| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters 11:01 - Jan 10 with 38640 views | _ |
I've not been around for a little while enjoying Christmas and the new year but been checking in from time to time.
I understand you have banned two Planet Swans legends and why?
I've noticed your over reactions time and time again of late and I think you forget you are the Trust Chairman when you react so. You have repeatedly banned Spratty also and it's all too pathetic.
Don't cross swords with these guys if you can't take it Phil. I've read your comebacks to them and me and sitting in front of the buttons doesn't give you carte blanche to decide who stays or not.
This site would be nothing without its characters and for every person thatgets on your tits there's others that enjoy what they have to say.
You clearly can't take any heat and that worries me in your position especially with big decisions about to be made.
There are posters you let run havoc on here that are universally hated, even by your close friends and associates and there are many a good poster that has left because of them. We've all got the option to ban by simply pressing ignore as you keep instructing posters to do....that is until you lock horns with them, they make you look silly and you ban them.
Grow up, grow a set and don't post if you can't take a little flak. If you allow the likes of Darran, Jackfath and Dick free roam on here you should be man enough to allow Shaky and Parlay.
I look out for these guys posts along with selected others and they make the place worth visiting.
It's petty and childish and you should be above that in your important position, don't forget that.
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:30 - Jan 12 with 1197 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:23 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
surely what has happened on this board though is just a mild example of the oppression of free speech...
It's a shame that your stance on freedom of speech and bullying isn't consistent with your stance on rape - perhaps that is also an area where the extreme cases show the world why it shouldn't be tolerated on any level eh? |
Certainly is mild Lisa. Which is why the terrorists in Paris are dead and Phil is probably in his nice warm house with a cyber slap on the wrist by many.
How isnt that consistent with my view on rape then? My view on rape is that it is an abhorrent crime and should be punished be it a mild case such is the one alleged Ched Evans is guilty of or indeed a rape where someone is physically made of have sex and beaten to within an inch of their life at knifepoint in a dark woods and left to die.
You have either completely misunderstood the Ched Evans debate wrapped up in your obsession of misogyny or you are trolling. I genuinely have no idea which one. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:31 - Jan 12 with 1197 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:29 - Jan 12 by jackonicko |
I hope Starksy is taking notes on how to get to a 30 page thread.
This is textbook! |
I apologise profusely.
To be fair though, it was such an open goal.
To make up for it,
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:32 - Jan 12 with 1188 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:31 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
I apologise profusely.
To be fair though, it was such an open goal.
To make up for it,
ONE |
An open goal into your own net maybe. You made no sense. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:34 - Jan 12 with 1180 views | exiledclaseboy |
Ok I'll play for a minute. There's no such thing as a non-violent rape. The act of rape is violent in itself. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:37 - Jan 12 with 1160 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:34 - Jan 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Ok I'll play for a minute. There's no such thing as a non-violent rape. The act of rape is violent in itself. |
Slapping someone in the face is violent, but doesn't really equate to a full scale beating. There are differing levels.
Many rape victims have to be stitched back together such is the violence of the attack.
In the Ched Evans case, she didn't even know she was raped - still doesn't and quite possibly wasn't. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:38 - Jan 12 with 1159 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:32 - Jan 12 by Parlay |
An open goal into your own net maybe. You made no sense. |
everyone else seemed to understand Parlay.
But don't worry about it - i was merely yanking your chain. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:40 - Jan 12 with 1150 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:34 - Jan 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Ok I'll play for a minute. There's no such thing as a non-violent rape. The act of rape is violent in itself. |
which was EXACTLY the point I made originally in response to shaky's comment.
There is a belief from some that 'violence' must mean physical hurt of the 'bruises' or 'cuts' kind. As you say, the act itself is one of violence even if it leaves no VISIBLE mark or scar. | | | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:42 - Jan 12 with 1135 views | VetchitBack |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:23 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
surely what has happened on this board though is just a mild example of the oppression of free speech...
It's a shame that your stance on freedom of speech and bullying isn't consistent with your stance on rape - perhaps that is also an area where the extreme cases show the world why it shouldn't be tolerated on any level eh? |
So to question a conviction based on a robust and sober assessment of the evidence is to somehow tolerate the crime?
We have some frightening people on here. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:42 - Jan 12 with 1131 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:37 - Jan 12 by Parlay |
Slapping someone in the face is violent, but doesn't really equate to a full scale beating. There are differing levels.
Many rape victims have to be stitched back together such is the violence of the attack.
