| Pitch update on 16:21 - Jan 14 with 4209 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
So why would those people who you claim wouldn't want to move close to Rochdale now, have done so back when Kingsway was being opened? |
I dont think the sort of people they need for their "AdvancedMaterials" centre would have come to Kingsway but engineers, manufacturing companies etc were the original target audience for Kingsway ...
Advanced materials involves a whole other level of expertise, Phd level people as a minimum. Bio stuff like artificial skin, and Retinas , semi conductors, alloys, nanomaterials etc etc. And the current timing could hardly be worse, Rochdale has been in the news for all the wrong reasons worldwide recently, and it was already difficult to recruit teachers, doctors and dentists and the like to the town , much less the best of the best.
Even if they do come to Rochdale to work, they will live somewhere else and commute , just like the BBC staff in Manchester who moved up from London do, many of whom commute from the Peak District |  | |  |
| Pitch update on 16:46 - Jan 14 with 4131 views | D_Alien |
| Pitch update on 16:21 - Jan 14 by 49thseason |
I dont think the sort of people they need for their "AdvancedMaterials" centre would have come to Kingsway but engineers, manufacturing companies etc were the original target audience for Kingsway ...
Advanced materials involves a whole other level of expertise, Phd level people as a minimum. Bio stuff like artificial skin, and Retinas , semi conductors, alloys, nanomaterials etc etc. And the current timing could hardly be worse, Rochdale has been in the news for all the wrong reasons worldwide recently, and it was already difficult to recruit teachers, doctors and dentists and the like to the town , much less the best of the best.
Even if they do come to Rochdale to work, they will live somewhere else and commute , just like the BBC staff in Manchester who moved up from London do, many of whom commute from the Peak District |
Much of that rings true, but Atom Valley isn't exactly embedded within Rochdale in the same way that Kingsway is
Another factor that's not been mentioned is the working environments the Ogden team are used to in their line of business. Spotland must seem, shall we say, "quaint" and if there's a viable opportunity to grasp the nettle and start afresh at a new-build stadium i'm pretty sure they'd be the first to look into it
On which note, if space could be found for a Dale move to Kingsway (and with the right will, there's additional space adjacent to the original footprint) their presence might just encourage higher-value tenants in due course |  |
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| Pitch update on 11:37 - Jan 15 with 3536 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 16:46 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
Much of that rings true, but Atom Valley isn't exactly embedded within Rochdale in the same way that Kingsway is
Another factor that's not been mentioned is the working environments the Ogden team are used to in their line of business. Spotland must seem, shall we say, "quaint" and if there's a viable opportunity to grasp the nettle and start afresh at a new-build stadium i'm pretty sure they'd be the first to look into it
On which note, if space could be found for a Dale move to Kingsway (and with the right will, there's additional space adjacent to the original footprint) their presence might just encourage higher-value tenants in due course |
Kingsway or AV it matters little, both have good motorway access and the surrounding area is away from housing so no real parking problems especially if we could get a bit of cooperation from places that dont work nights and Saturdays,
Kingsway of course also benefits from the tram stop......who knows there might also be room for a helicopter pad!.. another benefit for the Borough!
As some have pointed out a new stadium would also permit a number of peripheral businesses to piggy back around and inside it providing additional revenue.
A new ground, a new start... just the small matter of £10m +....but then you imagine the Ogdens know plenty of potential investors. | | | |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 with 3306 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Pitch update on 11:37 - Jan 15 by 49thseason |
Kingsway or AV it matters little, both have good motorway access and the surrounding area is away from housing so no real parking problems especially if we could get a bit of cooperation from places that dont work nights and Saturdays,
Kingsway of course also benefits from the tram stop......who knows there might also be room for a helicopter pad!.. another benefit for the Borough!
As some have pointed out a new stadium would also permit a number of peripheral businesses to piggy back around and inside it providing additional revenue.
