| This jackarmy site 21:22 - Feb 9 with 41522 views | perchrockjack |
Some alarming stuff on there..
Very disconcerting
Seems we basically have directors and a trust that cannot be trusted.
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| This jackarmy site on 08:07 - Feb 10 with 1489 views | MattG |
Whilst I can see where Parlay is coming from in terms of a potential conflict, I would suggest it is being a bit over-stated.
I clicked the link that Jackonicko put up and Parlay missed and it was a discussion about the accounts up to the end of May 2013, one element of which stated "As known, Huw Cooze's company does the programme printing at £150k."
Huw responded as follows :
"1977 was my first dealing with the Swans programme, I've been fortunate enough to have been involved in some capacity, on and off ever since. Visions Creative (not Huw Cooze) has to tender every year for the chance.
Difficult to say much more on the subject in an open forum, suffice to say the £150k figure mentioned is misleading. I run a graphic design company and carry the larger costs for a separate print company."
So while Parlay may be correct that, factually, £150k got paid to HC's company, a significant proportion of that was in turn paid out to a separate print company so Huw's direct benefit reduces by that amount. Assuming the contract is tendered on a regular basis, this ensures that HC's price is competitive which means that his profit margin on the remaining work ought to be equally competitive.
Suddenly we could be talking about a profit (which is more like the real extent of HC's "interest") of somewhere around £10k or £20k which puts quite a different slant on things compared with £150k. That's not to say that we shouldn't, as fans, continue to ask questions throughout this whole process but they need to be proportionate. |  | | |
| This jackarmy site on 08:13 - Feb 10 with 1480 views | Bloodyhills |
| This jackarmy site on 22:40 - Feb 9 by NeathJack |
Do you believe Huw Cooze is not representing the supporters trust honestly due to his business interests? |
I've know Huw Cooze for over 25 years but have no clue about his businesses connections with the Swans but I will say that he is a Jack through and through.
However there has to be a conflict of interests between his roles as Trust Director and Printing Company Owner.
Having said that I would trust him (no pun intended) to do his utmost for the club. | |
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| This jackarmy site on 08:20 - Feb 10 with 1466 views | ApeShit |
| This jackarmy site on 07:15 - Feb 10 by morristoncross |
Some interesting observations on this thread and of course there is a potential conflict of interest in place although I am not sure that there really is one for several reasons
X The Swans do a tender process every year for the programme. If Huw Cooze uses any form of inside knowledge to ensure he gets the lowest price then he is
a. Saving the club money
b. Doing it for less profit
X I think Huw has been involved in the programme since the current board took over. It never seemed to be conflict of interest when he was doing it for free and believe me having seen the way he dresses there is no way he has earned £400k in the last 3 years. £400k turnover is possible (deigning and paying to print 150,000+ programmes a year would not be cheap)
X The conflict of interest arises if he isn't doing what he is elected to do right. There is no evidence that this is the case just a few people out to cause trouble by making out that there is. If you have evidence of it then please present it but you don't really do you?
X Personal gain suggests something completely different. As a Trust director he should not make money from his role but there is nothing to stop him tendering for business that the club have so long as the process is fair which it will be as the club are tight as anything and if someone undercut Huw by £5 then they would switch
What would be really useful here is if people took their concerns to the trust themselves maybe if they arranged a forum in Swansea where these things could be raised.
Sorry did someone say there was one? *Sits back and waits for the excuses to start* |
You must feel strongly about this as you have signed up to make that first post. |  | | |
| This jackarmy site on 08:36 - Feb 10 with 1443 views | LeonisGod |
| This jackarmy site on 21:40 - Feb 9 by Gretsch |
The problem with groups and cliques they destroy rather than build.
If anyone needs to know how big a FAN Huw is, watch Jack Army, he isn't just some guy with the reins he is a fan. |
Hi Huw 
Joking aside, you're spot on again. |  | | |
| This jackarmy site on 08:44 - Feb 10 with 1433 views | LeonisGod |
| This jackarmy site on 08:07 - Feb 10 by MattG |
Whilst I can see where Parlay is coming from in terms of a potential conflict, I would suggest it is being a bit over-stated.
I clicked the link that Jackonicko put up and Parlay missed and it was a discussion about the accounts up to the end of May 2013, one element of which stated "As known, Huw Cooze's company does the programme printing at £150k."
