| Budget hitting the young ? 18:57 - Jul 8 with 13263 views | trampie |
Grants for students from the poorest families gone replaced with loan's.
No housing benefit for under 21's.
Living wage for people only over 25.
So if you are a young person from a poor family and can't afford to go to university because the grants have gone and you don't want a loan and you decide to try and get a job and get one, you are likely to receive a smaller wage than somebody over 25 for doing exactly the same job, since your pay is likely to be low you might then struggle to pay your rent and you wont be able to get housing benefit until you are 21.
Seems very unfair on young people, the Tories will always look to make the rich richer [inheritance tax raised to a million pound], people on benefits were always going to be hit, but i'm surprised how hard they have hit the young.
The Tories are set fair for the next decade but after that the oldies that have done well will die out and will be replaced by the youngsters who perhaps wont have done so well [less pay relatively, greater hours, worse pensions, working to a greater age etc as well as a poorer health service and welfare system] and they might punish the Tories down the line. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:07 - Jul 9 with 1594 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:45 - Jul 9 by trampie |
Excellent post, just logged on to write the same thing but you have done my post for me, I was even going to highlighting the different generations as well, I have respect for my elders but in a general sense current pensioners disgust me, they basically paid themselves too much at the expense of future generations, selfish beyond words, ruined our way of life, voted continuously for the likes of Thatcher and Blair so they could enjoy tax cuts and pocket the money from selling off our countries Industries and housing stock.
The war generation will be turning in their graves at their children's generation, hippies, drugs, free love, tax cuts to benefit themselves at the expense of future generations and the infrastructure of the country, its obscene what they did and continue to do to a once great country. [Post edited 9 Jul 2015 17:48]
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What profession are you in and how long have you been doing it trampie? current pensioners disgust you? frankly you are nothing short of a disgrace,. |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:10 - Jul 9 with 1594 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:12 - Jul 9 by perchrockjack |
Typical of our appalling attitude to pensioners and old people. These feckers have often paid for their pitiful state pension many times over but hey let's give it to those who often have no idea .
Looking around, it's hard to see the street shite being called up ,as my dad was and millions of others, and having to fight an enemy and live off the land.
Old people are respected by most European countries except ours.
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youve been slagging the greeks off all week for looking after their pensioners
make you mind up mun |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:15 - Jul 9 with 1589 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 14:20 - Jul 9 by Tycoch_Tyrant |
Speaking personally, I have just finished uni (6 years of it) with a professional qualification and a Master's Degree. I come from a lower income background so was grant funded, and was lucky enough to have tuition fee loans at around £3,000. I have not yet been told precisely how much I will owe, but I expect it to be around £30-35,000. The last (labour) government encouraged further education in science, so I was lucky enough to be grant funded for my Master's - this got scrapped the year after I completed and now the course has essentially been scrapped as applications dropped like a stone because of lack of funding. I am now going onto yet more education as a direct consequence of this funding, something I would argue represents a 'good return' on government investment.
Now if I were starting university now, my tuition fees would be £9,000, so £45,000 over 5 years. My living loan would be £6,000 a year, so £30,000, and my Master's would have cost me around £12,000. So in total I would now be leaving with ~£90,000 of debt. I would challenge anyone to say they wouldn't think very carefully over willingly saddling themselves with this much debt in their early 20's. As for those who say it being a loan or grant makes no difference, it really does as the torries are essentially telling a massive political lie. The debt I actually owe I will probably pay back in full eventually, though it will take a sizeable portion of my working life to do so. It would be almost impossible for me to pay back my debts if I were starting uni now. This I'm sure will be reflected across the country, leaving a lovely, huge debt hole for some unfortunate bugger to have to deal with in the future. Why then bother with increasing tuition fees etc. when it seems to be false economy? To "reduce" the size of the deficit and to make people from lower income families think twice about university… this has the double advantage of making it look like they are improving the economy (actually just deferring the debt by 20 years) and also reducing the size of this deferred debt by limiting university as an option to only those who can afford it. |
thank you for an honest post
quite incredible. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:30 - Jul 9 with 1558 views | skippyjack |
They're after me.. Quite incredible really!.. Has it kicked in yet? Or does it kick in 2017? |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:37 - Jul 9 with 1549 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:10 - Jul 9 by oh_tommy_tommy |
youve been slagging the greeks off all week for looking after their pensioners
make you mind up mun |
Trouble is their pensioners are in their thirties  | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:37 - Jul 9 with 1549 views | trampie |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:07 - Jul 9 by raynor94 |
What profession are you in and how long have you been doing it trampie? current pensioners disgust you? frankly you are nothing short of a disgrace,. |
Generalising lots of those people were seduced by greed and person gain, its because of them we have a low tax, low spend and a shrinking state, they cut taxes for themselves and sold the family silver off for a song, they didn't even set up a north sea oil fund like Norway did, they wasted it all on themselves, they sacrificed what we had fought wars to achieve for their own greed, they did not care one jot for future generations.