In the Ched Evans case, she didn't even know she was raped - still doesn't and quite possibly wasn't. |
"It is like saying bullying kids in school is fine because its comparable physical bullying at adulthood is a lot worse. NO bullying is acceptable, NO oppression of fair minded free speech is acceptable and it is the extreme cases which show the world why it shouldn't be tolerated on any level. "
Inconsistent much?
By the way - I'm pretty certain she now does know she was raped - there's been quite a lot of media talk about it ... | | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:43 - Jan 12 with 1127 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:38 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
everyone else seemed to understand Parlay.
But don't worry about it - i was merely yanking your chain. |
I don't think anybody understood it Lisa, just saw you mention the Ched Evans case and got all excited again.
What you said made no sense at all.
If I was suggesting Phil be murdered like the terrorists in Paris then indeed you would have a point that I am not recognising different levels of extremities and wanting a blanket punishment in one case yet not in another.
Yet i didn't do that at all, rendering what you were saying a cheap way to get a rise and a giggle when the content actually made no sense at all.
Chain yanked or not, it still was a poorly thought out post with no relevance what so ever. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:45 - Jan 12 with 1118 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:43 - Jan 12 by Parlay |
I don't think anybody understood it Lisa, just saw you mention the Ched Evans case and got all excited again.
What you said made no sense at all.
If I was suggesting Phil be murdered like the terrorists in Paris then indeed you would have a point that I am not recognising different levels of extremities and wanting a blanket punishment in one case yet not in another.
Yet i didn't do that at all, rendering what you were saying a cheap way to get a rise and a giggle when the content actually made no sense at all.
Chain yanked or not, it still was a poorly thought out post with no relevance what so ever. |
read what you said.
And, whatever Parlay - I have no interest in discussing it with you. Argue with that nice person from Southampton instead. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:45 - Jan 12 with 1107 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:42 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
"It is like saying bullying kids in school is fine because its comparable physical bullying at adulthood is a lot worse. NO bullying is acceptable, NO oppression of fair minded free speech is acceptable and it is the extreme cases which show the world why it shouldn't be tolerated on any level. "
Inconsistent much?
By the way - I'm pretty certain she now does know she was raped - there's been quite a lot of media talk about it ... |
No not inconsistent at any level at all Lisa.
Please tell me where these inconsistencies are. I assume you have once again misunderstood or indeed have twisted something to suit your initially fruitless stance. But am more than happy to indulge, come forward with your gripe.
She has no idea she was raped. The media are stating some people in court assume she was raped. They have no idea whether she was as much as she did.
Sense now Lisa. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:48 - Jan 12 with 1099 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:45 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
read what you said.
And, whatever Parlay - I have no interest in discussing it with you. Argue with that nice person from Southampton instead. |
Yes I read what I said, i wrote them.
You are wrong again and have tried to twist my words which were pretty clear for anybody with a fair mind to understand.
If you have no intention of getting into a debate, then i suggest you don't try to cheaply score points by suggesting I have contradicted myself when I have clearly done no such thing and then get out of it by saying "i dont want to discuss it".
I womt let it drop so its up to you whether you wish to keep on digging or admit you were wrong. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:48 - Jan 12 with 1097 views | onetimejack |
So is shaky coming back then? |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:51 - Jan 12 with 1091 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:42 - Jan 12 by VetchitBack |
So to question a conviction based on a robust and sober assessment of the evidence is to somehow tolerate the crime?
We have some frightening people on here. |
not at all.
Parlay didn't base anything on a robust and sober assessment of the evidence though - he didn't want to read it because he 'doesn't like reading'. He said so himself.
If someone read through the actual evidence (not the website and the selected snippets that they wanted people to see) and still made an assessment that in their mind they would have believed that the girl in question was, indeed, capable of conscious consent that is, of course, up to them. However, most were making judgments based on such legal consideration as 'she was up for it' or 'she was a slag' or 'it happens up and down the country every weekend' or similar.
Also, those making a judgment based on a lack of understanding of the law on rape (i.e. that consent is invalid if the person is not able to give consent based on their lack of awareness, even if that lack of awareness is caused by drink or drugs) then that is also not a robust assessment. Disagreeing with the law is not a valid defence. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:52 - Jan 12 with 1086 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:48 - Jan 12 by onetimejack |
So is shaky coming back then? |
He was resurrected on the third day. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:53 - Jan 12 with 1078 views | onetimejack |
Lisa why don't you take your hounding of parlay over to the ched Evans thread? | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:56 - Jan 12 with 1066 views | Parlay |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:51 - Jan 12 by londonlisa2001 |
not at all.
