| Cardiff Riots 06:48 - May 23 with 18116 views | 1983 |
Looks like the SWP had the balls to turn up at this riot.
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| Cardiff Riots on 16:51 - May 28 with 1334 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:40 - May 28 by SullutaCreturned |
You yourself are incontravertible proof that what a person or persons believe can be a million miles from the truth. |
Or not! |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:48 - May 28 with 1291 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:34 - May 27 by majorraglan |
Partially, but the main fault lies in Westminster. |
Really , you've surprised me with that statement .Cardiff as an entity has the greatest job creation and opportunities than the rest of Wales put together and yet all we hear how deprived Ely is ,I bet all those living in so called poverty would love to be in a position to receive the £1800 bounty currently being offered by the AM representing Ely | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 20:13 - May 28 with 1257 views | bennytheblue |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:47 - May 27 by raynor94 |
Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Drakeford has been nothing but an unmitigated disaster for our Country, blaming Westminster is the easy option.
This incident happened on his patch |
Absolute belllend he is trying to offset the blame as ever…. |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:01 - May 28 with 1232 views | swan_si |
Was anybody else hurt in the crash? |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 23:32 - May 28 with 1186 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:53 - May 28 by Gwyn737 |
Spot on.
Westminster are liable for the size of the pie (in the main) and the Senedd are accountable for how it is spent. |
Wales gers a larger share of the pie it is just Drakeford cannot spend it properly.
It is also a myth that we have had a period of austerity for 13 years. Between 2010 and 2019 the UK economy grew by 2% a year. The Welsh budget fell in 2010 and 2011 as a result of the banking collapse under labour but by 2012 it was above the figure under the last labour government and it increased every year since by more than inflation. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 01:03 - May 29 with 1163 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 23:32 - May 28 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales gers a larger share of the pie it is just Drakeford cannot spend it properly.
It is also a myth that we have had a period of austerity for 13 years. Between 2010 and 2019 the UK economy grew by 2% a year. The Welsh budget fell in 2010 and 2011 as a result of the banking collapse under labour but by 2012 it was above the figure under the last labour government and it increased every year since by more than inflation. |
Not sure where you got your facts from, but they’re incorrect.
Between 2010 and 2019 the U.K. economy did not grow by 2% per year, that’s complete bull. The low growth rate was actually one of the issues Truss highlighted during her brief reign and to justify her budget. Your comment about the budgets is also incorrect, the WG budget increased in real terms between 1999 and 2010 and then decreased in real terms between 2010 and 2021 when they started to increase on account of Covid. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:16 - May 29 with 1122 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Riots on 23:32 - May 28 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales gers a larger share of the pie it is just Drakeford cannot spend it properly.
It is also a myth that we have had a period of austerity for 13 years. Between 2010 and 2019 the UK economy grew by 2% a year. The Welsh budget fell in 2010 and 2011 as a result of the banking collapse under labour but by 2012 it was above the figure under the last labour government and it increased every year since by more than inflation. |
If it wasn’t austerity then what happened to police numbers?
What happened to building hospitals and investment in medical training?
Why the reduction in social workers and health visitors?
Why did surestart centres have to be closed?
Why did schools funding freeze (and drop in real terms) between 2010 and 2019? (There’s a school buildings report the government are sitting on that will highlight a number of school are at a high likelihood of collapsing).
If it wasn’t austerity why did public sector spending reduce by around 14% in a decade? | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:26 - May 29 with 1108 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:16 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
If it wasn’t austerity then what happened to police numbers?
What happened to building hospitals and investment in medical training?
Why the reduction in social workers and health visitors?
Why did surestart centres have to be closed?
Why did schools funding freeze (and drop in real terms) between 2010 and 2019? (There’s a school buildings report the government are sitting on that will highlight a number of school are at a high likelihood of collapsing).
If it wasn’t austerity why did public sector spending reduce by around 14% in a decade? |
Police numbers didn’t and don’t cause this incident | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 08:39 - May 29 with 1106 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:26 - May 29 by onehunglow |
Police numbers didn’t and don’t cause this incident |
No they didn’t, I think the point Gwyn is making relates to austerity which saw a reduction in over 20,000 cops between 2010 and 2019. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:50 - May 29 with 1100 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:39 - May 29 by majorraglan |
No they didn’t, I think the point Gwyn is making relates to austerity which saw a reduction in over 20,000 cops between 2010 and 2019. |
That’s what I was alluding to.
