| Garry Monk 16:20 - Jan 8 with 8133 views | veritas |
I'm not sure he is the right long-term manager for us. I've watched the swans for a while now and we seem to be going backwards in the quality of our football and some tactical decisions leave a lot to be desired.
I look at Monk and I see a coach, I don't see a manager. I hope I'm proved wrong but I can't see us moving forward with Monk and the attacking passing football will be a thing of the past if we don't watch it. |  | | |  |
| Garry Monk on 20:49 - Jan 8 with 1914 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
I've been very impressed with him so far.
I was one of the (majority - don't deny it), who had major doubts about him; and said so on here. I didn't see him as a manager, I never have done. He always seemed a bit too much of a 'jack the lad' kind of guy, full of 'bantz', but lacking the substance to walk the walk.
It wasn't that I thought only serious, studious people can be managers, just that I didn't see the potential in him to lead the club as the main man - as I did with Martinez. Add to this the almost total lack of coaching, let alone managerial experience..it didn't look good.
There was also the issue of the board looking to appoint him without seemingly interviewing anyone else; an act of courage/negligence (delete with benefit of hindsight) that was wrongly held against Monk. We could have had Koeman on a plate at the time.
But despite the doubts, he's hardly put a foot wrong in my eyes, and I'm 'massively' (to use a Monkism...) proud of the way he's led the club and the job he's done considering the above. The work ethic he espouses and demands of his players, the professionalism, the belief in fair play - and on this I disagree with those that claim he's naïve and that we need to 'wise up' and start cheating like the rest; f*ck that. I'm fully behind Monk's idea to win clean. It's the way football is going, and we can be at the vanguard of the sea-change in the game, nothing but admiration for his stance on that.
The summer transfer dealings were excellent as well, while I'm at it. Bringing Ki and Gylfi back into the fold so seamlessly, and signing a real keeper. If he can work his magic on Michu as well..;)
Tactically, there are still doubts. Can it really be just luck that we've lost so many points from leading positions? I'm a little concerned by the amount of times we willingly concede possession and that we seem to be less inclined to press the opposition than we used to, but such is the lot of all football fans, what if? what if? what if? I'm still of the school of thought that us merely staying in this division each season is a borderline miracle (without a rich sugardaddy), so if his interpretation of the Swansea way works then great; if it can be done eschewing cheating then get that cherry on the top.
Nothing's ever perfect of course, dark days may lie ahead, but I no longer have doubts about his commitment, his professionalism and his potential to do the job. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 20:58 - Jan 8 with 1895 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk on 20:11 - Jan 8 by ymaohyd |
I think you need to go back to CCMB. |
Its a valid opinion. Grow up or shut up FFS. |  | | |
| Garry Monk on 21:03 - Jan 8 with 1879 views | dgt73 |
| Garry Monk on 20:26 - Jan 8 by veritas |
9th playing crap
or 13th playing awesome.
13th all day long |
Lol. I rest my case. He doesn't know what he's talking about. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 21:15 - Jan 8 with 1856 views | veritas |
| Garry Monk on 21:03 - Jan 8 by dgt73 |
Lol. I rest my case. He doesn't know what he's talking about. |
So higher mid table or lower mid table? Who cares?
A bit more dosh maybe?
Unless you're challenging for Europe that means nothing to me so is rather play sexy football and give it a go in the cups | | | |
| Garry Monk on 21:22 - Jan 8 with 1845 views | Sweyns_Eye |
How can we be 9th playing crap though? What are we doing better that the 11 teams below us haven't managed to do?
For what its worth I don't think we've lost our passing game. We just vary things more. I had my doubts about GM being manager too but you can't deny he's doing well.
Comparisons with Sousa aren't valid either as we seemed quite happy to pass the ball around in our own half at times under him. And we rarely looked like scoring more than once a match, if at all. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 21:34 - Jan 8 with 1829 views | veritas |
| Garry Monk on 21:22 - Jan 8 by Sweyns_Eye |
How can we be 9th playing crap though? What are we doing better that the 11 teams below us haven't managed to do?
For what its worth I don't think we've lost our passing game. We just vary things more. I had my doubts about GM being manager too but you can't deny he's doing well.
Comparisons with Sousa aren't valid either as we seemed quite happy to pass the ball around in our own half at times under him. And we rarely looked like scoring more than once a match, if at all. |
Crap is a bit harsh, my point is based on the question I was asked. I would rather finish slightly lower and be entertaining yes. I know that sounds weird but unless we're actually challenging for something I don't see the point of just plodding away and finish 8,9,10.