Parlay didn't base anything on a robust and sober assessment of the evidence though - he didn't want to read it because he 'doesn't like reading'. He said so himself.
If someone read through the actual evidence (not the website and the selected snippets that they wanted people to see) and still made an assessment that in their mind they would have believed that the girl in question was, indeed, capable of conscious consent that is, of course, up to them. However, most were making judgments based on such legal consideration as 'she was up for it' or 'she was a slag' or 'it happens up and down the country every weekend' or similar.
Also, those making a judgment based on a lack of understanding of the law on rape (i.e. that consent is invalid if the person is not able to give consent based on their lack of awareness, even if that lack of awareness is caused by drink or drugs) then that is also not a robust assessment. Disagreeing with the law is not a valid defence. |
Incorrect Lisa.
I hadn't read the case, said so from word 1. I simply stated FROM WHAT I HAD READ, the case seemed awfully weak. You then went on to tell me more details and I continued to have that opinion. You then refused to explain your stance on it and his behind the "read it yourself" argument and of course your favourite misogynist replies.
I have since read it and AM STILL of that persuasion.
We are well aware of what constitutes rape Lisa, the point being that there is no evidence she wasn't able to give consent and no evidence that she didnt.
Simple as that.
If you are here to debate it properly then lets go for round 2 - if you are here to do some late night "in and out" trolling and get some cheap "likes" from your chums then id suggest logging off because i wont let it go and last time that happened you ended up looking a little foolish with regards to the Fabianski debate. [Post edited 12 Jan 2015 22:06]
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:06 - Jan 12 with 1043 views | ItchySphincter |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:07 - Jan 10 by exiledclaseboy |
It's all the same. Only the names have changed. |
Are you quoting Bon Jovi? |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:09 - Jan 12 with 1029 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:06 - Jan 12 by ItchySphincter |
Are you quoting Bon Jovi? |
Yes. It seemed apt and the wife and I were listening to them at the time. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:14 - Jan 12 with 1011 views | jackonicko |
Better stand tall when they're calling you out.
Don't bend, don't break, baby, don't back down. |  | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:15 - Jan 12 with 1009 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:56 - Jan 12 by Parlay |
Incorrect Lisa.
I hadn't read the case, said so from word 1. I simply stated FROM WHAT I HAD READ, the case seemed awfully weak. You then went on to tell me more details and I continued to have that opinion. You then refused to explain your stance on it and his behind the "read it yourself" argument and of course your favourite misogynist replies.
I have since read it and AM STILL of that persuasion.
We are well aware of what constitutes rape Lisa, the point being that there is no evidence she wasn't able to give consent and no evidence that she didnt.
Simple as that.
If you are here to debate it properly then lets go for round 2 - if you are here to do some late night "in and out" trolling and get some cheap "likes" from your chums then id suggest logging off because i wont let it go and last time that happened you ended up looking a little foolish with regards to the Fabianski debate. [Post edited 12 Jan 2015 22:06]
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I explained my stance in a lot of detail even quoting the relevant case law on the thread in question. I see no need to do it again. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:20 - Jan 12 with 992 views | Parlay |
The need, presumably, was the fact it failed to show how Ched clearly raped the woman.
which is kind of the key point. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 22:20 - Jan 12 with 993 views | Pacemaker |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 21:56 - Jan 12 by Parlay |
Incorrect Lisa.
I hadn't read the case, said so from word 1. I simply stated FROM WHAT I HAD READ, the case seemed awfully weak. You then went on to tell me more details and I continued to have that opinion. You then refused to explain your stance on it and his behind the "read it yourself" argument and of course your favourite misogynist replies.
I have since read it and AM STILL of that persuasion.
We are well aware of what constitutes rape Lisa, the point being that there is no evidence she wasn't able to give consent and no evidence that she didnt.
Simple as that.
If you are here to debate it properly then lets go for round 2 - if you are here to do some late night "in and out" trolling and get some cheap "likes" from your chums then id suggest logging off because i wont let it go and last time that happened you ended up looking a little foolish with regards to the Fabianski debate. [Post edited 12 Jan 2015 22:06]
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The important point of this conviction was that Evans needed to show he had obtained consent, the victim stated she was so inebriated she could not have consented, on that basis he was convicted by the jury. |  |
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