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Tony Fernandes â€@tonyfernandes 1h1 hour ago Out of the blue Harry Redknapp called. Said we played well against Brighton. Never was sending off. Rare for ex manager to call. Decent.
I enjoyed the attacking play in the first half but as in Northern's report, defensively we were all over the place. Never a sending off apart from in the ref and the appeal committe's opinion - poor old Ned is so out of form and luck.
I had a seat right on the split with the home fans and boy were they quiet and didn't the boys around me let them know - too used to winning maybe but apart from a couple of foul mouthed idiots it was all fun and good natured.
Dave Mcintyre has it right in us being a mid table team on a terrible run - pretty sure we will not go down - Happy New year
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 12:45 - Dec 31 with 2610 views
stay proud and erect QPR Fans, i know i will, Laying In naked prosaic splendor under this glass table looking up at Harold Redknapp defecating on it. #scatology #Keepthefaith #NobbysNutsForAll
[Post edited 31 Dec 2016 12:50]
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 13:20 - Dec 31 with 2529 views
"Are you saying that he should not have appointed Redknapp? He was going on Redknapp's history and thought he was getting a reasonable manager."
Most certainly he shouldn't have appointed Redknapp. We were past saving from relegation even with a proper manager.
This was the moment we should have changed our policy & started building our future.
IMO this was Fernandes worst moment!
You can't really say that we were past saving from relegation when he was appointed. It was only the 24th November, hardly a foregone conclusion.
And then we were relegated, which you might think vindicates your argument, but we were then immediately re-promoted, which Tony probably thinks vindicates Redknapp's appointment.
Everything is much easier with hindsight. But at the time, without a DoF, who was Tony going to get counsel from about Hughes' replacement?
You're wrong about Fernandes' worst moment. That came in early 2015. It was about the time when Redknapp had just been told that there wasn't a big pile of money in the transfer window to try to buy him safety from relegation. It was about when Redknapp waited for the window to close before saying 'It's all yours, chaps, I'm off!'. It was when he realised that the 'buy a reputation and you buy success' policy was bankrupt, and that the extra he'd paid to buy a Premier club, plus the hundreds of millions of pounds he'd spunked on inflated fees and salaries was all going down the toilet, and was going to drag a lot more good money after bad. That was his worst moment.
With that behind him, he and Les sat down and drew up that plan to change our policy and build our future. It's still a work in progress.
'ere Horsham, that line of stewards was exactly where I was sat. Every time a Brighton fan got up they were all over 'em, I'd bet there's a lot been ejected / banned from that area and they're (in a good old American vernacular), pussywhipped. BTW, one of my local bank managers is from Horsham, runs a Citizens Bank Branch in Cambridge Massachusetts, he's been to Loftus Road many times, unfortunately as a Fulham fan.
You can't really say that we were past saving from relegation when he was appointed. It was only the 24th November, hardly a foregone conclusion.
And then we were relegated, which you might think vindicates your argument, but we were then immediately re-promoted, which Tony probably thinks vindicates Redknapp's appointment.
Everything is much easier with hindsight. But at the time, without a DoF, who was Tony going to get counsel from about Hughes' replacement?
You're wrong about Fernandes' worst moment. That came in early 2015. It was about the time when Redknapp had just been told that there wasn't a big pile of money in the transfer window to try to buy him safety from relegation. It was about when Redknapp waited for the window to close before saying 'It's all yours, chaps, I'm off!'. It was when he realised that the 'buy a reputation and you buy success' policy was bankrupt, and that the extra he'd paid to buy a Premier club, plus the hundreds of millions of pounds he'd spunked on inflated fees and salaries was all going down the toilet, and was going to drag a lot more good money after bad. That was his worst moment.
With that behind him, he and Les sat down and drew up that plan to change our policy and build our future. It's still a work in progress.