I'd rather be ambitious and the only way to do that is for us to take some risks. So yes we may finish lower but we also may finish higher. It would also be far more exciting along the way. People fell in love with us because we entertained not because we're a bog standard mid table club. Take risks that's what I advocate. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 21:36]
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| Garry Monk on 22:32 - Jan 8 with 1757 views | marchamjack |
| Garry Monk on 21:34 - Jan 8 by veritas |
Crap is a bit harsh, my point is based on the question I was asked. I would rather finish slightly lower and be entertaining yes. I know that sounds weird but unless we're actually challenging for something I don't see the point of just plodding away and finish 8,9,10.
I'd rather be ambitious and the only way to do that is for us to take some risks. So yes we may finish lower but we also may finish higher. It would also be far more exciting along the way. People fell in love with us because we entertained not because we're a bog standard mid table club. Take risks that's what I advocate. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 21:36]
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take risks...that's not how we've got to where we are (you been watching us long...). we've played to a system, which Monk has now tinkered with (and actually got us even higher) and long as that dosen't fundamentally change, we'll be fine in mid table of the Prem and I hope having the odd tilt at a cup to get another European campaign |  |
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| Garry Monk on 22:43 - Jan 8 with 1744 views | JJJack |
We would be higher than 9th without some horrendous refereeing decisions against us. Maybe not as much higher as some like to think but given a realistically level playing field we would/should certainly be above Liverpool. |  | | |
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| Garry Monk on 22:50 - Jan 8 with 1718 views | monmouth |
| Garry Monk on 21:34 - Jan 8 by veritas |
Crap is a bit harsh, my point is based on the question I was asked. I would rather finish slightly lower and be entertaining yes. I know that sounds weird but unless we're actually challenging for something I don't see the point of just plodding away and finish 8,9,10.
I'd rather be ambitious and the only way to do that is for us to take some risks. So yes we may finish lower but we also may finish higher. It would also be far more exciting along the way. People fell in love with us because we entertained not because we're a bog standard mid table club. Take risks that's what I advocate. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 21:36]
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I can see what you are getting at and yes I tentatively agree with the underlying principle. I don't want to be bored for a few places higher, and I certainly don't want to spend 70% of every match (or after we go ahead) with a cork up my backside because we've invited the opposition onto us like the charge of the light brigade.
BUT
I don't think the 'sexy football' point is at all clear cut. We played garbage under Rodgers and laudrup as well as brilliantly in patches and we have done so this season under Monk. We had many more passes and possession than Liverpool at Anfield (and that's never happened before I don't think) and got humped. That wasn't very good to watch. Some of the goals we have scored this season have been utterly breathtaking, with much better football than we often saw previously. The 'fall back and defend for long periods' is straight out of the Rodgers playbook too. Hell, we did it in the play off final and I might never recover from that even though we won.
So I think we are in danger of inventing these halcyon days that we are then whining about not living up to. I think we are doing fine, more than fine, and will get better, so I think your question is moot. But if it really was a choice between thrilling entertainment and guaranteed 13th or dour boredom and finishing 9th then hell, yeah, I'm with you.
But it isn't. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 23:15 - Jan 8 with 1666 views | ymaohyd |
| Garry Monk on 20:58 - Jan 8 by WarwickHunt |
Its a valid opinion. Grow up or shut up FFS. |
Fuxk off I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that he's a wind up merchant! |  |
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| Garry Monk on 23:23 - Jan 8 with 1657 views | GixerJack |
| Garry Monk on 16:46 - Jan 8 by football2301 |
its not april yet |
Despite there being a few fools around!!! |  | | |
| Garry Monk on 23:24 - Jan 8 with 1656 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk on 23:15 - Jan 8 by ymaohyd |
Fuxk off I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that he's a wind up merchant! |
Because it's different to yours.
Pathetic. | | | |
| Garry Monk on 23:44 - Jan 8 with 1633 views | macthejack |
People keep talking about whether we will 'progress' under Garry Monk but realistically, where can we go from here? I don't think it's defeatist to say the there will always be 5/6 teams better than us in the league for at least the next five, probably ten years. We just don't have the the budget/infrastructure/fanbase to compete with the real big guns. The best we can hope for is consistent top half finishes with maybe the occasional european qualification or cup run, and that, to my mind, is f*cking brilliant. |  | | |
| Garry Monk on 23:53 - Jan 8 with 1623 views | Starsky |
| Garry Monk on 20:26 - Jan 8 by veritas |
9th playing crap
or 13th playing awesome.
