| Back To The 80s 20:45 - Jan 29 with 6977 views | HullDale |
- Sexist (& abusive) chanting from people in the away end - I won't call them fans.
- Homophobic chanting from the home end.
- Missiles thrown from the home end.
- Stupid kick offs on the footy fields near Elk Mill after full time.
Fair play to the club for a fast and measured response but, especially at a time when we are trying to get goodwill to support the directors / trust, parts of today made it feel embarassing to be a Dale fan. |  | | |  |
| Back To The 80s on 20:57 - Jan 29 with 6903 views | boromat |
It seems some think it's then acceptable to try and warrant the sexist abuse on social media...
If anyone knows him. Have a word. [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 21:13]
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| Back To The 80s on 21:06 - Jan 29 with 6839 views | TVOS1907 |
| Back To The 80s on 20:57 - Jan 29 by boromat |
It seems some think it's then acceptable to try and warrant the sexist abuse on social media...
If anyone knows him. Have a word. [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 21:13]
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After seeing his Twitter, I doubt it would make much difference. |  |
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| Back To The 80s on 21:48 - Jan 29 with 6646 views | D_Alien |
| Back To The 80s on 21:06 - Jan 29 by TVOS1907 |
After seeing his Twitter, I doubt it would make much difference. |
Thank goodness we no longer have 'certain individuals' who used to try to justify it on here |  |
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| Back To The 80s on 22:06 - Jan 29 with 6561 views | SuddenLad |
Play was halted today at Wycombe, when Akinfenwa, warming up as a substitute, was subjected to vile (non-racial) abuse by visiting MK Dons fans.
Referee stopped play, Akinfenwa confronted the abusers, complained to the stewards and at least one fan was ejected.
Tannoy announcements were broadcast,MK players tried to halt the chants and play eventually resumed.
Poor day all round for the reputation of some louts who masquerade as football supporters. |  |
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| Back To The 80s on 09:36 - Jan 30 with 6063 views | 1907 |
Well that’s Mason Greenwood’s career over. Could always tell there was something wrong about him. Southgate knew it. | | | |
| Back To The 80s on 09:52 - Jan 30 with 6024 views | SuddenLad |
He won't get much sympathy (nor should he) from anywhere. That shocking voice recording is him finished. Hopefully. | |
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| Back To The 80s on 12:21 - Jan 30 with 5717 views | DaleiLama |
https://www.efl.com/news/2022/january/efl-statement-crowd-behaviour/
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of this, the comment "The EFL is disappointed that on a day when the footballing focus was on our League competition, the discussion is once again about matters off the pitch" is a bit rich imho.
It would have been much better if Dale fans only had the derby to focus on yesterday instead of having to fight an expensive legal battle against people who have demonstrably been shown to be far from fit and proper. So EFL, if you are reading this, we are very disappointed that the custodian of the league has disappeared into it's bunker and not put this to bed months ago. You've got one job. Do it. |  |
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| Back To The 80s on 20:00 - Jan 30 with 5386 views | dalenumber2 |
| Back To The 80s on 20:57 - Jan 29 by boromat |
It seems some think it's then acceptable to try and warrant the sexist abuse on social media...
If anyone knows him. Have a word. [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 21:13]
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Plenty more comments, and worse, like this on the RAFC Appreciation Facebook page today. So depressing. |  | | |
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| Back To The 80s on 20:13 - Jan 30 with 5326 views | TomRAFC |
It's almost beyond belief that in a season where the club flagged Andy Curran for homophobia and Abraham Odoh was a victim of racist abuse online, that we have sexist chants away and the N word being played over the tannoy at home. | |
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| Back To The 80s on 21:47 - Jan 30 with 5194 views | CanaDale |
Ugh I can't believe this! The UK tries to paint this image that it's so diverse etc, but at it's core it has extreme racist and sexist beliefs. These kinds of 'people' need to be educated, but I feel these are too far gone. This needs to be taught in schools, or the country will just get more and more like a dog's dinner. |  | | |
| Back To The 80s on 22:04 - Jan 30 with 5149 views | TVOS1907 |
| Back To The 80s on 21:47 - Jan 30 by CanaDale |
Ugh I can't believe this! The UK tries to paint this image that it's so diverse etc, but at it's core it has extreme racist and sexist beliefs. These kinds of 'people' need to be educated, but I feel these are too far gone. This needs to be taught in schools, or the country will just get more and more like a dog's dinner. |
What sort of thing needs to be taught in schools?