Bullshit. Fernandes worst moment was even fuc'ing looking at the horrible slimey cc'nt Redknap I honestly can not fathom how anyone thought he was going to be successful with us . Look back man ..even go back to QPReport I continually said we will get the Southampton Harry f'cking Redknap.. when them fu.kiung dicks started spouting about f'cking Tottenham Cu;ts
Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:56 - Dec 30 by thame_hoops
It absolutely amazes me at the vitriol redknapp gets. He got us promoted and the day at Wembley was one of my best memories at rangers. What we'd give for a playoff season again, some of you so called experts have very short memories. SMH
You won't get much sympathy on here with views like that mate but you have a point.
He may have done all the things his critics pounce on but, given we'd already clocked up 200 mill debt getting to 17th in the Prem you'd have thought another 20 mill gamble in the Jan 15 window was worth the gamble of 100 mill plus a season staying up would have given us.
Instead, by spending nowt in that window and a guarantee of relegation, we'll be on about 5 mill a season Sky money next year and staring into oblivion.
As Terry Hall once said, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 13:59 - Dec 31 with 2410 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 13:48 - Dec 31 by Pommyhoop
Bullshit. Fernandes worst moment was even fuc'ing looking at the horrible slimey cc'nt Redknap I honestly can not fathom how anyone thought he was going to be successful with us . Look back man ..even go back to QPReport I continually said we will get the Southampton Harry f'cking Redknap.. when them fu.kiung dicks started spouting about f'cking Tottenham Cu;ts
Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:56 - Dec 30 by thame_hoops
It absolutely amazes me at the vitriol redknapp gets. He got us promoted and the day at Wembley was one of my best memories at rangers. What we'd give for a playoff season again, some of you so called experts have very short memories. SMH
He did walk away 5 hours after the January transfer window closed, citing bad knees that required surgery but have miraculously recovered without going under the knife. If that wasn't meant as a stitch up, not sure what is?
Are you saying that he should not have appointed Redknapp? He was going on Redknapp's history and thought he was getting a reasonable manager.
Should he have not given Redknapp so much money to spend? Maybe, but he was backing his manager and largely out of his own pocket.
What do you expect, Tony circa 2016 to time transport back to 2011?
You can say he has been inept, but you cannot say that he has not learned from his mistakes nor not paid for them.
It's a really interesting question, whether TF has actually learnt from his mistakes or lunges from one knee jerk, populist reaction to another?
For me the biggest error he's made was appointing Beard as CEO; and yet it took him the longest to reverse this and appoint Hoos (who has made a clear and patent positive impact). The only way the Beard appointment looks savvy, is if it was in the belief that stadia development was a real prospect (in which case he would have been the man for the job). Was TF really that naive to think that a new stadium was a genuine medium term prospect?
His second biggest error was the time it took him to appoint a DOF. The schanigans of Hughes and Redknapp (and to an extent Warnock) are second only to Beard as the reason we are in such excretion now. A DOF could and probably would have acted as a sensible go between, to avoid TF signing contracts over a game of FIFA.
Was Les the right appointment in the role? He's a QPR legend and had enough nouice to outmanoeuvre Redknapp and Warnock. Added to this the actual evidence of his work so far, as opposed to the witch burning claims I've heard, and I think there is a pretty sound case to give TF credit for this appointment too.
I appreciate we've been in the prem and playoffs and now we're very definitely not, but, that was all built on sand (as most of us realised at the time). It's clear that the foundations are now much stronger and we will be better placed to further strengthen as a football club next season...provided we stay up.
It's unfortunate that the three managers where a DOF was critical (Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp) there wasn't one and the three where is probably wasn't so essential (Ramsey, JFH and Ollie) we did and do.
Where TF has not learnt is that he does not commit to a club ethos to any extent that when the goIng gets tough he ditches it.
We've gone from experience and meticulousness in Hughes, to a specialist troubleshooter in Redknapp, to a coach without ego in Ramsey, to an up and coming lower league big name in JFH and finally to a Rangers man in Ollie. At each point, with a hint of trouble of fan discontent (which doesn't take much) not just the manager, but, the club philosophy changes.
There has been quite a bit of comparing "swashbuckling" Ollie with staid JFH recently, but, actually I think that Ramsey was overall more unlucky to get the boot. I agree he wasn't very charismatic and there were serious tactical questions about him (which I believe are still apparent even in the youth ranks), but, we did score and we were mid table. I'm not a huge advocate of Ramsey, but, I do think this was the time for TF to stick rather than twist.