13th all day long |
Didn't you enjoy our last Game? We won 6-2. Record away win. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 06:00 - Jan 9 with 1535 views | jack247 |
Whilst I don't agree at all that Garry is not the right man for the job, I can see the ops point.
It is a bit concerning that the brand of football we have become synonymous with seems to be eroding away. That, and being owned by local businessmen and fans is what makes us different from everyone else in the the league. Lose both of those and we will just become an average Premier League club. That is all well and good, I accept there is a natural ceiling only a few places above where we are now, but longer term, if we are an average club with below average income, we are going to struggle.
Keep Garry Monk, keep the club locally owned, try and incorporate a little bit of the 'Swansea Way' back into our playing style. We are unique, let's try to stay that way. | | | |
| Garry Monk on 07:29 - Jan 9 with 1487 views | ymaohyd |
| Garry Monk on 23:24 - Jan 8 by WarwickHunt |
Because it's different to yours.
Pathetic. |
No not at all.
I love a debate based on a difference of opinion. This guy is the same poster as one who was recently banned or left.
The great thing about message boards is that it allows for rank and file fans can exchange views give an opinion etc.
The down side is that it also enables clowns like this to infiltrate a board and generally spoil it. This guy as I say has reinvented himself (or herself), I'd put my life on it isn't a Swans fan and will generally spout nonsense, an Adrian Durham of Planet Swans!
Veritable...'the truth' say no more.
To my credit I block posters who in my opinion are in this category rather than get involved in juvenile nonsense which I am guilty of at times, I hold my hands up.
So for now I'll add 'the truth to my list and your goodself. You've been around a long time, no doubt a great deal longer than me, you've always got on my tits though..bye bye | |
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| Garry Monk on 07:46 - Jan 9 with 1463 views | sixpenses |
| Garry Monk on 23:53 - Jan 8 by Starsky |
Didn't you enjoy our last Game? We won 6-2. Record away win. |
It was excellent wasn't it, 6-2 against Tranmere
Can you imagine if he had won the first major cup in our 100 year history thrashing Liverpool at theirs and beating the champions of Europe home and away to achieve it, with them not managing a goal against us in 180 minutes. Can you imagine if he had also given us a top ten PL finish then a fantastic run in Europe and beating Manu at theirs for the first time ever to keep us in the FA Cup whilst still us on Target to stay up even with crippling key injuries and still manage to be ecstatically praised for the football we play at top grounds even with a second team. I can only imagine this need to put down others in the media is a insecurity issue.
We would never be able to criticise him again would we??????????? Oh wait
Tranmere was excellent but is is a facile argument in the light of a well constructed OP which deserves better than the burning torches. Whilst we still play some lovely stuff at times and no one can dispute our position, IMHO our football has become less enjoyable to watch given our best and most expensive team ever with little injury. At times it seems to lack imagination and direction.
Garry was on TV last night trying to take full credit for Bony by saying he could not understand why ML hardly played him. Well yes if you discount almost every European game and being the only manager last season to play him in every PL game for which he was available and having twice the PL Playing time he has given Gomis even in the pre Michu injury period when Bony admitted himself that he had PL fitness issues which he was on a special fitness programme to address, at a time when many were concerned with his performance in the PL. Still it was nice he was coming into top form just before Garry took over. | | | |
| Garry Monk on 07:52 - Jan 9 with 1458 views | ymaohyd |
| Garry Monk on 07:29 - Jan 9 by ymaohyd |
No not at all.
I love a debate based on a difference of opinion. This guy is the same poster as one who was recently banned or left.
The great thing about message boards is that it allows for rank and file fans can exchange views give an opinion etc.
The down side is that it also enables clowns like this to infiltrate a board and generally spoil it. This guy as I say has reinvented himself (or herself), I'd put my life on it isn't a Swans fan and will generally spout nonsense, an Adrian Durham of Planet Swans!
Veritable...'the truth' say no more.
To my credit I block posters who in my opinion are in this category rather than get involved in juvenile nonsense which I am guilty of at times, I hold my hands up.
So for now I'll add 'the truth to my list and your goodself. You've been around a long time, no doubt a great deal longer than me, you've always got on my tits though..bye bye |
Should have said..Veritas-'The truth' not veritable.
