| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! 11:12 - Jan 8 with 29064 views | ApeShit |
According to SSN. |  | | |  |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:56 - Jan 9 with 1344 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:56 - Jan 8 by Jackhero |
in the summing up the judge says " [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that."
So from my understanding they have decided that the girl was in no fit state to give consent. This is why there is no accusing Ched of Rape, Ched by his own admission had sex with the girl, the girl having no recollection of it could not have accused him of raping her, but from the evidence given, and conclusions by the Jury it is deemed rape as he had not had permission from her. Simple in my eyes that. |
She could have consented and then not remembered doing so. |  | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:59 - Jan 9 with 1342 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:56 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
She could have consented and then not remembered doing so. |
and perhaps she didn't consent and he raped her which is, after all, what the jury that heard all the evidence concluded. | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:59 - Jan 9 with 1337 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:52 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
Well in the prosecutions defence, Ched didn't pick up the girl as it were, he later joined in after she agreed to go back with someone else.
However to get a conviction then there needs to be clear evidence. Thats the precedent that is so frightening now for the nation, there seemingly doesn't have to be any clear evidence of your guilt anymore.
If someone accused me of killing Michael Jackson, i couldn't prove i didn't as I have no alibi. It seems like people are happy that I would be convicted on the grounds that there is no evidence to suggest i did or didnt, so assume i did.
Its all very odd. |
Guilt by hearsay! | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:03 - Jan 9 with 1328 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 18:29 - Jan 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
It used to be the case that a person was "Innocent until proven guilty", but with the trial by Mass Media of today that is no longer quite true. |
The end of habeas corpus | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:07 - Jan 9 with 1324 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 16:59 - Jan 9 by londonlisa2001 |
and perhaps she didn't consent and he raped her which is, after all, what the jury that heard all the evidence concluded. |
So it's just one persons word against anothers? | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:08 - Jan 9 with 1323 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:03 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
The end of habeas corpus |
why? He was innocent until proven guilty. Some are just unable to accept that fact. | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:10 - Jan 9 with 1312 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:08 - Jan 9 by londonlisa2001 |
why? He was innocent until proven guilty. Some are just unable to accept that fact. |
"Proven". I see! | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:12 - Jan 9 with 1302 views | reddythered |
I'm sure you'll provide the "new" appeal with your groundbreaking evidence of innocence then given both a jury and appeal disagree with you. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:12 - Jan 9 with 1300 views | londonlisa2001 |
yes - proven.
After hearing all the evidence he was found guilty be a jury of 12 men and women.
He appealed and the appeal was turned down.
Or are you only supporting the legal system selectively? | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:16 - Jan 9 with 1289 views | LeonisGod |
Proven in a court of law. It's not necessarily the same as saying they've got to the truth of what happened. He probably did rape her, but there's always a chance that he didn't. Only 3 people were in a position to know. |  | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:16 - Jan 9 with 1291 views | controversial_jack |
If she couldn't remember how can she be certain that she didn't consent? | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:18 - Jan 9 with 1289 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:16 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
If she couldn't remember how can she be certain that she didn't consent? |
You're aware not being able to remember/ being incapable of consent means consent wasn't given, right? | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:18 - Jan 9 with 1285 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:16 - Jan 9 by LeonisGod |
Proven in a court of law. It's not necessarily the same as saying they've got to the truth of what happened. He probably did rape her, but there's always a chance that he didn't. Only 3 people were in a position to know. |
Exactly, it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt and in this case it clearly wasn't | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:19 - Jan 9 with 1284 views | SkewenJack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:16 - Jan 9 by LeonisGod |
Proven in a court of law. It's not necessarily the same as saying they've got to the truth of what happened. He probably did rape her, but there's always a chance that he didn't. Only 3 people were in a position to know. |
and none of them said he did by the looks of it. | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:20 - Jan 9 with 1280 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:18 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
Exactly, it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt and in this case it clearly wasn't |
In your opinion.
Because if it was CLEARLY not proven then he would have been found not guilty or had his appeal upheld. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:20 - Jan 9 with 1276 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:18 - Jan 9 by reddythered |
You're aware not being able to remember/ being incapable of consent means consent wasn't given, right? |
But she can't remember, so she could have.I have done many stupid things after being drunk and not remembered doing so until I have been reminded by my mates etc | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:21 - Jan 9 with 1271 views | SkewenJack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:18 - Jan 9 by reddythered |
You're aware not being able to remember/ being incapable of consent means consent wasn't given, right? |
Not being able to remember and not being able to consent do not go hand in hand. | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:22 - Jan 9 with 1270 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:20 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
But she can't remember, so she could have.I have done many stupid things after being drunk and not remembered doing so until I have been reminded by my mates etc |
She could have tapdanced on the top of the Eiffel Tower too, eh?
Maybe it was Ched's own words that convicted him eh - given he and Donaldson gave different stories. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:22 - Jan 9 with 1266 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:20 - Jan 9 by reddythered |
In your opinion.
Because if it was CLEARLY not proven then he would have been found not guilty or had his appeal upheld. |
It has to be proven he did, not proven he did not to obtain a conviction. That's how the law works in criminal cases | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:26 - Jan 9 with 1262 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:22 - Jan 9 by controversial_jack |
It has to be proven he did, not proven he did not to obtain a conviction. That's how the law works in criminal cases |
It was proven to a juries satisfaction, ergo it was therefore proven that he did.
That's how the law works in criminal cases.
For an appeal to succeed, it has to be determined the original decision was fundamentally incorrect and set aside as a consequence.
That's how the law works in criminal case appeals. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:31 - Jan 9 with 1249 views | controversial_jack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:26 - Jan 9 by reddythered |
It was proven to a juries satisfaction, ergo it was therefore proven that he did.
That's how the law works in criminal cases.
For an appeal to succeed, it has to be determined the original decision was fundamentally incorrect and set aside as a consequence.
That's how the law works in criminal case appeals. |
If one persons word is deemed proof against another's in a court of law, then we are in big trouble | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:31 - Jan 9 with 1248 views | SkewenJack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:26 - Jan 9 by reddythered |
It was proven to a juries satisfaction, ergo it was therefore proven that he did.
That's how the law works in criminal cases.
For an appeal to succeed, it has to be determined the original decision was fundamentally incorrect and set aside as a consequence.
That's how the law works in criminal case appeals. |
one juries guilty verdict is another juries innocent verdict.
so factually no, it was not proven he did it, it was proven that a group of pubic members on jury service assumed he did. major difference. | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:35 - Jan 9 with 1241 views | controversial_jack |
This is as unsafe a conviction as you will see anywhere! It happened to a friend of mine, one persons word against another and then the obligatory 5 year sentence was handed out. It was quashed on appeal, not until he had lost everything. Be under no illusion British courts are convicting people without any evidence whatsoever. There is little to choose between our justice system and that of any third world country | | | |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:38 - Jan 9 with 1231 views | perchrockjack |
Its unsafe ion your eyes.
Ive seen fellas walk free from court after being pulled from the burning wreck they has stolen and crashed.
Denied being in it and walked free so it works both ways..
Its weird that on our site Evans has so much support | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:38 - Jan 9 with 1241 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham deal is off! on 17:31 - Jan 9 by SkewenJack |
one juries guilty verdict is another juries innocent verdict.
so factually no, it was not proven he did it, it was proven that a group of pubic members on jury service assumed he did. major difference. |
Dear god.
So nobody has ever been proven guilty of any crime whatsoever based upon that logic.
Let's have no prisons, no prisoners just a Mad Max-esque wasteland because nobody can ever be proven of anything to the satisfaction of some. | |
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