But TF doesn't do stick. TF always twists. And, in an overall assessment of whether he learns from his mistakes, this is the telling fact.
A good man, willing to learn, willing to build, but, unable to resist the trigger.
If Ollie is in charge next season (with additional help from a new assistant to add to Birch on his staff), working towards a 5 year plan (at a minimum) then TF really will have learnt from his mistakes.
Tony Fernadez tweet on 12:50 - Dec 31 by Discodroids
Tony Fernandes @ tonyfernandes 11 mins ago.
stay proud and erect QPR Fans, i know i will, Laying In naked prosaic splendor under this glass table looking up at Harold Redknapp defecating on it. #scatology #Keepthefaith #NobbysNutsForAll
[Post edited 31 Dec 2016 12:50]
You sick fck Disco, your mind is infinity on speed.
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:09 - Dec 31 with 2197 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:56 - Dec 30 by thame_hoops
It absolutely amazes me at the vitriol redknapp gets. He got us promoted and the day at Wembley was one of my best memories at rangers. What we'd give for a playoff season again, some of you so called experts have very short memories. SMH
WFFFM = Words xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx fail me!!!!
What are you on? Have you ever watched the R's in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, or at any time in the Naughtites? Watching the R's once or twice in 2013 doesn't count.
Redknobb got there by luck and shat himself when he realised he'd have to carry his mistakes.
Took the clubs and the fans to the cleaners and back to the Championship by hiring his mates and getting loads of brown biscuits sent to off shore islands for Rosie. Redknobb is a total disgrace to all previous holders of the role of QPR manager.
Redknobb is a twitching Rag and Bone man - always on the make for himself.
Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me!
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:30 - Dec 31 with 2166 views
It's a really interesting question, whether TF has actually learnt from his mistakes or lunges from one knee jerk, populist reaction to another?
For me the biggest error he's made was appointing Beard as CEO; and yet it took him the longest to reverse this and appoint Hoos (who has made a clear and patent positive impact). The only way the Beard appointment looks savvy, is if it was in the belief that stadia development was a real prospect (in which case he would have been the man for the job). Was TF really that naive to think that a new stadium was a genuine medium term prospect?
His second biggest error was the time it took him to appoint a DOF. The schanigans of Hughes and Redknapp (and to an extent Warnock) are second only to Beard as the reason we are in such excretion now. A DOF could and probably would have acted as a sensible go between, to avoid TF signing contracts over a game of FIFA.
Was Les the right appointment in the role? He's a QPR legend and had enough nouice to outmanoeuvre Redknapp and Warnock. Added to this the actual evidence of his work so far, as opposed to the witch burning claims I've heard, and I think there is a pretty sound case to give TF credit for this appointment too.
I appreciate we've been in the prem and playoffs and now we're very definitely not, but, that was all built on sand (as most of us realised at the time). It's clear that the foundations are now much stronger and we will be better placed to further strengthen as a football club next season...provided we stay up.
It's unfortunate that the three managers where a DOF was critical (Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp) there wasn't one and the three where is probably wasn't so essential (Ramsey, JFH and Ollie) we did and do.
Where TF has not learnt is that he does not commit to a club ethos to any extent that when the goIng gets tough he ditches it.
We've gone from experience and meticulousness in Hughes, to a specialist troubleshooter in Redknapp, to a coach without ego in Ramsey, to an up and coming lower league big name in JFH and finally to a Rangers man in Ollie. At each point, with a hint of trouble of fan discontent (which doesn't take much) not just the manager, but, the club philosophy changes.
There has been quite a bit of comparing "swashbuckling" Ollie with staid JFH recently, but, actually I think that Ramsey was overall more unlucky to get the boot. I agree he wasn't very charismatic and there were serious tactical questions about him (which I believe are still apparent even in the youth ranks), but, we did score and we were mid table. I'm not a huge advocate of Ramsey, but, I do think this was the time for TF to stick rather than twist.