On a train using my phone, predictive text! | |
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| Garry Monk on 08:18 - Jan 9 with 1411 views | VetchitBack |
| Garry Monk on 20:49 - Jan 8 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
I've been very impressed with him so far.
I was one of the (majority - don't deny it), who had major doubts about him; and said so on here. I didn't see him as a manager, I never have done. He always seemed a bit too much of a 'jack the lad' kind of guy, full of 'bantz', but lacking the substance to walk the walk.
It wasn't that I thought only serious, studious people can be managers, just that I didn't see the potential in him to lead the club as the main man - as I did with Martinez. Add to this the almost total lack of coaching, let alone managerial experience..it didn't look good.
There was also the issue of the board looking to appoint him without seemingly interviewing anyone else; an act of courage/negligence (delete with benefit of hindsight) that was wrongly held against Monk. We could have had Koeman on a plate at the time.
But despite the doubts, he's hardly put a foot wrong in my eyes, and I'm 'massively' (to use a Monkism...) proud of the way he's led the club and the job he's done considering the above. The work ethic he espouses and demands of his players, the professionalism, the belief in fair play - and on this I disagree with those that claim he's naïve and that we need to 'wise up' and start cheating like the rest; f*ck that. I'm fully behind Monk's idea to win clean. It's the way football is going, and we can be at the vanguard of the sea-change in the game, nothing but admiration for his stance on that.
The summer transfer dealings were excellent as well, while I'm at it. Bringing Ki and Gylfi back into the fold so seamlessly, and signing a real keeper. If he can work his magic on Michu as well..;)
Tactically, there are still doubts. Can it really be just luck that we've lost so many points from leading positions? I'm a little concerned by the amount of times we willingly concede possession and that we seem to be less inclined to press the opposition than we used to, but such is the lot of all football fans, what if? what if? what if? I'm still of the school of thought that us merely staying in this division each season is a borderline miracle (without a rich sugardaddy), so if his interpretation of the Swansea way works then great; if it can be done eschewing cheating then get that cherry on the top.
Nothing's ever perfect of course, dark days may lie ahead, but I no longer have doubts about his commitment, his professionalism and his potential to do the job. |
Good post and I agree wholeheartedly with being unsure as to whether losing points from leafing positions is bad luck or not. The longer it goes on though the harder it is to be so kind.
But the lack of pressing and allowing teams possession were both features of Laudrup. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 08:19 - Jan 9 with 1409 views | ItchySphincter |
| Garry Monk on 07:46 - Jan 9 by sixpenses |
It was excellent wasn't it, 6-2 against Tranmere
Can you imagine if he had won the first major cup in our 100 year history thrashing Liverpool at theirs and beating the champions of Europe home and away to achieve it, with them not managing a goal against us in 180 minutes. Can you imagine if he had also given us a top ten PL finish then a fantastic run in Europe and beating Manu at theirs for the first time ever to keep us in the FA Cup whilst still us on Target to stay up even with crippling key injuries and still manage to be ecstatically praised for the football we play at top grounds even with a second team. I can only imagine this need to put down others in the media is a insecurity issue.
We would never be able to criticise him again would we??????????? Oh wait
Tranmere was excellent but is is a facile argument in the light of a well constructed OP which deserves better than the burning torches. Whilst we still play some lovely stuff at times and no one can dispute our position, IMHO our football has become less enjoyable to watch given our best and most expensive team ever with little injury. At times it seems to lack imagination and direction.
Garry was on TV last night trying to take full credit for Bony by saying he could not understand why ML hardly played him. Well yes if you discount almost every European game and being the only manager last season to play him in every PL game for which he was available and having twice the PL Playing time he has given Gomis even in the pre Michu injury period when Bony admitted himself that he had PL fitness issues which he was on a special fitness programme to address, at a time when many were concerned with his performance in the PL. Still it was nice he was coming into top form just before Garry took over. |
C'mon Sprout, that ship has sailed. I thought the jury was out on Monk in the beginning and to some extent it still is but can we at least agree that he appears to be learning quickly? Gone are the Sherwoodesque sound bites and we appear to be seeing a return to the more balanced, humble view. The football hasn't been as possession based as it was under Brendan or Sousa but that was certainly the case under the latter part of the Laudrup reign too and it's because other teams are now respecting us enough to set up differently against us. It's up to us to find a solution to that. |  |
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| Garry Monk on 08:32 - Jan 9 with 1384 views | Neath_Jack |
So, which former poster is now veritas then....... |  |
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| Garry Monk on 08:34 - Jan 9 with 1380 views | shandyjack |
| Garry Monk on 20:26 - Jan 8 by veritas |
9th playing crap
or 13th playing awesome.
