| Match thread: Plymouth 14:12 - Oct 28 with 15396 views | 442Dale |
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 17:15 - Oct 29 with 2024 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 16:07 - Oct 29 by Dale23years |
Did I not post like week when we won ???
I just can't see any improvement or any determination to put things right. 6 points against the bottom 4 teams is not acceptable,do you think that's a positive sign? Do you think 6 points is acceptable??. We got 4 matches now against the top 8 teams and going off our defence issues (again) and our performances, what point tally do you expect from these games. [Post edited 29 Oct 2017 16:32]
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"Did I not post like week when we won ???"
What did you post that was positive? That it was "a good result" (erm yes, we won, what else could it have been?) but that we should've taken 9pts not 5pts from the last 3 games - so it was a begrudging concession that we won
"Onwards and upwards" - is that with Hill IN or HILL OUT, as you'd requested just a couple of days earlier?
When, in fact, was your last truly positive, spontaneously enthusiastic post? Has there ever been one?
Last question: what on earth do you think the standard of football should be when you watch Dale? We're League One, sometimes better than average, sometimes below. We're below average at the moment, mistakes happen in every game at every level, repeatedly. We don't need wailing and moaning to accompany every single bloody game we don't win - we can all see how things could be better, but that's football... played and managed by human beings, not robots |  |
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 17:35 - Oct 29 with 1966 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 16:07 - Oct 29 by Dale23years |
Did I not post like week when we won ???
I just can't see any improvement or any determination to put things right. 6 points against the bottom 4 teams is not acceptable,do you think that's a positive sign? Do you think 6 points is acceptable??. We got 4 matches now against the top 8 teams and going off our defence issues (again) and our performances, what point tally do you expect from these games. [Post edited 29 Oct 2017 16:32]
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You did. Grudgingly and under sufferance.
Shrewsbury drew at Plymouth a fortnight ago.
We are currently one of the 'bottom' teams, so you could argue we are unbeaten against them, while they aren't against us. Last season we lost games against three of the four that went down.
Of course the current position and form is disappointing. Nobody on here is claiming otherwise, but most people can debate and argue it in a rational manner instead of just ranting against the manager because we haven't won again.
Just try getting things into perspective. We could be where Chesterfield are.
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 23:37 - Oct 29 with 1811 views | Peaky |
Sadly we probably should be in the bottom four shun. Take away our two goals in the last minute and riding our luck against BR we could quiet easily have been propping this league up.
As previously stated there is plenty of work rate in the side, but it’s too disjointed and the style of play does not suit this personnel. How do we fix it is the golden question and one KH must think long and hard about. First step would be to stop this needless lateral passing at the back with a long cross field oof down the channels. You have to have pacey wingers to do that and a player like camps to be delivering it not our centre half’s. Second step would to be to have actual bodies in the box when a cross comes in. Third stop our midfield dropping so deep when the front players are closing everything down up top.
Easy this football managing 😂😂 |  | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 23:38 - Oct 29 with 1811 views | Peaky |
I know, I should wash my mouth out for saying that TVOS. Hope your well mate | | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 with 1672 views | ParkinsGimp |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 16:37 - Oct 29 by Shun |
If we weren't anywhere near good enough for this league then we'd be in the bottom four. If we finish fifth bottom then, simply, we're good enough for this league. |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . | | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 12:00 - Oct 30 with 1639 views | Shun |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 by ParkinsGimp |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . |
Not particularly, but you're missing the point. I was responding to posters who said we aren't anywhere near good enough for League One, and if things carry on then we're going down. Well, if things carry on as they are we'll finish exactly where we are now, meaning we're worthy of our place in this league.
If you cast your mind back to the summer, I argued vociferously that we'd finish closer to the play-offs than the relegation zone, and it was folly to predict a bottom half finish. Whilst I think my predicted finishing position is still very much attainable, I'm feeling less secure about it every week. |  | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 12:06 - Oct 30 with 1632 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 16:01 - Oct 29 by Dale23years |
Your easily please if think that s a positive.
How about signs that....
We are seeing signs that we're stopping making the same mistakes we make every game.
That were beginning to play like a Keith hill team.
Signs that We're learning (including the manger) from our mistakes etc etc
Signs that we beginning to defend as a unit etc etc
I could go on and on just glad more and more people are beginning to realise. [Post edited 29 Oct 2017 16:08]
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More and more people are beginning to realise ?