We have gone from the most equal society in Europe to the most unequal society in Europe. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:46 - Jul 9 with 1535 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:37 - Jul 9 by trampie |
Generalising lots of those people were seduced by greed and person gain, its because of them we have a low tax, low spend and a shrinking state, they cut taxes for themselves and sold the family silver off for a song, they didn't even set up a north sea oil fund like Norway did, they wasted it all on themselves, they sacrificed what we had fought wars to achieve for their own greed, they did not care one jot for future generations.
We have gone from the most equal society in Europe to the most unequal society in Europe. |
Why don't you answer my question? oh and I was paying £400 a month mortgage back in the early eighties when interest rates were 16%! so please do your homework before posting your garbage, have you forgotten the decimation of South Wales in the seventies? | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:02 - Jul 9 with 1517 views | trampie |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:46 - Jul 9 by raynor94 |
Why don't you answer my question? oh and I was paying £400 a month mortgage back in the early eighties when interest rates were 16%! so please do your homework before posting your garbage, have you forgotten the decimation of South Wales in the seventies? |
You weren't alone, as well as the lending rate I remember the saving rates were sky high as well, pensions and endowments were making lots of money, yuppies were created in the eighties. [Post edited 9 Jul 2015 22:51]
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:23 - Jul 9 with 1507 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:02 - Jul 9 by trampie |
You weren't alone, as well as the lending rate I remember the saving rates were sky high as well, pensions and endowments were making lots of money, yuppies were created in the eighties. [Post edited 9 Jul 2015 22:51]
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Well those pensioners are gone! what do you suggest a cull of today's pensioners? what do you do? | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:49 - Jul 9 with 1448 views | trampie |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:23 - Jul 9 by raynor94 |
Well those pensioners are gone! what do you suggest a cull of today's pensioners? what do you do? |
Those pensioners arent gone they were in their 30s and 40s when they voted Mrs Thatcher in. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:05 - Jul 9 with 1433 views | perchrockjack |
tom
not about GREEKS. that's ANOTHER THREAD
Trampie,,
Job??
answer |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 23:36 - Jul 9 with 1407 views | Banosswan |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 14:20 - Jul 9 by Tycoch_Tyrant |
Speaking personally, I have just finished uni (6 years of it) with a professional qualification and a Master's Degree. I come from a lower income background so was grant funded, and was lucky enough to have tuition fee loans at around £3,000. I have not yet been told precisely how much I will owe, but I expect it to be around £30-35,000. The last (labour) government encouraged further education in science, so I was lucky enough to be grant funded for my Master's - this got scrapped the year after I completed and now the course has essentially been scrapped as applications dropped like a stone because of lack of funding. I am now going onto yet more education as a direct consequence of this funding, something I would argue represents a 'good return' on government investment.
