| My todger is bigger than yours thread. 22:21 - Jan 31 with 36092 views | magicdaps10 |
Thank fook for that money this window, if it was not for that lovely gesture then we would have ended up with a average player at best. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 7:28]
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| The yanks extra 10M on 14:38 - Feb 4 with 1335 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:36 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
The best bets in the house can be found on the craps table. |
If by "best" you mean least worst then I agree.
Any bet where the edge is against you, no matter how small, is never a good bet. |  |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 14:42 - Feb 4 with 1327 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:38 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
If by "best" you mean least worst then I agree.
Any bet where the edge is against you, no matter how small, is never a good bet. |
Then you’re a dull boy. Gambling is meant to be fun. That’s why I love craps - terrific game.
And anyway, the best bets i’m referring to have no house edge. |  | | |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:45 - Feb 4 with 1319 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:42 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
Then you’re a dull boy. Gambling is meant to be fun. That’s why I love craps - terrific game.
And anyway, the best bets i’m referring to have no house edge. |
I am dull for stating the fact that any bet where you have more value chance of losing than winning is not a good bet? Interesting theory, up there with Trampies.
If fun is what you are seeking and find it in table games, then great. But the fun factor is not what the discussion is about, it is about edge and profitability.
The lowest edge you can get to on a craps table is 1.4% in the house favour. (Unless you make an odds bet, but that is essentially betting on heads or tails. No edge for the player and a waste of time profitability wise). [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 14:48]
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| The yanks extra 10M on 14:52 - Feb 4 with 1297 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:45 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
I am dull for stating the fact that any bet where you have more value chance of losing than winning is not a good bet? Interesting theory, up there with Trampies.
If fun is what you are seeking and find it in table games, then great. But the fun factor is not what the discussion is about, it is about edge and profitability.
The lowest edge you can get to on a craps table is 1.4% in the house favour. (Unless you make an odds bet, but that is essentially betting on heads or tails. No edge for the player and a waste of time profitability wise). [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 14:48]
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Ok, maybe boring is a better word.
But craps is a complicated game in terms of the bets you make. If you don’t know how to play it and resort to googling, then you will come up with comments like you just did about the lowest house edge being 1.4%.
So this has been helpful discussion. Google is not always your friend.
Ah - then you made the edit and added “Unless you make an odds bet, but that is essentially betting on heads or tails. No edge for the player and a waste of time profitability wise”. So now I know for absolute sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.
The odds bet is the best bet in the casino. It’s the only one where the house pays out the genuine odds of an outcome, with no edge or commission. It’s nothing like heads or tails. [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 14:55]
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| The yanks extra 10M on 14:57 - Feb 4 with 1287 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:52 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
Ok, maybe boring is a better word.
But craps is a complicated game in terms of the bets you make. If you don’t know how to play it and resort to googling, then you will come up with comments like you just did about the lowest house edge being 1.4%.
So this has been helpful discussion. Google is not always your friend.
Ah - then you made the edit and added “Unless you make an odds bet, but that is essentially betting on heads or tails. No edge for the player and a waste of time profitability wise”. So now I know for absolute sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.
The odds bet is the best bet in the casino. It’s the only one where the house pays out the genuine odds of an outcome, with no edge or commission. It’s nothing like heads or tails. [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 14:55]
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Boring, dull, sensible - any word is fine. But it hardly attributes a response to what the discussion is about. It is not about the thrill of table games, it is about profitability and edge as I told you in the last post.
Craps is not really a complicated game, no table games are. My profession suggests I will know this and do not need to resort to googling. I work for a multi billion pound organisation than owns two global casinos.
If you think you have an edge by betting odds bets on a craps table then the only thing I can do is tell you that you don't. You could be at the table for a million years non stop, making odds bets at times the table situation "favours" it - yet your expected earnings from that after a million years would be zero.
Some people think they know these games, think they know how to win, but the fact is they dont, which is why my company is worth 4 billion pounds. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:01 - Feb 4 with 1285 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:52 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
Ok, maybe boring is a better word.
But craps is a complicated game in terms of the bets you make. If you don’t know how to play it and resort to googling, then you will come up with comments like you just did about the lowest house edge being 1.4%.
So this has been helpful discussion. Google is not always your friend.