A new ground, a new start... just the small matter of £10m +....but then you imagine the Ogdens know plenty of potential investors. |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |  | | |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 15 with 3239 views | BigKindo |
Could Willbutts Lane chippy be included in relocation plans? |  | | |
| Pitch update on 14:15 - Jan 15 with 3205 views | Daleaholic |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 15 by BigKindo |
Could Willbutts Lane chippy be included in relocation plans? |
Brick by brick. |  |
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| Pitch update on 15:42 - Jan 15 with 3066 views | finberty |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
And the top of Drake Street would not present the same risk of flooding that the bottom of Drake Street already does. Marvellous drainage potential. |  | | |
| Pitch update on 16:23 - Jan 15 with 2968 views | dawlishdale |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
As a comparison, Boston United's new ground which would probably be too small for us is thought to have cost £12m, whilst York City's stadium cost an eye watering £42m,
I thought the Council approved plans for 200 houses on the Drake St site not long ago? |  | | |
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| Pitch update on 16:37 - Jan 15 with 2913 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Pitch update on 16:23 - Jan 15 by dawlishdale |
As a comparison, Boston United's new ground which would probably be too small for us is thought to have cost £12m, whilst York City's stadium cost an eye watering £42m,
I thought the Council approved plans for 200 houses on the Drake St site not long ago? |
The council missed out on the last tranche of levelling up cash & last I read was waiting for funding to get the project moving. | | | |
| Pitch update on 17:02 - Jan 15 with 2796 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
We do have a ground to sell... potentially worth £5-6m ? | | | |
| Pitch update on 18:44 - Jan 15 with 2597 views | Rodingdale |
| Pitch update on 17:02 - Jan 15 by 49thseason |
We do have a ground to sell... potentially worth £5-6m ? |
I’d be interested to see your calculations on that valuation. Obviously you’ve taken into account abnormals, eg demolition? Your appraisal would need to allow for developers profit, fees, dpi, S106/CIL contributions, based on a scheme which would get planning consent. Having taken into account likely GDP of a site in a low to middling value location for Rochdale - you run the site through any developer appraisal model and come up with any positive value - I’d eat a pie with my pint in the Ratcliffe.
“a new start” Does not equal a financial turnaround. Proper financial stewardship with people who understand how to promote a product does.
The sooner the Ogdens bin Gauge and the current board the better. Putting Gauge in front of a relocation - honestly how do you think that would go??! | | | |
| Pitch update on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 2328 views | EllDale |
I like that logo and name “Dale Works”.
Simple and effective. | | | |
| Pitch update on 20:38 - Jan 15 with 2310 views | James1980 |
| Pitch update on 20:32 - Jan 15 by EllDale |
I like that logo and name “Dale Works”.
Simple and effective. |
Be interesting to know who the key drivers of this from the club were. | |
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| Pitch update on 22:25 - Jan 15 with 2118 views | Dalenet |
| Pitch update on 20:38 - Jan 15 by James1980 |
Be interesting to know who the key drivers of this from the club were. |
We have an excellent lead for Dale in the Community in Ryan Bradley. I suspect he will have led this.
I might be wrong, but I also don't believe that the Ogdens are looking at a new stadium. One day we might do so - and it will cost a good deal of money if it includes community facilities, training facilities, 24/7 conference and hospitality options and accommodation. But we are not ready for that level of financial investment (and risk). I am aware of at least one business working on the Spotland redevelopment plans - so I am keen to hear more over the next few months. If that can bring the revenue growth to meet a sustainable financial outcome I will be happy enough. [Post edited 16 Jan 8:39]
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| Pitch update on 22:42 - Jan 15 with 2086 views | James1980 |
| Pitch update on 22:25 - Jan 15 by Dalenet |
We have an excellent lead for Dale in the Community in Ryan Bradley. I suspect he will have led this.