Huw responded as follows :
"1977 was my first dealing with the Swans programme, I've been fortunate enough to have been involved in some capacity, on and off ever since. Visions Creative (not Huw Cooze) has to tender every year for the chance.
Difficult to say much more on the subject in an open forum, suffice to say the £150k figure mentioned is misleading. I run a graphic design company and carry the larger costs for a separate print company."
So while Parlay may be correct that, factually, £150k got paid to HC's company, a significant proportion of that was in turn paid out to a separate print company so Huw's direct benefit reduces by that amount. Assuming the contract is tendered on a regular basis, this ensures that HC's price is competitive which means that his profit margin on the remaining work ought to be equally competitive.
Suddenly we could be talking about a profit (which is more like the real extent of HC's "interest") of somewhere around £10k or £20k which puts quite a different slant on things compared with £150k. That's not to say that we shouldn't, as fans, continue to ask questions throughout this whole process but they need to be proportionate. |
Very much overstated. I use design companies through work and yep, if they're outsourcing the printing (which a lot do) then they won't be clearing much. Personally I don't see this as an issue. It's a potential conflict of interest, but is known about. Conflicts of interest are acceptable in lots of companies/organisations as long as they are declared and above board. It sounds like he's been doing it for ages and certain fans haven't made anything of it before, and the work stays local. As long as it's a genuine service (must be as i've got a pile of programmes) and it's done at a fair rate (must be, otherwise they'd struggle to justify the tender selection) then so what? | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 09:56 - Feb 10 with 1383 views | perchrockjack |
| This jackarmy site on 06:03 - Feb 10 by dgt73 |
So after 172 posts what have we learned ? It seems apart from having some paranoid followers, the square root of fcuk all, the same regurgitated crap time after time. |
POZZY.
You have a deal...
As dgt says, we had several pages of the usual pair creaming into each others panties over respective posts which simply are feral and really potential damaging.
THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST is a phrase initiated by a former poster utterly full of venom and truly a loose cannon.
There is no problem at the club apart from some followers so utterly warped and bitter about God knows what ,because the posts and insinyations that started on this subject have no foundation and ,as Ive said before, are quite shameful.
We COULD have directors walking away leaving a hole at the club that wont be filled by "excellent" or "important" "intelligent"posters or ones that posts their earnings on a internet site . They could just walk away, the Yanks or the Grimaldis not bother and we ll be missing out on expanding our club. You cannot stand still in business. Any Business man will tell you that.
So possibly, without a POLL our club isn't in shite, doesn't have a dubious director nor a Trust chairman clearly not up to the job....so answer is ALL those chucking these barbs around and keeping them going on here to report back to jackarmy- fook right off | |
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| This jackarmy site on 10:00 - Feb 10 with 1374 views | ApeShit |
| This jackarmy site on 09:56 - Feb 10 by perchrockjack |
POZZY.
You have a deal...
As dgt says, we had several pages of the usual pair creaming into each others panties over respective posts which simply are feral and really potential damaging.
THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST is a phrase initiated by a former poster utterly full of venom and truly a loose cannon.
There is no problem at the club apart from some followers so utterly warped and bitter about God knows what ,because the posts and insinyations that started on this subject have no foundation and ,as Ive said before, are quite shameful.
We COULD have directors walking away leaving a hole at the club that wont be filled by "excellent" or "important" "intelligent"posters or ones that posts their earnings on a internet site . They could just walk away, the Yanks or the Grimaldis not bother and we ll be missing out on expanding our club. You cannot stand still in business. Any Business man will tell you that.
So possibly, without a POLL our club isn't in shite, doesn't have a dubious director nor a Trust chairman clearly not up to the job....so answer is ALL those chucking these barbs around and keeping them going on here to report back to jackarmy- fook right off |
Yea can't wait for these Yanks to get on board...
"In 1994 Moores purchased the San Diego Padres professional baseball team from Tom Werner. In 2009, he began the process of incrementally selling the Padres to a group of 12 investors, headed by Jeff Moorad (former sports agent and CEO of the Arizona Diamondbacks) for about $500 million.[4][5] The deal fell through in 2012, and Moores instead sold the team for $800 million to a group led by Ron Fowler.[6][7]"
Sounds promising...