Ah - then you made the edit and added “Unless you make an odds bet, but that is essentially betting on heads or tails. No edge for the player and a waste of time profitability wise”. So now I know for absolute sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.
The odds bet is the best bet in the casino. It’s the only one where the house pays out the genuine odds of an outcome, with no edge or commission. It’s nothing like heads or tails. [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 14:55]
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Reply to your edit.
Do you know what genuine odds are? Do you know the meaning of that?
Heads or tails is a genuine 50:50. Betting odds bets on the craps table is EXACTLY like playing heads or tails with a mate. As I toldd you, you could play forever picking your favourite side of coin - your expected earnings at any point in time would be zero.
No edge. Genuine odds. No commission... Still no profit.
Which bit of that makes you think that "no edge" means you will win? | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:04 - Feb 4 with 1278 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:57 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
Boring, dull, sensible - any word is fine. But it hardly attributes a response to what the discussion is about. It is not about the thrill of table games, it is about profitability and edge as I told you in the last post.
Craps is not really a complicated game, no table games are. My profession suggests I will know this and do not need to resort to googling. I work for a multi billion pound organisation than owns two global casinos.
If you think you have an edge by betting odds bets on a craps table then the only thing I can do is tell you that you don't. You could be at the table for a million years non stop, making odds bets at times the table situation "favours" it - yet your expected earnings from that after a million years would be zero.
Some people think they know these games, think they know how to win, but the fact is they dont, which is why my company is worth 4 billion pounds. |
A couple of strawmen in there my friend. I never said craps gave you an edge over the house. I just said the house didn’t have an edge on it either - hence my comment that it is the best bet in the house.
The rest of what you wrote is just noise and a poor effort at deflection. | | | |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:06 - Feb 4 with 1275 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:01 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
Reply to your edit.
Do you know what genuine odds are? Do you know the meaning of that?
Heads or tails is a genuine 50:50. Betting odds bets on the craps table is EXACTLY like playing heads or tails with a mate. As I toldd you, you could play forever picking your favourite side of coin - your expected earnings at any point in time would be zero.
No edge. Genuine odds. No commission... Still no profit.
Which bit of that makes you think that "no edge" means you will win? |
Which bit of any of my posts did I say that no edge = I will win?
You like strawmen don’t you? | | | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:07 - Feb 4 with 1271 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:04 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
A couple of strawmen in there my friend. I never said craps gave you an edge over the house. I just said the house didn’t have an edge on it either - hence my comment that it is the best bet in the house.
The rest of what you wrote is just noise and a poor effort at deflection. |
No strawmen at all, I responded to every single point you made, if my replies were strawman then that means your initial comments were.
Yes you said they were the best bet in the house, I correctly told you that you should say least worst, rather than best. By saying they are the "best" in a discussion about profitability would surely means it is profitable? Having no edge means it is a pointless bet not a good one - you are then crossing into the fun territory, which again is not what this discussion is about. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:10 - Feb 4 with 1264 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:06 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
Which bit of any of my posts did I say that no edge = I will win?
You like strawmen don’t you? |
So what do you mean by best bets then?
I told you correctly that any bet that does not have an edge in your favour, is not a good bet. It means the expected profitability for any bet from 0% edge to infinity minus edge means that your expected winnings at any point in time range from zero to infinity minus.
So in a discussion about profitability and edge, can you explain why you fee a bet with an expected profitability of zero - is a good one please. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:14 - Feb 4 with 1251 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:10 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
So what do you mean by best bets then?
I told you correctly that any bet that does not have an edge in your favour, is not a good bet. It means the expected profitability for any bet from 0% edge to infinity minus edge means that your expected winnings at any point in time range from zero to infinity minus.
So in a discussion about profitability and edge, can you explain why you fee a bet with an expected profitability of zero - is a good one please. |
Best means there is no better bet in the casino. I would have thought that was obvious.
Craps is a very difficult game to pick up from reading a web page, you kinda need someone to show you the ropes the first time. Google doesn’t help.
That’s why I brought it up. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. | | | |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:18 - Feb 4 with 1241 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:14 - Feb 4 by wobbly |
Best means there is no better bet in the casino. I would have thought that was obvious.
