| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. 13:29 - Dec 3 with 11206 views | TheResurrection |
I've been too depressed to talk about the Swans on here, but this is what I saw.
Tammy is non existent in too many of our games, he hasn't got a hold up game and like I've said before if he's not scoring he's not doing anything really.
Yeah he's not helped by Clements safety at all costs regime and we are showing almost zero courage on the ball, it's just Monkball all over again.
So, for me he's got to try Tammy in the Siggy role of last season, out wide with a more free role and in a 433.
He blew Mesa out yesterday and we lost all continuity in the middle of the park. I'm confident had he played we'd have beaten Stoke.
Clement disgusts me |  |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 22:24 - Dec 3 with 1881 views | Jango |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 20:17 - Dec 3 by TheResurrection |
Not 4 for me, 3, or 5 when defending.
---------------------- Fab ---------------------
Naughts -- VdH -- Maws - Olsson
--------------------- Mesa --------------------
-------Ki ---------------------- Carroll ------
Dyer ------------ Bony ----------- Tammy |
This has to be the team for me, unless Fernandez comes back in of course. We have to start stretching teams. We are far to easy to defend against and when we go 1 down it’s game over. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 22:39 - Dec 3 with 1858 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 20:18 - Dec 3 by JackFish |
Some good points raised here, and I agree about Tammy. Been saying all season that while he’s a good goalscorer, there’s not a huge amount else in his game at the moment.
Biggest problem for me yesterday was how we played in the second half. Stoke were happy to sit back knowing we’d never break them down, and Clement’s only tactic was to lump the ball up to an ever-increasing number of strikers. The fullbacks, Olsson in particular, tried to push on but they had no support whatsoever most of the time, no winger or attacking midfielder to interplay with, no quick one-twos to create space around the box, just left on their own to lump it in the mixer from however far up the field they managed to get. That may have worked last season when we had a genuinely top class attacker of the ball in the air, not so much this year.
A more astute manager might have brought Mesa on to dictate play from midfield, some wingers to stretch the play and get in behind them, but Clement just doesn’t have that attacking nous, it’s like it’s completely alien to him. And before anyone says that we don’t have any decent wingers, I totally agree that it’s criminal we’re left with Dyer and Routledge as our best options there, but that’s down to Clement spunking away all the summer transfer kitty on central midfielders instead of getting a proper replacement for Gylfi.
While I’m on the subject, Bony’s best feature is how good he is at holding the ball up to feet with his back to goal. His goal came from exactly that but I don’t recall us doing that and getting anyone running off him for the rest of the game. |
Bloody good post that mate. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 23:24 - Dec 3 with 1813 views | TheResurrection |
I know a striker's game isn't all about passing but Tammy yesterday made just 9 (nine)
To put that into context, Ollie came on in the 72nd and made 8!!
That's not enough and it's a waste of a position.
Clement, either get balls in and around the box or play someone else, and in a game when we had 56% possession and nearly 500 passes there's no excuse whatsoever for Tammy being so insignificant. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 23:48 - Dec 3 with 1783 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 20:17 - Dec 3 by TheResurrection |
Not 4 for me, 3, or 5 when defending.
---------------------- Fab ---------------------
Naughts -- VdH -- Maws - Olsson
--------------------- Mesa --------------------
-------Ki ---------------------- Carroll ------
Dyer ------------ Bony ----------- Tammy |
This. But with maybe Ayew in for Abraham. Tammy will only be successful in sides which create loads of chances - not us at the moment.
However, it would take a massive change in PCs mind for us to show balls and go 4-3-3 |  |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 00:08 - Dec 4 with 1763 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 23:48 - Dec 3 by PozuelosSideys |
This. But with maybe Ayew in for Abraham. Tammy will only be successful in sides which create loads of chances - not us at the moment.
However, it would take a massive change in PCs mind for us to show balls and go 4-3-3 |
I think Ayew needs a spell out. Dawdles on the ball, always wants those 3 or 4 touches too many. Again, this is more poor coaching. Don't they watch games back FFS?
I don't know if Tammy is the answer coming in off the left or right, but I think he's got the energy and he does have some good footwork, he would see more of the ball and be facing the way he finds the game easier. He's also got a bit of pace to run the channel.