You do realise that the Trust do NOT want any of the board members to sell their shares to them? [Post edited 10 Feb 2015 10:02]
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| This jackarmy site on 10:09 - Feb 10 with 1359 views | Bloodyhills |
| This jackarmy site on 22:52 - Feb 9 by whiterock |
And where do u get this fact from, I know Huw reasonably well, so do a few on here, here's a fact, he has never owned a printing business, design is his game |
Did a search and can see no evidence of him owning a company. He was company Secretary for Print for Less Ltd until 2004 when he resigned.
Huw is a jack through and through. | |
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| This jackarmy site on 10:16 - Feb 10 with 1345 views | builthjack |
| This jackarmy site on 22:42 - Feb 9 by Parlay |
I don't know him well enough to make a judgement.
Its like asking me if I think Ashley Williams would represent Swansea honestly if he had a major bet on Swansea to lose.
The answer is nobody knows, but the fact there is a clash of thought there is a concern. [Post edited 10 Feb 2015 2:13]
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Do you actually know him personally then? |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| This jackarmy site on 10:48 - Feb 10 with 1304 views | MoscowJack |
Ok, I understand where the worries have come from (especially if someone is a "new" Swans fan , but this is an incredible and outrageous thread that should have been finished after one page.
Firstly, it's been stated (very clearly) over the years that Huw's company tenders for the work. Having worked so close to the Club for 30+ years, I'm sure Huw knows better than anyone in Britain about what job is needed and the costs involved. I'm also pretty sure (although it's just a guess) that he runs a much smaller margin for SCFC than other clients as he loves the Club so much. If anyone thinks he's made a 400k profit in 4 years, they're on mushrooms. Where were the other suppliers 10 or 12 years ago? Nobody wanted to touch SCFC with a bargepole due to risk of late or non-payment. Only HC wanted to take that risk on as he (probably) felt that it was some way of helping the club he loved. I know that I would have had I had something to offer.
Secondly, he's ELECTED into his role as Trust Rep, isn't he? Doesn't that mean than many clever and well-educated Trust board members are more than happy and satisfied that there's no conflict? After all, it's the Trust's board that would suffer if there was!
Thirdly, and this is just my opinion as a Swansea-born Jack - if someone from London or Manchester (for example) quoted the same price as HC's firm (now that we're in the PL and the numbers are "more interesting") I would love the local business to secure the work. Even if the competitor was 10% cheaper, I probably would.....especially as the Club has a long history of knowing how reliable his work is. Add to the fact that, if anything went wrong with design or printing, they can look Huw directly in the fact most days at the Club, instead of a call or email to faceless people far away.
The fact that this thread has got to 8 or more pages is really sad, in my opinion. There are SO many little things wrong with the Club off the pitch yet a few focus on the wrong issues. What a waste of time.
Get off Huw's back and start trying to do something CONSTRUCTIVE about the real issues like who's pimping the club around the world and why, general ticket pricing (especially bundles!), replica shirt mess, changing rooms at the "Superstore", away fans in the home end for big games, lights facing the east stand and so much more than escapes my ageing brain right now.
There are bigger fish to fry and those fish much be looking at this thread (if they had the time to read 8 pages of crap) and laughing out loud. | |
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| This jackarmy site on 10:52 - Feb 10 with 1299 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 06:03 - Feb 10 by dgt73 |
So after 172 posts what have we learned ? It seems apart from having some paranoid followers, the square root of fcuk all, the same regurgitated crap time after time. |
So I suppose all the major organisations who put in very specific controls to prevent such conflicts are paranoid too.
Interestingly insular POV | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 10:53 - Feb 10 with 1299 views | Darran |
| This jackarmy site on 10:48 - Feb 10 by MoscowJack |
Ok, I understand where the worries have come from (especially if someone is a "new" Swans fan , but this is an incredible and outrageous thread that should have been finished after one page.
Firstly, it's been stated (very clearly) over the years that Huw's company tenders for the work. Having worked so close to the Club for 30+ years, I'm sure Huw knows better than anyone in Britain about what job is needed and the costs involved. I'm also pretty sure (although it's just a guess) that he runs a much smaller margin for SCFC than other clients as he loves the Club so much. If anyone thinks he's made a 400k profit in 4 years, they're on mushrooms. Where were the other suppliers 10 or 12 years ago? Nobody wanted to touch SCFC with a bargepole due to risk of late or non-payment. Only HC wanted to take that risk on as he (probably) felt that it was some way of helping the club he loved. I know that I would have had I had something to offer.