Now if I were starting university now, my tuition fees would be £9,000, so £45,000 over 5 years. My living loan would be £6,000 a year, so £30,000, and my Master's would have cost me around £12,000. So in total I would now be leaving with ~£90,000 of debt. I would challenge anyone to say they wouldn't think very carefully over willingly saddling themselves with this much debt in their early 20's. As for those who say it being a loan or grant makes no difference, it really does as the torries are essentially telling a massive political lie. The debt I actually owe I will probably pay back in full eventually, though it will take a sizeable portion of my working life to do so. It would be almost impossible for me to pay back my debts if I were starting uni now. This I'm sure will be reflected across the country, leaving a lovely, huge debt hole for some unfortunate bugger to have to deal with in the future. Why then bother with increasing tuition fees etc. when it seems to be false economy? To "reduce" the size of the deficit and to make people from lower income families think twice about university… this has the double advantage of making it look like they are improving the economy (actually just deferring the debt by 20 years) and also reducing the size of this deferred debt by limiting university as an option to only those who can afford it. |
What did you study? |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:45 - Jul 10 with 1354 views | controversial_jack |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:05 - Jul 8 by perchrockjack |
if trampie s against it im for it.
less for the feckless, will do for me.
I mjust sorry he hasn't stopped any child support for single girls under 21..
Its about time kids realised what lies between their legs affects their lives forever.
Who would leanne give the money to.
Who decides who s wealthy
I got a few bin but I m a pauper in comparison to some and I SAY GOOD LUCK TO THEM.
Envy politics kill nations |
You want to make the children suffer, because their parents have made a mistake or been careless? | | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:48 - Jul 10 with 1354 views | controversial_jack |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 09:02 - Jul 9 by jackforever |
The lesson to all young people? Vote in elections. The young have become victims of their apathy in elections. Lets be honest they have been smashed over the past 15 years whilst pensioners carry on without being touched. What we have done to our young people is a disgrace whether its massive debt, being priced out of education and housing, environmental issues, and high unemployment, Amongst many others. Poor sods will have to work until their 80 as well. |
The young have always voted, so what has improved for them? Voting isn't some magic formula that is going to transform everything, it's just a continuation of the same old system. Maybe Brand was right. If voting changed anything it would be abolished | | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:53 - Jul 10 with 1350 views | controversial_jack |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 13:23 - Jul 9 by jackforever |
What the ones who could retire before 55? Who had free education and grants? Who had real apprenticeships and reasonable price housing? Genuine council houses and the opportunity to buy them for pittance? Great availability of jobs, could move from one job to the next when i was young son! A state pension at 60 or 65? Winter heating allowance no matter what you were earning? Genuine final salary pension schemes, full oensions and still working cause its something to do. I could go on and on. Not talking about the peole who went through the wars but the next generation who have had it so good and still moan and want more. Imagine a kid today retiring before they are 55? Imagine them buying their own home before 22 etc etc.
Respect goes two ways and unfortunately successive generations have shown no respect for the future . Btw i had afree a free education and grants, a great pension scheme and bought a lovely home at 23. Shame the young wont get these basics. But then again as long as i sure respect to the baby boomers everything will be ok. |
Those great benefits you mentioned happened under a more socialistic Britain after ww2.The rot started when this country decided to follow the American capitalist model. | | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:57 - Jul 10 with 1341 views | controversial_jack |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:46 - Jul 9 by raynor94 |
Why don't you answer my question? oh and I was paying £400 a month mortgage back in the early eighties when interest rates were 16%! so please do your homework before posting your garbage, have you forgotten the decimation of South Wales in the seventies? |
During the 80s you mean, surely? | | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 13:17 - Jul 10 with 1297 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 10:57 - Jul 10 by controversial_jack |
During the 80s you mean, surely? |
I should have posted 1979 was the start, and continued into the eighties | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:09 - Jul 10 with 1250 views | perchrockjack |
Me too ray or.
Yet more bitter cynical insanity from trample.
Voting for thatcher Was Allowed. It's a democracy in it.
Thatcher had good ideas but implemented them appallingly.
its sad to see so much class war, such naked hatred on here.