While Bony is fit, I think unless we see a change of style then it's out wide in a front 3 or the bench. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 00:15 - Dec 4 with 1750 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 00:08 - Dec 4 by TheResurrection |
I think Ayew needs a spell out. Dawdles on the ball, always wants those 3 or 4 touches too many. Again, this is more poor coaching. Don't they watch games back FFS?
I don't know if Tammy is the answer coming in off the left or right, but I think he's got the energy and he does have some good footwork, he would see more of the ball and be facing the way he finds the game easier. He's also got a bit of pace to run the channel.
While Bony is fit, I think unless we see a change of style then it's out wide in a front 3 or the bench. |
Bony is a must for me if hes fit. Its pretty much the only chance we have imo. His goal yesterday was a beauty, but we need the ball up to him to be good so we can bring the midfielders into play.(again, depends on PC)
Only reason i stuck Ayew in there is because the game against WBA last season at home springs to mind. He played wide left and was very good. (my memory is selective, clearly!)
Weirdly, i think we have the players for a flat, old school 4-4-2. Not that id want to see it of course | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 01:24 - Dec 4 with 1728 views | LeonWasGod |
Agree with the Res for once (although this one is obvious). Tammy was anonymous. As was Ayew really.
Look, we know how Wilf works. He has to be the main man. He needs, and can deal with, having the whole box to himself. But he also drops deep to start moves (as he did with his excellent goal against Stoke).
So we do what we know works. Rather than put 2 other centre forwards on with him like Clement did yesterday, we get natural runners off him. Players he can put through or lay it of too and who will then get a cross in. So it's back to the wingers for me. Trouble is, we let our only natural left winger go.
So that leaves us with Narsingh/Dyer on the right, Routs(!) or Ayew on the left and maybe Fer in the advanced mid role (not ideal). Or Ayew at number 10 (largely pointless). I'd use Tammy as cover for Wilf and option off the bench.
Which means we need a number 10 and left wing in Jan, as a minimum.
Wilf has been magnificent since his injury cleared up compared to the rest of the front line. His all round play has been streets ahead and his goal yesterday was a superb finish. It looks like he's still got it which is great news for us, IF we use him properly. But based on yesterday I don't think Clement is going to get the best out of him. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 09:58 - Dec 4 with 1666 views | oldcob |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 22:17 - Dec 3 by jasper_T |
Ki's been twice the player Mesa has for us in the holding role so I'm not sure why everyone's screaming for Rocky to come back. |
Because Ki is getting selected at the moment. Mesa isn't. By the way I happen to think Ki is our most talented mid-fielder and I don't understand why so many have a down on him. I can only think it's the Laudrup and Ki incident which resulted Ki getting loaned to Sunderland. | | | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 10:20 - Dec 4 with 1644 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 22:17 - Dec 3 by jasper_T |
Ki's been twice the player Mesa has for us in the holding role so I'm not sure why everyone's screaming for Rocky to come back. |
Really? Which games were they then?
I'm a Ki fan, but a holding midfielder he is definitely not. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:13 - Dec 4 with 1620 views | dameedna |
Id been hoping to see a front 3 of Bony Abraham and Atew with Ki as DM and Mesa and Fer in front. .
Stoke decended well and pounced on Fers mistake.
However Siggy used to make similar mistakes.
When Sanches came on i thought he did well.
Other than that the front 3 were dismal and defence is not as good without Fernandez.
Can only think of Olsson and Naughton who are playing well and possibly Ki. Fer got in some good tackles but prone to a ball s up. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:31 - Dec 4 with 1605 views | jasper_T |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 10:20 - Dec 4 by 34dfgdf54 |
Really? Which games were they then?
I'm a Ki fan, but a holding midfielder he is definitely not. |
Every deficiency Ki has in the holding role Mesa shares, except he's also a lot slower to cover ground, slower to react, and positionally stands 5-10 yards too far forward to properly protect the back four. It's obvious why Makelele didn't fancy him.
Ki made some vital interceptions against Stoke, he's the nearest thing to a Leon we've got left (if the crowd started chanting his name whenever he fouled someone like they do Leon's I think we'd see a better player as well).
Their strengths are similar but again Ki has done the better job of linking play and carrying the ball out this season.
