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Oh yes and I agree to some degree with your point about mellowing, and maybe this is a chance for him to give it one last go at putting into practice some ideas and methods, also he maybe thinking about McLaren last year getting a job after working with us for a bit.
For reasons baffling to me Hoddle has somehow acquired this Bobby Robson-like aura for some people, purely it seems because England did slightly (only slightly, and not for very long) better under him fifteen years ago and because he occasionally pops up in the media with vague and woolly platitudes about kids and passing football.
Where is the proof? Where are the facts? Since England he has been a mediocre manager for Spurs, for Wolves, for Southampton. Not only that but he has an alarmingly long history of alienating players and leaving clubs in rancorous circumstances. Remember when he was selling his book and told all to the media about the private meetings with England players who weren't going to make the World Cup squad? Let alone all the insane nonsense with Eileen Drewery and his still to this day completely fcking unacceptable vile drivel about the disabled.
Venables was twice the coach and God knows how many times the man Hoddle is and we wouldn't hire him for a job now either. It's not a strange quirk of fate that no ones gone near Hoddle for the best part of a decade now and personally I will be furious if Fernandes ends up being the only mug gullible enough to give him any kind of senior role in this football club. It will all end in tears.
As far as the "kids" are concerned, its a bit more than "vague".
That was the apex of Hoddle's reign. England played patchily in the build- up to the World Cup, losing at home to Chile and being held by Saudi Arabia. On the plus side, Hoddle introduced Michael Owen, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand but he also became embroiled in controversy regarding the role of Eileen Drewery, his faith-healing friend, the exclusion of Chris Sutton and over comments made about Michael Owen.
He then boldly dropped Paul Gascoigne from the World Cup squad but, less bravely, omitted Owen and Beckham from England's opening games. They responded well on their recall against Colombia and, with the benefit of hindsight, Hoddle claimed he had planned it that way all along. But the damage had been done with the defeat to Romania and England, having failed to practise penalties, went out to Argentina in spot-kicks in the second round.
Then came the publication of Hoddle's World Cup diary, which provoked a furore, Tony Adams' autobiography, which criticised Hoddle, and the defeat to Sweden. A home draw with Bulgaria, and scrappy win over Luxembourg, left England struggling to qualify for next year's European Championship while Andy Cole became the latest dissenter, branding Hoddle a "coward" for not picking him. Given the attacking riches at his disposal Hoddle may have been justified in that but general disquiet over his selections was illustrated by a comment from Sir Bobby Charlton this week. Speaking on radio, Charlton said: "I sometimes wonder what Glenn Hoddle is doing. I always feel the balance is not quite right whenever I see the team go out. I wonder if he handles the young players the right way to give them confidence."
England and club football completely different as you well know.
A lot on here (inc you possibly?) hailing Steve McClaren as a tactical genius, did all the good work here, not Harry, unlucky to lose at Wembley blah blah blah..... look at HIS press reports when he managed England!
England and club football completely different as you well know.
A lot on here (inc you possibly?) hailing Steve McClaren as a tactical genius, did all the good work here, not Harry, unlucky to lose at Wembley blah blah blah..... look at HIS press reports when he managed England!
I wasn't quite on the McLaren bandwagon like that. But while not a messiah he is an open minded coach who won a league in Holland with an smaller club, took Middlesbrough to a UEFA cup final, was assistant to the treble winning United sides. The value of all of that is up for debate but what isn't is that in stark contrast to Hoddle he is seen by all his former players as a being good, stimulating, popular coach.
What is this idea of Hoddle's ineffable tactical genius even based on? Certainly he was more forward-thinking than other English managers of the mid 90s but is that really saying a lot? 3-5-2 was in vogue in 1997 just as it has cycled around now (even if Hoddle would just play Dawson in the centre of a back three and Andros as a huffing and puffing 10 ahead of Eriksen - which puts him at about Steve Bruce's level of comprehension). And at club level none of these tactical innovations were anywhere to be seen anyway.
That was the apex of Hoddle's reign. England played patchily in the build- up to the World Cup, losing at home to Chile and being held by Saudi Arabia. On the plus side, Hoddle introduced Michael Owen, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand but he also became embroiled in controversy regarding the role of Eileen Drewery, his faith-healing friend, the exclusion of Chris Sutton and over comments made about Michael Owen.
He then boldly dropped Paul Gascoigne from the World Cup squad but, less bravely, omitted Owen and Beckham from England's opening games. They responded well on their recall against Colombia and, with the benefit of hindsight, Hoddle claimed he had planned it that way all along. But the damage had been done with the defeat to Romania and England, having failed to practise penalties, went out to Argentina in spot-kicks in the second round.
Then came the publication of Hoddle's World Cup diary, which provoked a furore, Tony Adams' autobiography, which criticised Hoddle, and the defeat to Sweden. A home draw with Bulgaria, and scrappy win over Luxembourg, left England struggling to qualify for next year's European Championship while Andy Cole became the latest dissenter, branding Hoddle a "coward" for not picking him. Given the attacking riches at his disposal Hoddle may have been justified in that but general disquiet over his selections was illustrated by a comment from Sir Bobby Charlton this week. Speaking on radio, Charlton said: "I sometimes wonder what Glenn Hoddle is doing. I always feel the balance is not quite right whenever I see the team go out. I wonder if he handles the young players the right way to give them confidence."
Bear in mind he was still a young manager then and made some mistakes which I'm sure he's learnt from.
Despite overly focusing on the negatives Hoddle played a system and got his England team playing well. Good wins over Tunisia and Colombia and was desperately unlucky not to beat Argentina one of the best sides in that World Cup. He was also the last England manager to win a trophy. Le Tournai in 1997 beating Italy and France. He dropped Gazza because he was pratting about with Chris Evans, Fat Bastard Five Bellies and Danny Baker thinking he was indispensable(they all soon dropped him like a bad habit when s*it went bad for him). Scholes got the nod instead and was just as good with far less baggage.
