by the value we've gainedn signings such as Bodde, Scotland, Rangel, Williams, Dyer, Sinclair, Taylor,Routledge, Graham etc | | | |
| Canas on 13:14 - Sep 4 with 1299 views | MiniSwan |
I'm glad we're rid of him, never rated him myself | | | |
| Canas on 16:04 - Sep 4 with 1209 views | skippyjack |
| Canas on 12:57 - Sep 4 by Tom1912 |
If you think we can get a fee for every player we want to get rid of....then no, not bloocks, it doesn't work like you think it does.
There is obviously a strategy in place but we're not always going to be in a position to get full value from a player. You can't force players to sign new contracts and equally, sometimes it's better to move players on, and get them off the wage bill.
Most of your list was deadwood we didn't want because they were surplus to requirements. If no one wants to give us a fee for them that what are we meant to do? Leave them on the wage bill, taking money out of the club?
Honestly, there's hardly any real value lost on your list. And holding on to the likes of DDV and Pratley because they were in the final year of their contract can't really be seen as a mistake given that they helped us get promoted to the PL.
Regardless, over the years, the value we've lost on players is easily bypassed by the value we've gainedn signings such as Bodde, Scotland, Rangel, Williams, Dyer, Sinclair, Taylor,Routledge, Graham etc |
Again bollocks... these players, agents and the club's they sign for.. are f*cking us around.. players want the signing on fee.. the agent wants a cut.. the other club want him for free.. now work out..how can we get something from this.. I know how.. and I'm not f*cking telling you.. because I'm unskilled. | |
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