I'd still play Mesa given the form of our other midfielders but it'd be him on the right, Ki holding, and Carroll on the left told to get forward and wide as much as possible (since if we're going to get decent crosses they're only going to come from the left). | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:50 - Dec 4 with 1590 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:31 - Dec 4 by jasper_T |
Every deficiency Ki has in the holding role Mesa shares, except he's also a lot slower to cover ground, slower to react, and positionally stands 5-10 yards too far forward to properly protect the back four. It's obvious why Makelele didn't fancy him.
Ki made some vital interceptions against Stoke, he's the nearest thing to a Leon we've got left (if the crowd started chanting his name whenever he fouled someone like they do Leon's I think we'd see a better player as well).
Their strengths are similar but again Ki has done the better job of linking play and carrying the ball out this season.
I'd still play Mesa given the form of our other midfielders but it'd be him on the right, Ki holding, and Carroll on the left told to get forward and wide as much as possible (since if we're going to get decent crosses they're only going to come from the left). |
Absolute tosh.
Ki is our finest example and showing zero courage. In tackles, in his passing and when we took the restart after their second his body language when receiving it was terrible. I'd have hauled him off at that point.
There's one man Olsson was talking about in the dressing room, without a shadow of a doubt.
Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive.
I'm not going out on a limb slagging Ki off but he should've gone two seasons ago. We need better in the engine rooms than him. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:54 - Dec 4 with 1584 views | pencoedjack |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:50 - Dec 4 by TheResurrection |
Absolute tosh.
Ki is our finest example and showing zero courage. In tackles, in his passing and when we took the restart after their second his body language when receiving it was terrible. I'd have hauled him off at that point.
There's one man Olsson was talking about in the dressing room, without a shadow of a doubt.
Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive.
I'm not going out on a limb slagging Ki off but he should've gone two seasons ago. We need better in the engine rooms than him. |
I genuinely thought the player Olsson was talking about was Abrahams.
For the record Ki would be in my starting 11 (with our current crop of players) every time. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 12:04 - Dec 4 with 1580 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:54 - Dec 4 by pencoedjack |
I genuinely thought the player Olsson was talking about was Abrahams.
For the record Ki would be in my starting 11 (with our current crop of players) every time. |
I'm not hanging Ki out to dry here, I'm really not but have a look at the restart after their second.
Pathetic from him. There's no drive or courage from him, he's a bit of a baby really and not tough enough, mentally or physically.
Tammy was just starved of any of the possession he needs. He just wasn't in the game. Ki was but to no real effect, apart from a good shot, his second all season. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 12:16 - Dec 4 with 1555 views | nantywatcher |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:50 - Dec 4 by TheResurrection |
Absolute tosh.
Ki is our finest example and showing zero courage. In tackles, in his passing and when we took the restart after their second his body language when receiving it was terrible. I'd have hauled him off at that point.
There's one man Olsson was talking about in the dressing room, without a shadow of a doubt.
Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive.
I'm not going out on a limb slagging Ki off but he should've gone two seasons ago. We need better in the engine rooms than him. |
"Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive. "
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on this site.
As well as Swans home matches I try and get to a few National League matches a year - Mesa has no more going for him than a good National League midfielder.
Urgency -what?
Technical ability -what?
Drive - what?
Ki will still command a decent fee in the open market.
Mesa - sheesh I dread to think what he's worth, certainly less than Ki. | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 12:38 - Dec 4 with 1529 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 12:16 - Dec 4 by nantywatcher |
"Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive. "
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on this site.
As well as Swans home matches I try and get to a few National League matches a year - Mesa has no more going for him than a good National League midfielder.
Urgency -what?
Technical ability -what?
Drive - what?
Ki will still command a decent fee in the open market.
Mesa - sheesh I dread to think what he's worth, certainly less than Ki. |
For some reason you've got a massive issue with Mesa, it's unfathomable because it can't be football related because there's no way on the evidence we've seen he's been any worse than any of our midfield options.
I stand by every word of that. Mesa has the drive and balls to have a go, the raw emotion and passion. The way he celebrated the equaliser at Watford, the way he's not afraid to bark orders or, dare I say it, point. That's a negative in your book but in a midfield of light and polite players that's a massive plus for me.