I might be wrong, but I also don't believe that the Ogdens are looking at a new stadium. One day we might do so - and it will cost a good deal of money if it includes community facilities, training facilities, 24/7 conference and hospitality options and accommodation. But we are not ready for that level of financial investment (and risk). I am aware of at least one business working on the Spotland redevelopment plans - so I am keen to hear more over the next few months. If that can bring the revenue growth to meet a sustainable financial outcome I will be happy enough. [Post edited 16 Jan 8:39]
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Do any of the board play an integral part in the community trust? | |
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| Pitch update on 23:02 - Jan 15 with 2047 views | TVOS1907 |
| Pitch update on 22:42 - Jan 15 by James1980 |
Do any of the board play an integral part in the community trust? |
https://www.rochdaleafccommunity.org/ |  |
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| Pitch update on 05:51 - Jan 16 with 1852 views | TalkingSutty |
| Pitch update on 22:42 - Jan 15 by James1980 |
Do any of the board play an integral part in the community trust? |
No. They aren't governed by those running the football club thankfully and are grant funded by the EFL, PFA, Rochdale Council, National Lottery and other partners. They do some fantastic work and the job fair was a resounding success with about 600 people in attendance. I was surprised the football club didn't advertise the event on their social media platforms seeing as it was hosted at the club, I'm sure it would have been of interest to many amongst the fan base. Maybe they did and i missed it. [Post edited 16 Jan 6:05]
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| Pitch update on 06:54 - Jan 16 with 1806 views | James1980 |
| Pitch update on 05:51 - Jan 16 by TalkingSutty |
No. They aren't governed by those running the football club thankfully and are grant funded by the EFL, PFA, Rochdale Council, National Lottery and other partners. They do some fantastic work and the job fair was a resounding success with about 600 people in attendance. I was surprised the football club didn't advertise the event on their social media platforms seeing as it was hosted at the club, I'm sure it would have been of interest to many amongst the fan base. Maybe they did and i missed it. [Post edited 16 Jan 6:05]
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Especially as two RAFC board members are listed as trustees, I should stop being so lazy and do my own research. | |
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| Pitch update on 07:50 - Jan 16 with 1728 views | TalkingSutty |
| Pitch update on 06:54 - Jan 16 by James1980 |
Especially as two RAFC board members are listed as trustees, I should stop being so lazy and do my own research. |
Yes, good idea that. Why not submit a question to the Trust to ask on your behalf at the fans forum. If there is a Director who is responsible then he will probably address the room and explain the amount of involvement the club have. I've never heard of a individual Director having responsibility for this but then again we are told very little when it comes to how the club is run. I'll be very surprised if any success the football in the community has is driven by any of our Directors. [Post edited 16 Jan 8:37]
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| Pitch update on 08:42 - Jan 16 with 1617 views | Dalenet |
| Pitch update on 07:50 - Jan 16 by TalkingSutty |
Yes, good idea that. Why not submit a question to the Trust to ask on your behalf at the fans forum. If there is a Director who is responsible then he will probably address the room and explain the amount of involvement the club have. I've never heard of a individual Director having responsibility for this but then again we are told very little when it comes to how the club is run. I'll be very surprised if any success the football in the community has is driven by any of our Directors. [Post edited 16 Jan 8:37]
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But to be fair, Ryan Bradley was on the top table at a recent fans forum and he answered many questions in this area. With the Ogdens heavily engaged with the wider communiy purpose through their foundation I would think Ryan has good engagement with Cameron | | | |
| Pitch update on 08:47 - Jan 16 with 1614 views | TalkingSutty |
| Pitch update on 08:42 - Jan 16 by Dalenet |
But to be fair, Ryan Bradley was on the top table at a recent fans forum and he answered many questions in this area. With the Ogdens heavily engaged with the wider communiy purpose through their foundation I would think Ryan has good engagement with Cameron |
Thanks for that. I was commenting on those at the club who are responsible for the day to day running of it. James question was in relation to which of our current Directors has the responsibility, i wasn't sure there was one. | | | |
| Pitch update on 09:32 - Jan 16 with 1466 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 15 by BigKindo |
Could Willbutts Lane chippy be included in relocation plans? |
Or at least have them running the food kiosks and sell their chippy products. |  |
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| Pitch update on 12:22 - Jan 16 with 1155 views | rochedale |
The Ogdens have stumped up money to keep the club afloat short term, with a view to developing the club with the aim of making the club sustainable, regardless of on pitch success. You may as well forget a new ground as it won’t be on the Ogdens radar, or at least they won’t be paying for it. I hope I’m wrong as I’d love a new ground as I reckon it would attract a new group of fans, very very unlikely though. |  |
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| Pitch update on 19:12 - Jan 16 with 656 views | mikehunt |
I was wondering, what should come first the 5000 fans or a new ground? |  |
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