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Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:10 - Jun 24 by raynor94
How on earth are we going to attract any inward investment into South West Wales, outside of the EU, we are a backwater now, dread to think what will become of us in the future. You reap what you sow
Dont Know if its been mentioned before, but was the Tidal Barrage being financed with some EU money. On another topic are Cardiffs population more savvy than Swansea.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:45 - Jun 24 with 1566 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:27 - Jun 24 by nice_to_michu
So when you pay your taxes to Westminster, do you receive all of it back do you?
Jeez, I gotta move to where you live! Sounds fantastic.
No! he pays his taxes to Westminster. Westminster passes it on to the EU. The EU take a large chunk of it. Then the EU send whats left back to Westminster. Westminster then decides where what is left goes. Then Swansea may get a bit, if there is anything left.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:20 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
To be fair Rayns......your record on predicting what happens in the future isn't very good is it ? Not long ago you were predicting a landslide victory for the remain camp.
Well Farage fear factor paid off big time, I wonder if some people are realizing the enormity of what they have voted for, Boris and Gove seemed pretty shocked
You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:46 - Jun 24 by raynor94
Well Farage fear factor paid off big time, I wonder if some people are realizing the enormity of what they have voted for, Boris and Gove seemed pretty shocked
"Farage fear factor" as opposed to the remain "fear factor"
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:45 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
No! he pays his taxes to Westminster. Westminster passes it on to the EU. The EU take a large chunk of it. Then the EU send whats left back to Westminster. Westminster then decides where what is left goes. Then Swansea may get a bit, if there is anything left.
Ummm no, that's not how it works.
Money is given back from the EU directly for projects and development. The Westmisnter government might chip in with their own funds, they might not, but the way you described how money is collected and spent is not how it actually happens.
So I'll repeat my question for you and others in a different way then seeing as though I wasn't clear enough the first time p:
When you pay your taxes to Westminster in "post-Brexit UK", will all of your money get spent in your area? Put another way, when you pay your council tax, do you get it all back to your specific ward?
If you do, then I would like to know where you live and I will move there, you have a great deal.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:03 - Jun 24 with 1500 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:58 - Jun 24 by sherpajacob
How dare the remain campaign spread scaremongering stories about the £ crashing and stock markets tumbling.
When does the extra £350m go to the nhs, my wife is waiting for an operation
It's only hours since the result ffs........put your anger and frustration that the vote didn't go as you wanted it to. Accept the democratic decision of the country......you do believe in democracy don't you ?
Remain With or Leave the EU on 10:29 - Jun 24 by LeonisGod
It's going to have a major impact on the University sector in Wales. Swansea, Aber, Bangor are heavily reliant on EU funds both for research projects, but especially for infrastructure (new Bay Campus a prime example). Money from Govt and research councils is getting harder to come by, so I'm not sure how the gap will be filled. Possibly student fee increases; I believe the Tories are already paving the way for this. Something's going to have to give. I'd be very surprised if the Assembly can continue to subsidise the education of Welsh university students, but we'll see.
The effect on UK research, one of our most important industries was almost totally absent from the debate I saw outside of my own academic echo chamber. We've had an email from the vice Chancellor reassuring us but a lot of down faces around campus today. The ramifications of this for Wales in general I really just dread to think. Utterly ashamed to be British and for the first time in my life ashamed to be Welsh.
Upthecity!
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:04 - Jun 24 with 1493 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 11:49 - Jun 24 by londonlisa2001
God Jacko - you're even more cynical than I am :-)
Agree on Boris - he's never been a Brexiter (in fact he's more naturally pro Europe I think than Dave is, ironically) but I guess I sort of think if they go back on this they'll be screwed for ever more (unless as I said, on the back of significant change and a general election). Maybe they will, in which case I'm not sure there's much point in anyone ever voting for anything ever again ! The delay is completely correct and sensible I think. Let's see - I remain really worried about the effect on people's lives who are already suffering.
Interesting view on FB.
"I don't believe Boris will ever invoke Article 50. He wants the threat of it to use as a negotiation tool, but I don't believe he actually wants to leave - read his first column on the subject where he says: "EU history shows that they only really listen to a population when it says No." Those are not the words of a man intent on doing what 51.9% of the population has voted for — leaving — those are the words of a pragmatist looking for a stick to beat the EU with and get one up on David Cameron. So my guess is he'll become PM, negotiate with the EU and get a range of concessions that Cameron was unable to get last year, and once they're in place, he'll say the nation has a better deal than it ever would have had so we're going to maintain our membership for the time being. Then we'll be fast approaching 2020 and no one will want to invoke Article 50 that close to a General Election, so the whole thing will be forgotten. The biggest problem I suspect is how do you pacify the freshly awoken dissatisfied classes outside of London and Scotland without driving them into the welcoming arms of the right wing. Because let's face it, Corbyn's not resonating with anyone and he's certainly not leading a worthy opposition. Thoughts?"
And what is good Phaedrus, and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:05 - Jun 24 with 1487 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:50 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
"Farage fear factor" as opposed to the remain "fear factor"
The bit that I'm shocked at is the areas who rely on EU funding the most are the ones who have voted out, they had no fear from remain, it's going to be an uncertain future for a lot of people in this country.Swansea voted out
You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:04 - Jun 24 by yescomeon
The effect on UK research, one of our most important industries was almost totally absent from the debate I saw outside of my own academic echo chamber. We've had an email from the vice Chancellor reassuring us but a lot of down faces around campus today. The ramifications of this for Wales in general I really just dread to think. Utterly ashamed to be British and for the first time in my life ashamed to be Welsh.
Not surprise though.
Money for research is too remote from the average person's bubble.
I completely agree with what you have to say, but unfortunately there is a significant amount of people who are completely disinterested in issues like that.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:09 - Jun 24 with 1467 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:00 - Jun 24 by nice_to_michu
Ummm no, that's not how it works.
Money is given back from the EU directly for projects and development. The Westmisnter government might chip in with their own funds, they might not, but the way you described how money is collected and spent is not how it actually happens.
So I'll repeat my question for you and others in a different way then seeing as though I wasn't clear enough the first time p:
When you pay your taxes to Westminster in "post-Brexit UK", will all of your money get spent in your area? Put another way, when you pay your council tax, do you get it all back to your specific ward?
If you do, then I would like to know where you live and I will move there, you have a great deal.
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Of course you don't get all you council tax back, but you'd get a little more if some of it didn't go to the EU. £13 billion paid into the EU. £8.5 Billion received from the EU. You do the maths
Remain With or Leave the EU on 12:45 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
No! he pays his taxes to Westminster. Westminster passes it on to the EU. The EU take a large chunk of it. Then the EU send whats left back to Westminster. Westminster then decides where what is left goes. Then Swansea may get a bit, if there is anything left.
And then we get a large chunk of that large chunk taken out. Wales was getting over a grand a head, Westminster will never replace that. We're outside of the EU with no tax raising powers of our own. I really don't see how we can make our situation better in Wales in that set-up.
Upthecity!
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:17 - Jun 24 with 1438 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:15 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
Of course you don't get all you council tax back, but you'd get a little more if some of it didn't go to the EU. £13 billion paid into the EU. £8.5 Billion received from the EU. You do the maths
I take it you live in Wales, right? You understand we get more back than we put in through our taxes?
And you also understand that EU money isn't allocated in the way in which you described, right?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:35 - Jun 24 with 1396 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 13:35 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack
I do live in Wales....I was speaking on the whole of the UK rather than a regional basis.
Ok so given that Wales and Scotland are areas of the highest "need" within the UK, you have voted for both of these regions to receive even less resources than they did before.
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