If it's what I think you're meaning, then it is taught in schools, both explicitly through PSHE and RS lessons, as well as through general expected standards of respect, behaviour and attitudes across the curriculum.
Surely your point should have included "This mainly needs to be taught at home by parents".
However, whoever does the teaching, what these individuals then choose to do, say or sing at football matches is sadly beyond the control of schools, parents and probably anyone else. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 22:09]
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| Back To The 80s on 22:16 - Jan 30 with 5074 views | CanaDale |
| Back To The 80s on 22:04 - Jan 30 by TVOS1907 |
What sort of thing needs to be taught in schools?
If it's what I think you're meaning, then it is taught in schools, both explicitly through PSHE and RS lessons, as well as through general expected standards of respect, behaviour and attitudes across the curriculum.
Surely your point should have included "This mainly needs to be taught at home by parents".
However, whoever does the teaching, what these individuals then choose to do, say or sing at football matches is sadly beyond the control of schools, parents and probably anyone else. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 22:09]
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Respect for women etc and just being a decent person in society. So many of these kids don't have any social skills at all, and yes it needs to be taught at home also. But often the parents don't care, because they get that sort of behavior from them anyway. It's just soul destroying to hear about | | | |
| Back To The 80s on 22:36 - Jan 30 with 5022 views | TVOS1907 |
| Back To The 80s on 22:16 - Jan 30 by CanaDale |
Respect for women etc and just being a decent person in society. So many of these kids don't have any social skills at all, and yes it needs to be taught at home also. But often the parents don't care, because they get that sort of behavior from them anyway. It's just soul destroying to hear about |
"Respect for women etc and just being a decent person in society. "
These things are taught in schools every day and probably in every lesson.
What happens beyond then is beyond a school's control. | |
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| Back To The 80s on 22:44 - Jan 30 with 5002 views | SuddenLad |
| Back To The 80s on 22:04 - Jan 30 by TVOS1907 |
What sort of thing needs to be taught in schools?
If it's what I think you're meaning, then it is taught in schools, both explicitly through PSHE and RS lessons, as well as through general expected standards of respect, behaviour and attitudes across the curriculum.
Surely your point should have included "This mainly needs to be taught at home by parents".
However, whoever does the teaching, what these individuals then choose to do, say or sing at football matches is sadly beyond the control of schools, parents and probably anyone else. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 22:09]
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I agree 100% with the point you make.
However, whilst we are referring to things by initials, WTF is PHSE and RS? I'm guessing the latter is nothing to do with our current manager. | |
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| Back To The 80s on 22:54 - Jan 30 with 4980 views | TVOS1907 |
| Back To The 80s on 22:44 - Jan 30 by SuddenLad |
I agree 100% with the point you make.
However, whilst we are referring to things by initials, WTF is PHSE and RS? I'm guessing the latter is nothing to do with our current manager. |
PSHE - Personal, Social & Health Education
RS - Robbie, sorry, Religious Studies | |
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| Back To The 80s on 23:03 - Jan 30 with 4949 views | CanaDale |
| Back To The 80s on 22:36 - Jan 30 by TVOS1907 |
"Respect for women etc and just being a decent person in society. "
These things are taught in schools every day and probably in every lesson.