But TF doesn't do stick. TF always twists. And, in an overall assessment of whether he learns from his mistakes, this is the telling fact.
A good man, willing to learn, willing to build, but, unable to resist the trigger.
If Ollie is in charge next season (with additional help from a new assistant to add to Birch on his staff), working towards a 5 year plan (at a minimum) then TF really will have learnt from his mistakes.
A great post!
"A self-made mug is hard to break..." (Elvis Costello)
Tony is a business man, and thought that expertise was something you could buy off the shelf. He has found out that that is wrong. Your criticisms of the appointments of Beard, Hughes and Redknapp (and no DoF) are quite valid, but when it comes down to it, who do you trust? The more TF realised how much he didn't know about football, the more difficult the choices became. I am just glad that LF proved to be an amazingly lucky accident. Hoos deserves credit, too.
I don't see relegation as an automatic disaster: it could be, because SCMP might bite on contracts without relegation clauses, or the squad could completely lose motivation and under-perform, but hopefully we're better than that now.
I have enormous respect for your accusation that 'TF always twists'. I thought both Ramsey and Hasselbaink were sacked too early, and despite Les' statements, I suspect both those decisions came from TF, and lagely on the basis of indifferent (but not poor) performance and increasing supporter discontent (justified or not?). I also worry that both Les and Olly may be given similar short shrift, but it hasn't happened yet. TF doesn't always twist, but he also doesn't stick as long as he should. I think both his heart and head are in the right place; but I question his intestinal fortitude. I sympathise with, but don't endorse, your view that he hasn't changed, because I think he is trying. Just show some guts, Tony.
As an aside, I thought Warnock's Premier sacking was spot on, but only on the three premises that Warnock had clearly lost control of the team, that Premier status was something worth investing heavily in to retain, and that getting a competent replacement would not be difficult. Both Tony and I got the third one wrong.
Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:09 - Dec 31 by ShotKneesHoop
WFFFM = Words xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx fail me!!!!
What are you on? Have you ever watched the R's in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, or at any time in the Naughtites? Watching the R's once or twice in 2013 doesn't count.
Redknobb got there by luck and shat himself when he realised he'd have to carry his mistakes.
Took the clubs and the fans to the cleaners and back to the Championship by hiring his mates and getting loads of brown biscuits sent to off shore islands for Rosie. Redknobb is a total disgrace to all previous holders of the role of QPR manager.
Redknobb is a twitching Rag and Bone man - always on the make for himself.
Been going since 1985, several posters here can vouch that, also been posting here since 2002..., nobody and I mean NOBODY was complaining when redknapp was manger except for after promotion people wanted him to step down.... this forum was full of people wanting new signings consistently...
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:44 - Dec 31 with 1890 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:42 - Dec 31 by thame_hoops
Been going since 1985, several posters here can vouch that, also been posting here since 2002..., nobody and I mean NOBODY was complaining when redknapp was manger except for after promotion people wanted him to step down.... this forum was full of people wanting new signings consistently...
I think there were a few mate.
Occasional providers of half decent House music.
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:45 - Dec 31 with 1889 views
>>> I appreciate we've been in the prem and playoffs and now we're very definitely not, but, that was all built on sand (as most of us realised at the time). It's clear that the foundations are now much stronger and we will be better placed to further strengthen as a football club next season...provided we stay up. <<<
It's a really interesting question, whether TF has actually learnt from his mistakes or lunges from one knee jerk, populist reaction to another?
For me the biggest error he's made was appointing Beard as CEO; and yet it took him the longest to reverse this and appoint Hoos (who has made a clear and patent positive impact). The only way the Beard appointment looks savvy, is if it was in the belief that stadia development was a real prospect (in which case he would have been the man for the job). Was TF really that naive to think that a new stadium was a genuine medium term prospect?
His second biggest error was the time it took him to appoint a DOF. The schanigans of Hughes and Redknapp (and to an extent Warnock) are second only to Beard as the reason we are in such excretion now. A DOF could and probably would have acted as a sensible go between, to avoid TF signing contracts over a game of FIFA.