13th all day long |
if we were playing awesome we wouldn't be 13th though, and there is no way we are 9th in the toughest league in the world by playing crap.
What on earth do you want for an average PL team which we are and always will be |  |
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| Garry Monk on 09:17 - Jan 9 with 1332 views | AnotherJohn |
| Garry Monk on 08:34 - Jan 9 by shandyjack |
if we were playing awesome we wouldn't be 13th though, and there is no way we are 9th in the toughest league in the world by playing crap.
What on earth do you want for an average PL team which we are and always will be |
It is fair enough to call us an average team, but for most of the time - and perhaps by good fortune rather than planning - we have had pockets of real quality up front. By that I mean Gylfi in the first season, Michu in the second and Wilf in the third. We could afford to have fewer shots on target than our opponents in many games because our conversion rate was so good. I think Garry has done well, but I am worried about how we will fare using his approach without a goal scoring star. Gylfi hasn't been scoring at the rate of that first season and Michu will probably never come back. We're all hoping that Bafi can step up, but I would not put much weight on a couple of goals against Tranmere and am still crossing my toes. [Post edited 9 Jan 2015 9:18]
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| Garry Monk on 09:23 - Jan 9 with 1327 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk on 07:29 - Jan 9 by ymaohyd |
No not at all.
I love a debate based on a difference of opinion. This guy is the same poster as one who was recently banned or left.
The great thing about message boards is that it allows for rank and file fans can exchange views give an opinion etc.
The down side is that it also enables clowns like this to infiltrate a board and generally spoil it. This guy as I say has reinvented himself (or herself), I'd put my life on it isn't a Swans fan and will generally spout nonsense, an Adrian Durham of Planet Swans!
Veritable...'the truth' say no more.
To my credit I block posters who in my opinion are in this category rather than get involved in juvenile nonsense which I am guilty of at times, I hold my hands up.
So for now I'll add 'the truth to my list and your goodself. You've been around a long time, no doubt a great deal longer than me, you've always got on my tits though..bye bye |
It's the Poster Formerly Known as Rockin, mate.
He's a Swans fan who's been on various incarnations of this board for an awful lot longer than you.
Not every poster who has valid concerns about our style of play or management is a Cardiff fan. Try to remember that before your next knee jerk reaction makes you look a bit of a c*nt. [Post edited 9 Jan 2015 9:38]
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| Garry Monk on 09:26 - Jan 9 with 1312 views | Starsky |
| Garry Monk on 07:46 - Jan 9 by sixpenses |
It was excellent wasn't it, 6-2 against Tranmere
Can you imagine if he had won the first major cup in our 100 year history thrashing Liverpool at theirs and beating the champions of Europe home and away to achieve it, with them not managing a goal against us in 180 minutes. Can you imagine if he had also given us a top ten PL finish then a fantastic run in Europe and beating Manu at theirs for the first time ever to keep us in the FA Cup whilst still us on Target to stay up even with crippling key injuries and still manage to be ecstatically praised for the football we play at top grounds even with a second team. I can only imagine this need to put down others in the media is a insecurity issue.
We would never be able to criticise him again would we??????????? Oh wait
Tranmere was excellent but is is a facile argument in the light of a well constructed OP which deserves better than the burning torches. Whilst we still play some lovely stuff at times and no one can dispute our position, IMHO our football has become less enjoyable to watch given our best and most expensive team ever with little injury. At times it seems to lack imagination and direction.
Garry was on TV last night trying to take full credit for Bony by saying he could not understand why ML hardly played him. Well yes if you discount almost every European game and being the only manager last season to play him in every PL game for which he was available and having twice the PL Playing time he has given Gomis even in the pre Michu injury period when Bony admitted himself that he had PL fitness issues which he was on a special fitness programme to address, at a time when many were concerned with his performance in the PL. Still it was nice he was coming into top form just before Garry took over. |
It was just a question!
"Did you enjoy the 6-2 win at Tranmere"?
That's all I wrote.
You are now talking about "burning torches" against the OP.
I've tried to get along with you but you have become hysterical. | |
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