What happens beyond then is beyond a school's control. |
These sorts of people are part of a society that seems to not be able to handle when they're not the centre of attention, or spoiled to the point where they aren't used to being told no. I thought we'd got past the stage of pointless sexist remarks, simply because women want to go watch a game and enjoy themselves. Makes me embarrassed to be a fan and a man in these moments. I agree that it's not the schools fault, I just wish we'd be more accepting as a society. | | | |
| Back To The 80s on 23:32 - Jan 30 with 4924 views | SuddenLad |
| Back To The 80s on 22:54 - Jan 30 by TVOS1907 |
PSHE - Personal, Social & Health Education
RS - Robbie, sorry, Religious Studies |
Thank you. Religious Knowledge in my day. Never heard of the other. | |
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| Back To The 80s on 00:08 - Jan 31 with 4877 views | D_Alien |
| Back To The 80s on 23:03 - Jan 30 by CanaDale |
These sorts of people are part of a society that seems to not be able to handle when they're not the centre of attention, or spoiled to the point where they aren't used to being told no. I thought we'd got past the stage of pointless sexist remarks, simply because women want to go watch a game and enjoy themselves. Makes me embarrassed to be a fan and a man in these moments. I agree that it's not the schools fault, I just wish we'd be more accepting as a society. |
Which society are you referring to though? The UK or where your username indicates you now reside?
Its not an "our society" issue, anyway
Its a worldwide issue with human nature, hence my point about there being no easy answers earlier
There's still a long way to go, but the fact this sort of behaviour now brings widespread condemnation gives me cause for hope
Schools have an incredibly tough job in bringing kids towards adulthood with basic literacy & numeracy in many cases
All we can do is continue to call out this type of behaviour wherever it happens, continuing to get the point across slowly but surely | |
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| Back To The 80s on 23:41 - Jan 31 with 4304 views | Rog_Dale |
| Back To The 80s on 00:08 - Jan 31 by D_Alien |
Which society are you referring to though? The UK or where your username indicates you now reside?
Its not an "our society" issue, anyway
Its a worldwide issue with human nature, hence my point about there being no easy answers earlier
There's still a long way to go, but the fact this sort of behaviour now brings widespread condemnation gives me cause for hope
Schools have an incredibly tough job in bringing kids towards adulthood with basic literacy & numeracy in many cases
All we can do is continue to call out this type of behaviour wherever it happens, continuing to get the point across slowly but surely |
The so-called appreciation Society on fb and their admins have been a disgrace on this issue. So many there seem to think this is a laughing matter - probably the same idiots that were singing this. Reassuring to see the comments here on this thread! [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 23:46]
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| Back To The 80s on 00:10 - Feb 1 with 4248 views | Shun |
| Back To The 80s on 23:41 - Jan 31 by Rog_Dale |
The so-called appreciation Society on fb and their admins have been a disgrace on this issue. So many there seem to think this is a laughing matter - probably the same idiots that were singing this. Reassuring to see the comments here on this thread! [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 23:46]
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I was actually shocked to read the posts on that group. Vile people who I wouldn’t ever want to meet in real life. God help whichever unlucky woman ends up with any of them. |  | | |
| Back To The 80s on 19:54 - Feb 19 with 3684 views | HullDale |
Giving this a bump as it seemed to be a group of the same lads causing problems today.
No interest in the game, offensive chanting, pitch invasions, pyros, openly dealing drugs in the toilet.
We'll probably get fined now for the pyros and the pitch invasions - money I'm sure we could do without spending.
Aside from the money, reputationally its a nightmare. We have a board and supporters fighting legal action, tooth and nail to save the club, and relying on goodwill from other clubs to support the cause. There are trolls on social media clearly trying to cause trouble (I'd wager on behalf of Southall / Curran / Jarvis et al) and this is just giving them so much ammo.
I don't know what the answer is (I'm not ashamed to admit it would be intimidating to confront them).... some clubs take local coppers with them to away games to spot repeat offenders - paying for that might be cheaper than repeated fines etc. | | | |
| Back To The 80s on 20:30 - Feb 19 with 3527 views | D_Alien |
| Back To The 80s on 19:54 - Feb 19 by HullDale |
Giving this a bump as it seemed to be a group of the same lads causing problems today.
No interest in the game, offensive chanting, pitch invasions, pyros, openly dealing drugs in the toilet.
We'll probably get fined now for the pyros and the pitch invasions - money I'm sure we could do without spending.
Aside from the money, reputationally its a nightmare. We have a board and supporters fighting legal action, tooth and nail to save the club, and relying on goodwill from other clubs to support the cause. There are trolls on social media clearly trying to cause trouble (I'd wager on behalf of Southall / Curran / Jarvis et al) and this is just giving them so much ammo.