Of course you could argue that austerity impacted on crime, not just through the reduction in police numbers onthe street, but the hit taken by the justice system including prison spending reductions, the closure of courts, increased waiting time for prosecutions and lack of community support such as early intervention.
All these happened though the decade of austerity. We all lived through it. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:26 - May 29 with 1081 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:39 - May 29 by majorraglan |
No they didn’t, I think the point Gwyn is making relates to austerity which saw a reduction in over 20,000 cops between 2010 and 2019. |
I’m well aware of the reduction in police numbers and also the craven attitude of chief Constables together with a supine Home Office.
Main issue is our social breakdown .
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:35 - May 29 with 1081 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:50 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
That’s what I was alluding to.
Of course you could argue that austerity impacted on crime, not just through the reduction in police numbers onthe street, but the hit taken by the justice system including prison spending reductions, the closure of courts, increased waiting time for prosecutions and lack of community support such as early intervention.
All these happened though the decade of austerity. We all lived through it. |
And I'm sure the vast majority of us have noticed the bad effects of that austerity. The general degradation in peoples behaviour, anti social behaviour increasing, crime increasing.
it could be true that budgets increased but if they increased by less than inflation then in real terms it's a cut. We see this all the time with pay deals, us ordinary people constantly having to accept below inflation rises whilst politicians get more and the uber rich (who really don't need the money) give themselves vast rises usually accounting for millions yet those people who work hard and are the generators of their wealth don't deserve an inflation matching rise.
I still say though, this isn't just the tories, this has been created by several decades of rubbish government, they have been greedy, self serving, short sighted and negligent. In fact, if most of us performed as poorly as our politicians have we'd have been made unemployed. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:11 - May 29 with 1051 views | Kilkennyjack |
The police need to do a better job.
Firstly do not lie to protect other officers.
Secondly understand that the are better ways of dealing with 2 young lads on a motorbike without creating a dangerous high speed chase situation through populated areas.
The independent inquiry will say both things.
The tragedy should never have happened.
South Wales Police need to do better.
That much is self evident already. [Post edited 29 May 2023 15:13]
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| Cardiff Riots on 15:19 - May 29 with 1044 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:11 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
The police need to do a better job.
Firstly do not lie to protect other officers.
Secondly understand that the are better ways of dealing with 2 young lads on a motorbike without creating a dangerous high speed chase situation through populated areas.
The independent inquiry will say both things.
The tragedy should never have happened.
South Wales Police need to do better.
That much is self evident already. [Post edited 29 May 2023 15:13]
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It wasn't a high speed chase, was the police van using lights and sirens which it would in the situation you suggest.
How would you hande this? In a better world they would have been stopped, the illegal bike confiscated and the parents given a rollocking for buying it and letting the 2 boys ride it on the roads.
Those boys were breaking the law, it's sad that they died but the police didn't cause this, those boys and the parenst who bought the bike did. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:17 - May 29 with 1005 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:19 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
It wasn't a high speed chase, was the police van using lights and sirens which it would in the situation you suggest.
How would you hande this? In a better world they would have been stopped, the illegal bike confiscated and the parents given a rollocking for buying it and letting the 2 boys ride it on the roads.
Those boys were breaking the law, it's sad that they died but the police didn't cause this, those boys and the parenst who bought the bike did. |
It doesn’t have to be high speed at all.
It’s how these clowns ride/ drive vehicles.
None have ever had. Lesson.
Think on that
Few have a driving licence
Fewer still insurance
They are reckless and this time they have paid the price .
One of these arrested 40 times and his family say it didn’t change him.
So there
Actions have consequences
Meanwhile,spare a thought for disabled ,vulnerable,elderly folk who are fair game for these rats as they charge around the streets carefree.