Secondly, he's ELECTED into his role as Trust Rep, isn't he? Doesn't that mean than many clever and well-educated Trust board members are more than happy and satisfied that there's no conflict? After all, it's the Trust's board that would suffer if there was!
Thirdly, and this is just my opinion as a Swansea-born Jack - if someone from London or Manchester (for example) quoted the same price as HC's firm (now that we're in the PL and the numbers are "more interesting") I would love the local business to secure the work. Even if the competitor was 10% cheaper, I probably would.....especially as the Club has a long history of knowing how reliable his work is. Add to the fact that, if anything went wrong with design or printing, they can look Huw directly in the fact most days at the Club, instead of a call or email to faceless people far away.
The fact that this thread has got to 8 or more pages is really sad, in my opinion. There are SO many little things wrong with the Club off the pitch yet a few focus on the wrong issues. What a waste of time.
Get off Huw's back and start trying to do something CONSTRUCTIVE about the real issues like who's pimping the club around the world and why, general ticket pricing (especially bundles!), replica shirt mess, changing rooms at the "Superstore", away fans in the home end for big games, lights facing the east stand and so much more than escapes my ageing brain right now.
There are bigger fish to fry and those fish much be looking at this thread (if they had the time to read 8 pages of crap) and laughing out loud. |
Brilliant post. |  |
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| This jackarmy site on 10:54 - Feb 10 with 1295 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 01:31 - Feb 10 by ScoobyWho |
Your stating its a conflict of interest, and a conflict of interest is an offence. So yes, please do use another term. As the one you are using implies criminal conduct, but the scenarios you are presenting do not.
That's obtuse 
I'm not sure what term you could use, but certainly not one that reflects criminal wrong doing especially if you don't mean it. |
Conflict of Interest..........
A situation that has the potential to undermine the impartiality of a person because of the possibility of a clash between the person's self-interest and professional interest or public interest | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 10:56 - Feb 10 with 1291 views | Darran |
| This jackarmy site on 10:54 - Feb 10 by sixpenses |
Conflict of Interest..........
A situation that has the potential to undermine the impartiality of a person because of the possibility of a clash between the person's self-interest and professional interest or public interest |
Obviously you'll be telling Huw Cooze this at the meeting next week yeah? | |
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| This jackarmy site on 10:59 - Feb 10 with 1279 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 07:15 - Feb 10 by morristoncross |
Some interesting observations on this thread and of course there is a potential conflict of interest in place although I am not sure that there really is one for several reasons
X The Swans do a tender process every year for the programme. If Huw Cooze uses any form of inside knowledge to ensure he gets the lowest price then he is
a. Saving the club money
b. Doing it for less profit
X I think Huw has been involved in the programme since the current board took over. It never seemed to be conflict of interest when he was doing it for free and believe me having seen the way he dresses there is no way he has earned £400k in the last 3 years. £400k turnover is possible (deigning and paying to print 150,000+ programmes a year would not be cheap)
X The conflict of interest arises if he isn't doing what he is elected to do right. There is no evidence that this is the case just a few people out to cause trouble by making out that there is. If you have evidence of it then please present it but you don't really do you?
X Personal gain suggests something completely different. As a Trust director he should not make money from his role but there is nothing to stop him tendering for business that the club have so long as the process is fair which it will be as the club are tight as anything and if someone undercut Huw by £5 then they would switch
What would be really useful here is if people took their concerns to the trust themselves maybe if they arranged a forum in Swansea where these things could be raised.
Sorry did someone say there was one? *Sits back and waits for the excuses to start* |
Are you suggesting contract tendering with insider information is OK
I would have thought that would be serious wrongdoing all round
and no a Conflict of Interest arises in ..........
A situation that has the potential to undermine the impartiality of a person because of the possibility of a clash between the person's self-interest and professional interest or public interest
Note the words potential and possibility | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 10:59 - Feb 10 with 1280 views | icecoldjack |
Ive not read the whole thread yet so forgive me if comment is slightly out of step , IMO if the likes of cooze are making a bit of money from the swans now then fair enough.
Its easy to be critical now when everything is rosy, thetrue test is when things were pear shaped and the club didnt have a pot to pee in.
However there are some fair comments from both sides of the debate.
For me, if guys are making money out of the club now and its fair then great, somebody needs to get paid so id rather it be people who were there during the dark days, what nobody wants is people taking too much of an advamtage, i dont think this is the case myself but its important that awkward questions get asked and heads arnt buried in the sand.
