| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught 17:23 - Apr 26 with 4988 views | Jules4367 |
In the post on Laird it is suggested that he is better/ preferred than Drewe.
I like the long throw in attack option with Dykes and Martin that Laird doesn't seem to give.
So should we attack attack attack and try to get goals or defend heavily and only try the break outs.
Personally, i would like Gareth to say ' go for the attacking option and if they score one, we score two but at least get a draw and try for the win. I fear though we will sit back and invite pressure!
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 11:09 - Apr 27 with 1103 views | Rangersw12 |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 10:14 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
Like I've said before, most people have a myopic view of Wild Thing as a manager. He just hasn't had the resources at Wycombe to play expansively. But if you look at our attacking play against West Brom and Burnley - both away from home, let's not forget - we got runners around the front two and actually created decent chances, scoring two goals in both games.
That means our attacking efficiency has shot up, AND we actually defended brilliantly in both games, with the exception of that disastrous opening ten minutes against West Brom.
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We we were very fortunate at Burnley and if it wasn't for a couple of last ditch goal line clearences would have been 2/3 down at HT
2nd half much better but still a very lucky result. I thought we played better at WBA and probably our best game under GA bar the first 15 mins
11 games is quite good sample size to judge how a manager is going to play and let's be honest if he had no connection to the club he would be getting even more pelters for the style of play.
Anyway looking forward to Stoke to see two banks of four and go for a nil nil
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 11:22 - Apr 27 with 1056 views | E15Hoop |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 11:09 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
We we were very fortunate at Burnley and if it wasn't for a couple of last ditch goal line clearences would have been 2/3 down at HT
2nd half much better but still a very lucky result. I thought we played better at WBA and probably our best game under GA bar the first 15 mins
11 games is quite good sample size to judge how a manager is going to play and let's be honest if he had no connection to the club he would be getting even more pelters for the style of play.
Anyway looking forward to Stoke to see two banks of four and go for a nil nil
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AGAIN, as I have said before, you make the myopic mistake of confusing the "plan for right now" - to get us safely over the line and still playing Championship football next season- with the "ultimate plan" whcih will be to get us playing in the most successful style for the balance of players that we have in the squad, whatever that happens to be.
AGAIN I have actually listened to what the man himself has had to say, rather than imposing my own preconceived short-sightedness on what I'm seeing, as others seem intent to do.
I'm sure you would agree that there are too many variables to come to a proper, balanced, fair summary of what things are likely to look like going forwards, with 8 out of contract first-teamers possibly leaving over the summer. | | | |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 12:42 - Apr 27 with 977 views | Rangersw12 |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 11:22 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
AGAIN, as I have said before, you make the myopic mistake of confusing the "plan for right now" - to get us safely over the line and still playing Championship football next season- with the "ultimate plan" whcih will be to get us playing in the most successful style for the balance of players that we have in the squad, whatever that happens to be.
AGAIN I have actually listened to what the man himself has had to say, rather than imposing my own preconceived short-sightedness on what I'm seeing, as others seem intent to do.
I'm sure you would agree that there are too many variables to come to a proper, balanced, fair summary of what things are likely to look like going forwards, with 8 out of contract first-teamers possibly leaving over the summer. |
11 games here and 10 years at another club with the same style.
If you think he's suddenly going to change his style for us then you're going to be disappointed
There is a reason why we haven't touched him with a barge pole for years but fingers crossed it's successful and not another baby out with the bathwater kind of decision! [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 12:45]
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 12:56 - Apr 27 with 947 views | Bluce_Ree |
We're not beating Stoke. All I hope is that Wigan (who can't catch up) beat Reading. That puts us out of their reach and then we're just worrying about Blackpool who need to win twice to catch us.
Basically, if Reading lose and Blackpool drop any points at all, then it's a dick party in Michael Beale's mouth and you're all invited. |  |
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:03 - Apr 27 with 931 views | E15Hoop |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 12:42 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
11 games here and 10 years at another club with the same style.
If you think he's suddenly going to change his style for us then you're going to be disappointed
There is a reason why we haven't touched him with a barge pole for years but fingers crossed it's successful and not another baby out with the bathwater kind of decision! [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 12:45]
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Don't agree, for all the reasons I've stated repeatedly over the last couple of weeks or so.
You haven't factored in any kind of context, nor have you given any obvious thought to why he decided to leave a "job for life" at Wycombe to come back to our little basket case of a dysfunctional club, knowing that he would have a lot of work to do.
You don't take into account his development work with Ebere Eze, Anas Mehmeti and what he clearly wants to do with Taylor Richards, given the opportunity.
However, if you wish to stay put in your myopia, then i guesss you will find plenty of reasons to be miserable next season and beyond. | | | |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:12 - Apr 27 with 904 views | Loyalitat |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 12:42 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
11 games here and 10 years at another club with the same style.
If you think he's suddenly going to change his style for us then you're going to be disappointed
There is a reason why we haven't touched him with a barge pole for years but fingers crossed it's successful and not another baby out with the bathwater kind of decision! [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 12:45]
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Totally agree. There will be no discernible change in the myopic style of football espoused by Ainsworth. Were we to stay up this season, I'm fearful for the next, as I can't see this crude approach yielding sufficient points for championship safety..
Interesting to note that Wycombe under their new boss are starting to slowly move away from the Ainsworth brand.
Eze was only at Wycombe for half-a-season, so it's stretching it to say that Ainsworth's input in his development was significant. [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 13:27]
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:13 - Apr 27 with 900 views | E15Hoop |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 12:56 - Apr 27 by Bluce_Ree |
We're not beating Stoke. All I hope is that Wigan (who can't catch up) beat Reading. That puts us out of their reach and then we're just worrying about Blackpool who need to win twice to catch us.