Truth of the matter is he's not done anything wrong to justify not getting a good run of games, nothing. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:24 - Dec 4 with 1500 views | WandererJack |
Ki was easily our best midfielder on Saturday for my money.
You talk about Mesa being this and that but he simply hasn't shown it when he has played although I will concede he hasn't played much. I think you describe him as the player you want him to be. |  | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:27 - Dec 4 with 1496 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:24 - Dec 4 by WandererJack |
Ki was easily our best midfielder on Saturday for my money.
You talk about Mesa being this and that but he simply hasn't shown it when he has played although I will concede he hasn't played much. I think you describe him as the player you want him to be. |
There's definitely an element of that but I've also seen enough to think he's exactly the type of player we need, for every single one of the reasons I've mentioned continuously.
Bombing him out will eventually be Clements downfall. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:32 - Dec 4 with 1491 views | WandererJack |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:27 - Dec 4 by TheResurrection |
There's definitely an element of that but I've also seen enough to think he's exactly the type of player we need, for every single one of the reasons I've mentioned continuously.
Bombing him out will eventually be Clements downfall. |
Yeah I get what you're saying.
I think the issue is we don't know whether he is the player we need because Clement hasn't played him enough. Clement's done anyway, it's just a matter of time. | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:34 - Dec 4 with 1489 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 13:32 - Dec 4 by WandererJack |
Yeah I get what you're saying.
I think the issue is we don't know whether he is the player we need because Clement hasn't played him enough. Clement's done anyway, it's just a matter of time. |
Time we haven't got... | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:04 - Dec 4 with 1461 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 12:16 - Dec 4 by nantywatcher |
"Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive. "
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on this site.
As well as Swans home matches I try and get to a few National League matches a year - Mesa has no more going for him than a good National League midfielder.
Urgency -what?
Technical ability -what?
Drive - what?
Ki will still command a decent fee in the open market.
Mesa - sheesh I dread to think what he's worth, certainly less than Ki. |
You've just accused someone of making the most ridiculous comment this forum has seen, and then you compare Mesa to a National League Midfielder.
As Warwick says, f*ck.my.eyes. | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:13 - Dec 4 with 1449 views | jasper_T |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 11:50 - Dec 4 by TheResurrection |
Absolute tosh.
Ki is our finest example and showing zero courage. In tackles, in his passing and when we took the restart after their second his body language when receiving it was terrible. I'd have hauled him off at that point.
There's one man Olsson was talking about in the dressing room, without a shadow of a doubt.
Mesa has ten times the passion and urgency and has better technical ability and drive.
I'm not going out on a limb slagging Ki off but he should've gone two seasons ago. We need better in the engine rooms than him. |
If Ki was the player Olsson was angry at after that game he's a fcking moron. | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:29 - Dec 4 with 1439 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:13 - Dec 4 by jasper_T |
If Ki was the player Olsson was angry at after that game he's a fcking moron. |
I tend to think as someone else said, it was Tammy. And probably Fer.
For all their relative ability, Oli showed more in the final 15 minutes than Tammy did for the 90. And Fer just strolls around. Drives me mad. | | | |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:47 - Dec 4 with 1425 views | TheResurrection |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:29 - Dec 4 by londonlisa2001 |
I tend to think as someone else said, it was Tammy. And probably Fer.
For all their relative ability, Oli showed more in the final 15 minutes than Tammy did for the 90. And Fer just strolls around. Drives me mad. |
Watch the restart and you'll see it differently.
He's got no bite at all. | |
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| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:52 - Dec 4 with 1425 views | pencoedjack |
| Tammy was awful yesterday, time for a rethink. on 14:29 - Dec 4 by londonlisa2001 |
I tend to think as someone else said, it was Tammy. And probably Fer.
For all their relative ability, Oli showed more in the final 15 minutes than Tammy did for the 90. And Fer just strolls around. Drives me mad. |
Indeed I said Tammy & Fer would of been next on my list.
I know some posters think Abraham is some wonder kid personally I don't see it , like so many English footballers before him does OK for a few games (in the top flight) & the press think he the real deal. Will get splinters in his arse if he's back at Chelsea next season.
As for having an England cap so did Michael Ricketts, Carlton Plamer, Seth Johnson, Steven Guppy to name but a few. | | | |
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