Who are these people?
Every fan I know realises that Keith Hill is the best man for Rochdale fc. |  |
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 13:32 - Oct 30 with 1580 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 by ParkinsGimp |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . |
But you say that sort of thing every season. How do you propose we get better players in our squad given our financial restriction? Or maybe we should look at crap players from Cambridge like Mendez-Laing...
I would also say that if you’ve been watching as long as you claim, you seem to have forgotten most of it.
I also know you won’t answer as you never do. | |
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 13:37 - Oct 30 with 1569 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 12:00 - Oct 30 by Shun |
Not particularly, but you're missing the point. I was responding to posters who said we aren't anywhere near good enough for League One, and if things carry on then we're going down. Well, if things carry on as they are we'll finish exactly where we are now, meaning we're worthy of our place in this league.
If you cast your mind back to the summer, I argued vociferously that we'd finish closer to the play-offs than the relegation zone, and it was folly to predict a bottom half finish. Whilst I think my predicted finishing position is still very much attainable, I'm feeling less secure about it every week. |
He’ll never get it, Shun. | |
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| Match thread: Plymouth on 14:35 - Oct 30 with 1518 views | nordenblue |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 by ParkinsGimp |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . |
Plenty of this dead wood thats "not good enough" got us so high in the league last season,are they now all suddenly shite players?
You reckon they aren't good enough yet they continually prove you totally wrong all the time.....not to mention the players last year who weren't good enough now plying their trade in the championship,not bad for none league standard players? | | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 15:29 - Oct 30 with 1476 views | macro |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 by ParkinsGimp |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . |
Gimboid wouldn't be happy if we signed Messi. Yet another person who forgets the dross played under barrow. So boringly predictable. |  | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 18:48 - Oct 30 with 1405 views | D_Dale |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 23:37 - Oct 29 by Peaky |
Sadly we probably should be in the bottom four shun. Take away our two goals in the last minute and riding our luck against BR we could quiet easily have been propping this league up.
As previously stated there is plenty of work rate in the side, but it’s too disjointed and the style of play does not suit this personnel. How do we fix it is the golden question and one KH must think long and hard about. First step would be to stop this needless lateral passing at the back with a long cross field oof down the channels. You have to have pacey wingers to do that and a player like camps to be delivering it not our centre half’s. Second step would to be to have actual bodies in the box when a cross comes in. Third stop our midfield dropping so deep when the front players are closing everything down up top.
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"Sadly we probably should be in the bottom four shun. Take away our two goals in the last minute and riding our luck against BR we could quiet easily have been propping this league up."
But "luck" - or chance, or narrow margins - is intrinsic to football. What if Keith Keane had not been sent off in early in the first match of the season? What if Shrewsbury and MKD had not scored late(ish) winners? What if Dale had managed an extra goal in some of their eight draws?
Sometimes the difference between losing and drawing can be almost unbelievable:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/deciphering-greatest-59-seconds-beau | | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 19:08 - Oct 30 with 1365 views | NogintheNog |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 11:18 - Oct 30 by ParkinsGimp |
And you would be happy with that would you? Especially seeing some of the S"ite we have played against so far this season.
We have very few players who are good enough for this division and that is obvious.
TBH I cant see what we can do except hope the team spirit and mentality improve and we galvanise as a squad and fight our way out of this mess.
We know there will be no money available in Jan so we must get the best out of this shower for now and hope we do finish 5th bottom so we can try and get rid of the deadwood ( and there is plenty of that) . |
Chill out guys, we are only eight points off the play-offs ! | | | |
| Match thread: Plymouth on 07:59 - Oct 31 with 1221 views | Peaky |
Agree with what you say about fine margins, luck and unpredictability and to some degree that's what makes the game so exciting. From being 1-0 with 2 minutes to go to 2-1 up at the final whistle.
Sadly though teams can be worse than you over a season and 'luck' can be on their side. Throw in external boosters such as 'the new manager syndrome' that can pick up a few wins and those who have a bit more money than us and things can turn pear shaped pretty quickly.
We are not the worst team i have seen this season (far from it in fact) but our inability to capitalise against 10 men or when being 2-0 up against teams 'struggling at the bottom' does not bode well.
Its not all doom and gloom and a long way to go yet, but the fact remains that the right combination, formation and personal has not yet been found. In KH we trust and i personally always will. I have seen enough of the Dale over the years to know we have never had it so good. | | | |
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