Basically, if Reading lose and Blackpool drop any points at all, then it's a dick party in Michael Beale's mouth and you're all invited. |
You've just put me off my lunch, Bluce!  | | | |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:40 - Apr 27 with 878 views | Rangersw12 |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:03 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
Don't agree, for all the reasons I've stated repeatedly over the last couple of weeks or so.
You haven't factored in any kind of context, nor have you given any obvious thought to why he decided to leave a "job for life" at Wycombe to come back to our little basket case of a dysfunctional club, knowing that he would have a lot of work to do.
You don't take into account his development work with Ebere Eze, Anas Mehmeti and what he clearly wants to do with Taylor Richards, given the opportunity.
However, if you wish to stay put in your myopia, then i guesss you will find plenty of reasons to be miserable next season and beyond. |
Christ he hasn't done us a favour leaving Wycombe FFS, we're a massive step up!
We are more than likely paying him a lot more and he will also be able to go back if it all goes tits up
As for the rest the proof will be in the pudding and we will get an indicator with what sort of players he signs in the summer | | | |
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:48 - Apr 27 with 852 views | E15Hoop |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:40 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
Christ he hasn't done us a favour leaving Wycombe FFS, we're a massive step up!
We are more than likely paying him a lot more and he will also be able to go back if it all goes tits up
As for the rest the proof will be in the pudding and we will get an indicator with what sort of players he signs in the summer |
Hmm..not sure I agree with a "massive step up" given our relative league positions currently.
Yes, he's more than likely getting a shed load more cash. I'd want that too for the increased load of sh*t I'd be getting from the board and a portion of the club's own fanbase!
Don't think he's guaranteed to walk back in there if it all goes "tits up" with us. Sure he'd get a great reference, but not necessarily the red carpet rolled out, especially if Matt Bloomfield (another longtime servant of the club) does well there.
And yes, I agree with you on player recruitment, as I myself said. I'd trust him with that a whole lot more than many other possible candidates I could think of. | | | |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 14:31 - Apr 27 with 804 views | E15Hoop |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 13:12 - Apr 27 by Loyalitat |
Totally agree. There will be no discernible change in the myopic style of football espoused by Ainsworth. Were we to stay up this season, I'm fearful for the next, as I can't see this crude approach yielding sufficient points for championship safety..
Interesting to note that Wycombe under their new boss are starting to slowly move away from the Ainsworth brand.
Eze was only at Wycombe for half-a-season, so it's stretching it to say that Ainsworth's input in his development was significant. [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 13:27]
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So you're disagreeing with me, even when Eze himself said it, are you?? | | | |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 15:05 - Apr 27 with 776 views | R_from_afar |
No doubt a certain person will be along soon to contradict me - as is their right, this is a discussion forum, after all - but having seen a lot of Wycombe games live in the last five or six years, I would not describe Ainsworth's WWFC as a long ball team.
Did they take as many touches in their own half as we used to under Warbs? No, but equally, I can only remember one occasion when I saw endless launches upfield and that was by Allsop, their 'keeper at the time, at the tail end of a cup game they were losing against a much better team.
I recall Warnock using Helgusson as a targetman and Gareth liked to do that at Wycombe but I truly cannot recall his teams resorting to aimless hoofing. They did like to get the ball forward quickly but it was often by passing down the wings and by no means always aerially.
Talking of Warnock, I'm sure he once said no way did he want his teams to take 20 touches to get into the opposition half.
I've seen Ainsworth make good use of shorter players who can run and pass. I don't recall Wycombe's teams under Gareth looking like Pulis era Stoke "land of the giants" ones. Scott Kashket did pretty well for Gareth for a while and he was young, quick and below average height. Above all else, I think Gaz worked with what he could get his hands on so I think if we can develop or acquire more cultured players, he'll incorporate them into his strategy.
Managers can change the way they play, too. Holloway was out of the game for a while, watched a lot of football and came back with a more attacking and exciting 4-3-3 approach. Even Pulis adopted a more progressive style for a while, at Palace.
Why don't we just have an open mind about what Gareth will do when he's no longer in a do or die situation like he is now, clearing up other managers' mess? |  |
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| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 09:28 - Apr 28 with 594 views | TheChef |
| Stoke- Should we attack attack attack and get caught or defend and get caught on 15:05 - Apr 27 by R_from_afar |
No doubt a certain person will be along soon to contradict me - as is their right, this is a discussion forum, after all - but having seen a lot of Wycombe games live in the last five or six years, I would not describe Ainsworth's WWFC as a long ball team.
Did they take as many touches in their own half as we used to under Warbs? No, but equally, I can only remember one occasion when I saw endless launches upfield and that was by Allsop, their 'keeper at the time, at the tail end of a cup game they were losing against a much better team.
I recall Warnock using Helgusson as a targetman and Gareth liked to do that at Wycombe but I truly cannot recall his teams resorting to aimless hoofing. They did like to get the ball forward quickly but it was often by passing down the wings and by no means always aerially.
Talking of Warnock, I'm sure he once said no way did he want his teams to take 20 touches to get into the opposition half.
I've seen Ainsworth make good use of shorter players who can run and pass. I don't recall Wycombe's teams under Gareth looking like Pulis era Stoke "land of the giants" ones. Scott Kashket did pretty well for Gareth for a while and he was young, quick and below average height. Above all else, I think Gaz worked with what he could get his hands on so I think if we can develop or acquire more cultured players, he'll incorporate them into his strategy.
Managers can change the way they play, too. Holloway was out of the game for a while, watched a lot of football and came back with a more attacking and exciting 4-3-3 approach. Even Pulis adopted a more progressive style for a while, at Palace.
Why don't we just have an open mind about what Gareth will do when he's no longer in a do or die situation like he is now, clearing up other managers' mess? |
Great post.
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