Craps is a very difficult game to pick up from reading a web page, you kinda need someone to show you the ropes the first time. Google doesn’t help.
That’s why I brought it up. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. |
Well that is incorrect, no better bet on the house v punter table games at a casino would be more accurate. But still not accurate as you appeared to disagree with my deduction that we should change "best" to least worst.
You have jumped on here thinking you could make a splash without realising that what you are saying defies logic. I think your basic grasp of table games led you to believe betting on certain things on the craps table were smart bets. I am sure you have now realised otherwise and will get all uppity.
You can scream google til the cows come home Mr Wobble. You are essentially telling us that a bet with zero % edge is a good one - maths tells you that you are wrong, google will tell youthat you are wrong and I am telling you that you are wrong....
accuse maths of googling if it helps - but it wont change anything. You will still be wrong. [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 15:22]
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| The yanks extra 10M on 15:26 - Feb 4 with 1225 views | wobbly |
| The yanks extra 10M on 15:18 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
Well that is incorrect, no better bet on the house v punter table games at a casino would be more accurate. But still not accurate as you appeared to disagree with my deduction that we should change "best" to least worst.
You have jumped on here thinking you could make a splash without realising that what you are saying defies logic. I think your basic grasp of table games led you to believe betting on certain things on the craps table were smart bets. I am sure you have now realised otherwise and will get all uppity.
You can scream google til the cows come home Mr Wobble. You are essentially telling us that a bet with zero % edge is a good one - maths tells you that you are wrong, google will tell youthat you are wrong and I am telling you that you are wrong....
accuse maths of googling if it helps - but it wont change anything. You will still be wrong. [Post edited 4 Feb 2018 15:22]
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I think you might have been better off just saying it’s not a game you know how to play, rather than pretending and continually digging. That would have been the, er, smart bet. | | | |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:02 - Feb 4 with 1131 views | trampie |
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. |  |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:03 - Feb 4 with 1129 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:02 - Feb 4 by trampie |
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. |
For every idiot there is someone to tell them so. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:07 - Feb 4 with 1121 views | trampie |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:03 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
For every idiot there is someone to tell them so. |
Getting abusive again isn't going to save you. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:09 - Feb 4 with 1119 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:07 - Feb 4 by trampie |
Getting abusive again isn't going to save you. |
Stating a fact is not abuse Tramps. I was not talking about you.
Anyone who believes they know better than the principles of maths is an idiot.
Only you can know if that applies to you. Does it? | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:25 - Feb 4 with 1089 views | trampie |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:09 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
Stating a fact is not abuse Tramps. I was not talking about you.
Anyone who believes they know better than the principles of maths is an idiot.
Only you can know if that applies to you. Does it? |
You don't state facts you are a liar and there will be consequences. | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:27 - Feb 4 with 1088 views | E20Jack |
| The yanks extra 10M on 16:25 - Feb 4 by trampie |
You don't state facts you are a liar and there will be consequences. |
So Mr Capone, do you think you have chamged the primciples of maths? | |
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| The yanks extra 10M on 16:27 - Feb 4 with 1085 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The yanks extra 10M on 14:57 - Feb 4 by E20Jack |
Boring, dull, sensible - any word is fine. But it hardly attributes a response to what the discussion is about. It is not about the thrill of table games, it is about profitability and edge as I told you in the last post.
Craps is not really a complicated game, no table games are. My profession suggests I will know this and do not need to resort to googling. I work for a multi billion pound organisation than owns two global casinos.
If you think you have an edge by betting odds bets on a craps table then the only thing I can do is tell you that you don't. You could be at the table for a million years non stop, making odds bets at times the table situation "favours" it - yet your expected earnings from that after a million years would be zero.
Some people think they know these games, think they know how to win, but the fact is they dont, which is why my company is worth 4 billion pounds. |
"My profession suggests I will know this and do not need to resort to googling. I work for a multi billion pound organisation than owns two global casinos."
They don't own any casinos do they? Online ones, yes, but that's different. I thought they had to shut their casinos down?
Anyway, that bit is irrelevant. I worked for Rank twenty odd years ago when the company actually did own casinos (all the Grosvenor casinos) and I didn't have (nor do I have now) a clue how to play craps. Very few people that work for companies that have casinos play, not least because you're not allowed to. |  | | |
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