Hoddle got a bit above himself in the end and got taken in by the wrong sorts but that is something you can learn from as you grow older and wiser. If he has cut the philosophy head shrinking crap outside off football, he is without doubt one of the few who could channel his own football talent into coaching.
Bear in mind he was still a young manager then and made some mistakes which I'm sure he's learnt from.
Despite overly focusing on the negatives Hoddle played a system and got his England team playing well. Good wins over Tunisia and Colombia and was desperately unlucky not to beat Argentina one of the best sides in that World Cup. He was also the last England manager to win a trophy. Le Tournai in 1997 beating Italy and France. He dropped Gazza because he was pratting about with Chris Evans, Fat Bastard Five Bellies and Danny Baker thinking he was indispensable(they all soon dropped him like a bad habit when s*it went bad for him). Scholes got the nod instead and was just as good with far less baggage.
Hoddle got a bit above himself in the end and got taken in by the wrong sorts but that is something you can learn from as you grow older and wiser. If he has cut the philosophy head shrinking crap outside off football, he is without doubt one of the few who could channel his own football talent into coaching.
minor point, but the idea that Baker and Evans 'dropped' Gazza is total nonsense. DB and Gazza still very good friends today. As for Hoddle, there's a world of difference between being a decent pundit and being a decent coach. i can't for the life of me see how this arrangement will work unless Redknapp pretty much gives Hoddle a free hand. It's a bit like last season - I rate McClaren as a coach, but it was always going to be an odd move, because there was little chance of McClaren lasting the season without being offered a job. Why would Hoddle come in as a number two?
I thought we were left lacking any tactical support for HR, all of last season since Steve McClaren left for Derby, which costs us a lot of points over the season
Charlrton away, Doncaster away, Millwall away to name a few
We will need more plan b's in games this season than last. Hoddle could be the extra voice that turns a couple losses to a draw and a couple of draws to a win, and ensure we stay up
People really going far and wide out of their way to spin scant concrete past evidence into hopeful potential positives.
He played 3-5-2 when a lot of other clubs did. He says nice things about nice football and nice kids. He hasn't got anything to show for it. Same as Kevin Keegan, same as Steve Bruce. Yet somehow Hoddle is nothing less than the English Johan Cruyff with the tactical brilliance and Plans A-Z to go toe to toe with the Rodgers, Martinez, Pochettinos of the new school. Do me a lemon.
minor point, but the idea that Baker and Evans 'dropped' Gazza is total nonsense. DB and Gazza still very good friends today. As for Hoddle, there's a world of difference between being a decent pundit and being a decent coach. i can't for the life of me see how this arrangement will work unless Redknapp pretty much gives Hoddle a free hand. It's a bit like last season - I rate McClaren as a coach, but it was always going to be an odd move, because there was little chance of McClaren lasting the season without being offered a job. Why would Hoddle come in as a number two?
That's easy. McClaren was out of work. Nobody gave him an opportunity until Harry. Harry wanted him all year but the tight fisted board said no. Huddle very similar. Out of the game needs a route back. Harry does not coach. Enter a deputy chief.
That's easy. McClaren was out of work. Nobody gave him an opportunity until Harry. Harry wanted him all year but the tight fisted board said no. Huddle very similar. Out of the game needs a route back. Harry does not coach. Enter a deputy chief.
if harry doesn't coach, what does he actually do? 'Go awn lads, go aht there and run about a bit'?
I think you're quite mixed up about the McClaren deal. The board could have offered him a three year deal on double what he's on at derby and he'd still have gone there.
if harry doesn't coach, what does he actually do? 'Go awn lads, go aht there and run about a bit'?
I think you're quite mixed up about the McClaren deal. The board could have offered him a three year deal on double what he's on at derby and he'd still have gone there.
He comes up from Sandbanks a few times a week, watches someone else coach the lads and then organises the pulling of the team from the tombola machine on a Friday afternoon.
He comes up from Sandbanks a few times a week, watches someone else coach the lads and then organises the pulling of the team from the tombola machine on a Friday afternoon.
For £3m a year.
You're only jealous because you've got a shit job.
He comes up from Sandbanks a few times a week, watches someone else coach the lads and then organises the pulling of the team from the tombola machine on a Friday afternoon.
For £3m a year.
i forgot about the tombola! Weird he's using it in friendlies too, though (SWP left wing back). Maybe it's an improved model he's testing for the new season.
He comes up from Sandbanks a few times a week, watches someone else coach the lads and then organises the pulling of the team from the tombola machine on a Friday afternoon.
For £3m a year.
Hmmm. Seems to have done that quite successfully. I wouldn't mind being a quid behind him and nor, I suspect, would you.
if harry doesn't coach, what does he actually do? 'Go awn lads, go aht there and run about a bit'?
I think you're quite mixed up about the McClaren deal. The board could have offered him a three year deal on double what he's on at derby and he'd still have gone there.
Redknapp is no different from other managers from his own or the generation before him. Ferguson, Clough etc none of them actually coached the team in later years although they would have done as younger managers, they employ top quality coaches to do the job for them (the old famous clip of Cloughie giving his Derby players a bollocking on the training pitch springs to mind).
Yeah, that 'arry is a terrible manage. Doesn't do a thing. Pulls the name out of tom bola. Did get us promoted at the first opportunity. Clearly doesn't have a clue.
And Hoddle. What the hell does he know? Absolutely useless. Was picked to be manager of England, when England were actually a good team. Yup.. Clearly doesn't have a clue.
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