I don't know what the answer is (I'm not ashamed to admit it would be intimidating to confront them).... some clubs take local coppers with them to away games to spot repeat offenders - paying for that might be cheaper than repeated fines etc. |
I fully agree HD
Once this type of behaviour starts, the use of mobile phones would be one way of bringing those involved to account. Only if its safe to do so, of course, i.e. several responsible people in a group all using their phones to identify the culprits, then submitting the footage to the club
No doubt some will make the accusation of "snitching on fellow Dale fans". I'd say its exactly the opposite - it's those involved dragging the club's name through the mud at a time (as you say) when we're fighting a battle against much more malign forces
If we can take those forces on, i'm sure we can find it within us all to take on these morons too, in a non-confrontational but perfectly legitimate way | |
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| Back To The 80s on 20:34 - Feb 19 with 3516 views | TomRAFC |
| Back To The 80s on 19:54 - Feb 19 by HullDale |
Giving this a bump as it seemed to be a group of the same lads causing problems today.
No interest in the game, offensive chanting, pitch invasions, pyros, openly dealing drugs in the toilet.
We'll probably get fined now for the pyros and the pitch invasions - money I'm sure we could do without spending.
Aside from the money, reputationally its a nightmare. We have a board and supporters fighting legal action, tooth and nail to save the club, and relying on goodwill from other clubs to support the cause. There are trolls on social media clearly trying to cause trouble (I'd wager on behalf of Southall / Curran / Jarvis et al) and this is just giving them so much ammo.
I don't know what the answer is (I'm not ashamed to admit it would be intimidating to confront them).... some clubs take local coppers with them to away games to spot repeat offenders - paying for that might be cheaper than repeated fines etc. |
Couldn't make the game but watched on iFollow, plenty of faces were visible during the pitch invasion. If the club watch it, publicly condemn it, and ban them then there is little more we can do. Hopefully that would stem any reputational issues.
If we don't come down on it then, as much as it pains me to say it, we would deserve a fine and a bit of a dent in our reputation.
They can be pretty intimidating. I called out a racist lad away at Salford, and a group in the Sandy the game after Odoh was racially abused online. It's not what I go to the football for, but I hardly think they're coming because they enjoy football. [Post edited 19 Feb 2022 20:36]
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| Back To The 80s on 20:34 - Feb 19 with 3514 views | kel |
| Back To The 80s on 20:30 - Feb 19 by D_Alien |
I fully agree HD
Once this type of behaviour starts, the use of mobile phones would be one way of bringing those involved to account. Only if its safe to do so, of course, i.e. several responsible people in a group all using their phones to identify the culprits, then submitting the footage to the club
No doubt some will make the accusation of "snitching on fellow Dale fans". I'd say its exactly the opposite - it's those involved dragging the club's name through the mud at a time (as you say) when we're fighting a battle against much more malign forces
If we can take those forces on, i'm sure we can find it within us all to take on these morons too, in a non-confrontational but perfectly legitimate way |
I commented on Twitter about these idiots today and was told to just enjoy my evening and the result. I despair sometimes. |  | | |
| Back To The 80s on 20:34 - Feb 19 with 3511 views | James1980 |
| Back To The 80s on 19:54 - Feb 19 by HullDale |
Giving this a bump as it seemed to be a group of the same lads causing problems today.
No interest in the game, offensive chanting, pitch invasions, pyros, openly dealing drugs in the toilet.
We'll probably get fined now for the pyros and the pitch invasions - money I'm sure we could do without spending.
Aside from the money, reputationally its a nightmare. We have a board and supporters fighting legal action, tooth and nail to save the club, and relying on goodwill from other clubs to support the cause. There are trolls on social media clearly trying to cause trouble (I'd wager on behalf of Southall / Curran / Jarvis et al) and this is just giving them so much ammo.
I don't know what the answer is (I'm not ashamed to admit it would be intimidating to confront them).... some clubs take local coppers with them to away games to spot repeat offenders - paying for that might be cheaper than repeated fines etc. |
Report the trolls. | |
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