The bottom line for me is that i trust the people running the club to make the best decisions for scfc.
There many issues that concern many people but overall we arnt in a bad place, id rather searching questions and healthy debate about such things than people just buring the head in the sand, people like t2c and parley are important in this respect, so is the debate on jackarmy.net
The last thing we need is people blimdly followimg necause of past reputations, we live in the presnt and must always be mindful of that, nothing wrong with being vigilant where our club is concerned. Nothing wrong with keeping everyone honest so to speak. |  | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:05 - Feb 10 with 1261 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 09:56 - Feb 10 by perchrockjack |
POZZY.
You have a deal...
As dgt says, we had several pages of the usual pair creaming into each others panties over respective posts which simply are feral and really potential damaging.
THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST is a phrase initiated by a former poster utterly full of venom and truly a loose cannon.
There is no problem at the club apart from some followers so utterly warped and bitter about God knows what ,because the posts and insinyations that started on this subject have no foundation and ,as Ive said before, are quite shameful.
We COULD have directors walking away leaving a hole at the club that wont be filled by "excellent" or "important" "intelligent"posters or ones that posts their earnings on a internet site . They could just walk away, the Yanks or the Grimaldis not bother and we ll be missing out on expanding our club. You cannot stand still in business. Any Business man will tell you that.
So possibly, without a POLL our club isn't in shite, doesn't have a dubious director nor a Trust chairman clearly not up to the job....so answer is ALL those chucking these barbs around and keeping them going on here to report back to jackarmy- fook right off |
PRJ will you stop your continued foundless abuse and stop exaggerating what is said | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:08 - Feb 10 with 1255 views | LeonisGod |
| This jackarmy site on 10:48 - Feb 10 by MoscowJack |
Ok, I understand where the worries have come from (especially if someone is a "new" Swans fan , but this is an incredible and outrageous thread that should have been finished after one page.
Firstly, it's been stated (very clearly) over the years that Huw's company tenders for the work. Having worked so close to the Club for 30+ years, I'm sure Huw knows better than anyone in Britain about what job is needed and the costs involved. I'm also pretty sure (although it's just a guess) that he runs a much smaller margin for SCFC than other clients as he loves the Club so much. If anyone thinks he's made a 400k profit in 4 years, they're on mushrooms. Where were the other suppliers 10 or 12 years ago? Nobody wanted to touch SCFC with a bargepole due to risk of late or non-payment. Only HC wanted to take that risk on as he (probably) felt that it was some way of helping the club he loved. I know that I would have had I had something to offer.
Secondly, he's ELECTED into his role as Trust Rep, isn't he? Doesn't that mean than many clever and well-educated Trust board members are more than happy and satisfied that there's no conflict? After all, it's the Trust's board that would suffer if there was!
Thirdly, and this is just my opinion as a Swansea-born Jack - if someone from London or Manchester (for example) quoted the same price as HC's firm (now that we're in the PL and the numbers are "more interesting") I would love the local business to secure the work. Even if the competitor was 10% cheaper, I probably would.....especially as the Club has a long history of knowing how reliable his work is. Add to the fact that, if anything went wrong with design or printing, they can look Huw directly in the fact most days at the Club, instead of a call or email to faceless people far away.
The fact that this thread has got to 8 or more pages is really sad, in my opinion. There are SO many little things wrong with the Club off the pitch yet a few focus on the wrong issues. What a waste of time.
Get off Huw's back and start trying to do something CONSTRUCTIVE about the real issues like who's pimping the club around the world and why, general ticket pricing (especially bundles!), replica shirt mess, changing rooms at the "Superstore", away fans in the home end for big games, lights facing the east stand and so much more than escapes my ageing brain right now.
There are bigger fish to fry and those fish much be looking at this thread (if they had the time to read 8 pages of crap) and laughing out loud. |
The worries seem to be coming from the old-timers, strangely. Agree though - having such a thread as this is a bit of an embarrassment and there doesn't appear to be a genuine reason to criticise. Yes, there are uncertainties moving forwards, but why do people need to immediately look for the worse in people rather than judge them on years of loyal and successful service? | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:12 - Feb 10 with 1246 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
It's seems in a nutshell then
Mr cooze business offered the best discount for the club .