Was Les the right appointment in the role? He's a QPR legend and had enough nouice to outmanoeuvre Redknapp and Warnock. Added to this the actual evidence of his work so far, as opposed to the witch burning claims I've heard, and I think there is a pretty sound case to give TF credit for this appointment too.
I appreciate we've been in the prem and playoffs and now we're very definitely not, but, that was all built on sand (as most of us realised at the time). It's clear that the foundations are now much stronger and we will be better placed to further strengthen as a football club next season...provided we stay up.
It's unfortunate that the three managers where a DOF was critical (Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp) there wasn't one and the three where is probably wasn't so essential (Ramsey, JFH and Ollie) we did and do.
Where TF has not learnt is that he does not commit to a club ethos to any extent that when the goIng gets tough he ditches it.
We've gone from experience and meticulousness in Hughes, to a specialist troubleshooter in Redknapp, to a coach without ego in Ramsey, to an up and coming lower league big name in JFH and finally to a Rangers man in Ollie. At each point, with a hint of trouble of fan discontent (which doesn't take much) not just the manager, but, the club philosophy changes.
There has been quite a bit of comparing "swashbuckling" Ollie with staid JFH recently, but, actually I think that Ramsey was overall more unlucky to get the boot. I agree he wasn't very charismatic and there were serious tactical questions about him (which I believe are still apparent even in the youth ranks), but, we did score and we were mid table. I'm not a huge advocate of Ramsey, but, I do think this was the time for TF to stick rather than twist.
But TF doesn't do stick. TF always twists. And, in an overall assessment of whether he learns from his mistakes, this is the telling fact.
A good man, willing to learn, willing to build, but, unable to resist the trigger.
If Ollie is in charge next season (with additional help from a new assistant to add to Birch on his staff), working towards a 5 year plan (at a minimum) then TF really will have learnt from his mistakes.
Great post. ^
Occasional providers of half decent House music.
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:51 - Dec 31 with 1862 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 22:42 - Dec 31 by thame_hoops
Been going since 1985, several posters here can vouch that, also been posting here since 2002..., nobody and I mean NOBODY was complaining when redknapp was manger except for after promotion people wanted him to step down.... this forum was full of people wanting new signings consistently...
I was complaining about Redknobb from day one it was mooted he could be hired . Every club Redknobb has cleaned out - West Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton, Spurs - all the fans loath him.
If you ran a poll here on the most hated manager ... he'd win it.
As Morrissey sang "This world, I am afraid, is full of crashing bores,Criminals who work within the laws." ..........who think that new signings is the answer to anything connected with success in football......... "and you must be one, because no-one took you in his arms and signed you "
[Post edited 31 Dec 2016 23:13]
Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me!
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:20 - Dec 31 with 1804 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:11 - Dec 31 by ShotKneesHoop
I was complaining about Redknobb from day one it was mooted he could be hired . Every club Redknobb has cleaned out - West Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton, Spurs - all the fans loath him.
If you ran a poll here on the most hated manager ... he'd win it.
As Morrissey sang "This world, I am afraid, is full of crashing bores,Criminals who work within the laws." ..........who think that new signings is the answer to anything connected with success in football......... "and you must be one, because no-one took you in his arms and signed you "
[Post edited 31 Dec 2016 23:13]
Actually yes I do remember you were very anti redknapp...apologies
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Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:29 - Dec 31 with 1966 views
Tony Fernadez tweet on 23:20 - Dec 31 by thame_hoops
Actually yes I do remember you were very anti redknapp...apologies
Thame hoops - I thank you, I do appreciate you remembering that, you just need to acknowledge the same to Norf and 18,077 others.
There are limits to being positive and I am afraid you have gone well past them, well intentioned, I am sure but believe me - "Rednobb is not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy."
Those that have been around W12 since the really bad and really good days of the sixties onwards know it takes some money, but more than that .... bloody hard work, support and a lot of luck. Ask Sir Alec ..... and Ingram ....... on seconds thoughts don't ask Ingram - here comes a 18,077 page thesis from him on the why and wherefores .....
Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me!
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