Get a grip folks ,please . [Post edited 29 May 2023 16:18]
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:05 - May 29 with 961 views | controversial_jack |
Seems the Met want to stop going to mental issue calls now.I know they are not specifically trained, but they are the first line of call for those in difficulty
Have they forgotten that their purpose to exist is to protect the people and property. One job they have. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:09 - May 29 with 959 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:17 - May 29 by onehunglow |
It doesn’t have to be high speed at all.
It’s how these clowns ride/ drive vehicles.
None have ever had. Lesson.
Think on that
Few have a driving licence
Fewer still insurance
They are reckless and this time they have paid the price .
One of these arrested 40 times and his family say it didn’t change him.
So there
Actions have consequences
Meanwhile,spare a thought for disabled ,vulnerable,elderly folk who are fair game for these rats as they charge around the streets carefree.
Get a grip folks ,please . [Post edited 29 May 2023 16:18]
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Personally I am more concerned about the damage done to the property of the innocent. I wasn't even aware of the number of arrests. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 22:02 - May 29 with 931 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:09 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Personally I am more concerned about the damage done to the property of the innocent. I wasn't even aware of the number of arrests. |
They cost decent folk country wide millions | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 22:18 - May 29 with 921 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:09 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Personally I am more concerned about the damage done to the property of the innocent. I wasn't even aware of the number of arrests. |
What number of arrests ? | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 15:28 - May 30 with 829 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 22:18 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
What number of arrests ? |
Read OHL's post. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:41 - May 30 with 817 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:17 - May 29 by onehunglow |
It doesn’t have to be high speed at all.
It’s how these clowns ride/ drive vehicles.
None have ever had. Lesson.
Think on that
Few have a driving licence
Fewer still insurance
They are reckless and this time they have paid the price .
One of these arrested 40 times and his family say it didn’t change him.
So there
Actions have consequences
Meanwhile,spare a thought for disabled ,vulnerable,elderly folk who are fair game for these rats as they charge around the streets carefree.
Get a grip folks ,please . [Post edited 29 May 2023 16:18]
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Can I just double check something? Are you saying 1 of the 2 kids killed in the collision had previously been arrested 40 times? I’m not doubting you, but it’s not something I’ve seen that mentioned anywhere before.
Edit -typo [Post edited 30 May 2023 23:25]
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| Cardiff Riots on 17:27 - May 30 with 801 views | Kilkennyjack |
You have misread his post, i believe.
What do i care ?! | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 22:31 - May 30 with 759 views | Boundy |
Comments by a local councillor for the ward , Irony obviously lost , when the Police do just that they're accused of all sorts.
"When they see bikes coming down Grand Avenue doing wheelies, they want the police to do something about that, not just turn a blind eye. When you have got anti-social behaviour taking place on Mill Road, they want the authorities to do something about that." Cllr Kaaba said she would like to see the police being more connected with certain communities, adding: "I get a sense that that is what is needed - more visibility, more connection, more conversations and more of being integrated with what is going on here." | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 08:27 - May 31 with 726 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:11 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
The police need to do a better job.
Firstly do not lie to protect other officers.
Secondly understand that the are better ways of dealing with 2 young lads on a motorbike without creating a dangerous high speed chase situation through populated areas.
The independent inquiry will say both things.
The tragedy should never have happened.
South Wales Police need to do better.
That much is self evident already. [Post edited 29 May 2023 15:13]
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Only it was not a high speed chase ass all CCTV videos have shown with the police van being half a mile away and on a different road. The police did not lie they never chased it and only followed it because the lads rode down a road a police van happen to driving along The lads of course did a U turn so both bike and Police van ended up going in the same direction before the police van turned into a different road.
I would have thought you would be supporting a police force with the name of WALES in it .
The only people responsible for the accident were the boys riding the bike and their feckless parents for buying it with no regard to safety of their boys or even the public they endangered. They might have considered getting cycle helmets or even crash helmets but they had no regards to safety at all. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 08:32 - May 31 with 722 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:05 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
Seems the Met want to stop going to mental issue calls now.I know they are not specifically trained, but they are the first line of call for those in difficulty
Have they forgotten that their purpose to exist is to protect the people and property. One job they have. |
Not sure what the met have to do with Cardiff but as you brought it up perhaps our bone idle civil servants, aka social services who paid to look after these people, could do their job properly and be on call 24 hours a day not 9 to 5 or working from home. | |
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