Btw, not all English people loved or voted for thatcher | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:32 - Jul 10 with 1239 views | trampie |
The majority of people in Wales and Scotland never voted for Thatcher, the majority of people in England did and due to the huge English population, Thatcher kept getting in although the majority of Welsh and Scots never voted for her. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 18:41 - Jul 10 with 1222 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:32 - Jul 10 by trampie |
The majority of people in Wales and Scotland never voted for Thatcher, the majority of people in England did and due to the huge English population, Thatcher kept getting in although the majority of Welsh and Scots never voted for her. |
The winter of discontent in which the unions did for Labour, allowed Maggie in and the rest is history | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:17 - Jul 10 with 1206 views | jackpot |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:32 - Jul 10 by trampie |
The majority of people in Wales and Scotland never voted for Thatcher, the majority of people in England did and due to the huge English population, Thatcher kept getting in although the majority of Welsh and Scots never voted for her. |
I'm afraid Trampie you really weren't around at the time to understand why Thatcher got elected.
This country was classed as the sick man of the world with strikes called by unions in an excessive manner. The economy was so badly managed under Labour that the IMF basically called the tune. We had the so called winter of discontent.
Basicaslly, the people had had a gutsful of what had been going on and at that time it didn't matter who you voted for because the unions would still cause strikes. A lot of people blame Thatcher for everything but if she hadn't come to power we would have been like Greece are now in the 1980's. |  | | |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 20:04 - Jul 10 with 1194 views | raynor94 |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:17 - Jul 10 by jackpot |
I'm afraid Trampie you really weren't around at the time to understand why Thatcher got elected.
This country was classed as the sick man of the world with strikes called by unions in an excessive manner. The economy was so badly managed under Labour that the IMF basically called the tune. We had the so called winter of discontent.
Basicaslly, the people had had a gutsful of what had been going on and at that time it didn't matter who you voted for because the unions would still cause strikes. A lot of people blame Thatcher for everything but if she hadn't come to power we would have been like Greece are now in the 1980's. |
Excellent post | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:33 - Jul 10 with 1169 views | sherpajacob |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:17 - Jul 10 by jackpot |
I'm afraid Trampie you really weren't around at the time to understand why Thatcher got elected.
This country was classed as the sick man of the world with strikes called by unions in an excessive manner. The economy was so badly managed under Labour that the IMF basically called the tune. We had the so called winter of discontent.
Basicaslly, the people had had a gutsful of what had been going on and at that time it didn't matter who you voted for because the unions would still cause strikes. A lot of people blame Thatcher for everything but if she hadn't come to power we would have been like Greece are now in the 1980's. |
North sea oil helped a bit.
Are we the only country to be a net exporter of oil and still have 2 recessions in 10 years? |  |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 21:48 - Jul 10 with 1157 views | trampie |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 19:17 - Jul 10 by jackpot |
I'm afraid Trampie you really weren't around at the time to understand why Thatcher got elected.
This country was classed as the sick man of the world with strikes called by unions in an excessive manner. The economy was so badly managed under Labour that the IMF basically called the tune. We had the so called winter of discontent.
Basicaslly, the people had had a gutsful of what had been going on and at that time it didn't matter who you voted for because the unions would still cause strikes. A lot of people blame Thatcher for everything but if she hadn't come to power we would have been like Greece are now in the 1980's. |
What do you mean i wasnt around ?, I was there right in the middle of it.
England voted Thatcher, Wales and Scotland didnt. | |
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| Budget hitting the young ? on 22:23 - Jul 10 with 1137 views | sherpajacob |
| Budget hitting the young ? on 17:32 - Jul 10 by trampie |
The majority of people in Wales and Scotland never voted for Thatcher, the majority of people in England did and due to the huge English population, Thatcher kept getting in although the majority of Welsh and Scots never voted for her. |
In fact the majority of English didn't vote for her. She never got more than 50% of the votes in England. She just ended up with the, majority of the seats. As the libs and sdp spit the opposition vote.
.a bit like our current government which 's acting like they have a mandate from the whole population despite getting about 36% of the vote and about 25% of the electorate as a whole. | |
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