Swansea city - winner
Mr cooze business - winner
Local business & local jobs - winner
Great for the club & city
Well done Swansea City . |  |
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| This jackarmy site on 11:15 - Feb 10 with 1238 views | ApeShit |
| This jackarmy site on 11:12 - Feb 10 by oh_tommy_tommy |
It's seems in a nutshell then
Mr cooze business offered the best discount for the club .
Swansea city - winner
Mr cooze business - winner
Local business & local jobs - winner
Great for the club & city
Well done Swansea City . |
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that, its whether a Trust Director should have financial links to the club of the fans he is representing. | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:18 - Feb 10 with 1235 views | LeonisGod |
| This jackarmy site on 10:54 - Feb 10 by sixpenses |
Conflict of Interest..........
A situation that has the potential to undermine the impartiality of a person because of the possibility of a clash between the person's self-interest and professional interest or public interest |
A potential conflict of interest is just that; potential. Most organisations have policies that ensure any such potential conflicts are identified and checked to see whether they could have an adverse impact on the person's work for that company. That doesn't mean a person can't have multiple roles.
What evidence is there that Huw Cooze's secondary role (the programme contract) affects his work for the club, or that there is any underhand dealings such that his integrity is brought into question? If none, which I suspect is the case, people might like to think twice about what they post on a public forum (bearing in mind the route the Oystons are taking). | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:26 - Feb 10 with 1225 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 10:59 - Feb 10 by icecoldjack |
Ive not read the whole thread yet so forgive me if comment is slightly out of step , IMO if the likes of cooze are making a bit of money from the swans now then fair enough.
Its easy to be critical now when everything is rosy, thetrue test is when things were pear shaped and the club didnt have a pot to pee in.
However there are some fair comments from both sides of the debate.
For me, if guys are making money out of the club now and its fair then great, somebody needs to get paid so id rather it be people who were there during the dark days, what nobody wants is people taking too much of an advamtage, i dont think this is the case myself but its important that awkward questions get asked and heads arnt buried in the sand.
The bottom line for me is that i trust the people running the club to make the best decisions for scfc.
There many issues that concern many people but overall we arnt in a bad place, id rather searching questions and healthy debate about such things than people just buring the head in the sand, people like t2c and parley are important in this respect, so is the debate on jackarmy.net
The last thing we need is people blimdly followimg necause of past reputations, we live in the presnt and must always be mindful of that, nothing wrong with being vigilant where our club is concerned. Nothing wrong with keeping everyone honest so to speak. |
I think the real issue is at a time when the Trust are very strongly at odds with the general rest of SCFC Board consensus it is vital that the Trust representatives are ruthlessly and single mindedly fighting the Trust's corner.
Any conflict of interest - such as obviously exists here has the potential to weaken our position so is not helpful
If for e.g. Huw wanted to sell his shares for many millions, regardless of him being a big fan of the club and all the amazing work he has done for us in the past
That would put him in a major position of conflict of interest, no matter how impartial he may convince us or himself he is being.
It also makes him diametrically opposed to the objectives of the Trust such that no cosy relationship is going to resolve. So we need total focus and resolve on our objectives which is hard to achieve with a foot in each camp, especially if depending to any extent in other areas that are important to you personally on the goodwill of those you are going head to head to oppose.
It is simple logic and applies to anyone no matter how some are trying to paint it as a personal attack or some accusation of wrongdoing - of which it is neither | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:28 - Feb 10 with 1223 views | Darran |
Will Spratty the planetswans troll be putting these questions to Huw Cooze face to face next week?
Now that's a question. | |
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| This jackarmy site on 11:30 - Feb 10 with 1213 views | sixpenses |
| This jackarmy site on 10:56 - Feb 10 by Darran |
Obviously you'll be telling Huw Cooze this at the meeting next week yeah? |
Shush the white noise Darran - if you want some respect then earn it
I am sure Huw C already perfectly well understands that fact
Will you be there repeatedly spitting out further vile abuse to anyone who challenges your abuse and lies
yeah | | | |
| This jackarmy site on 11:34 - Feb 10 with 1202 views | Darran |
| This jackarmy site on 11:30 - Feb 10 by sixpenses |
Shush the white noise Darran - if you want some respect then earn it
I am sure Huw C already perfectly well understands that fact
Will you be there repeatedly spitting out further vile abuse to anyone who challenges your abuse and lies
yeah |
We'll all take that as a no then.
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