| Match thread 19:07 - Feb 18 with 12842 views | rafc1984 |
Team news -
Dale
Lillis
Rafferty
Eastham
O ' Connell
Done
Kennedy
Vincenti
Lund
Rose
Henderson
Hogan
Subs
Thomson
Cavanagh
Lancashire
Donnelly
Gray
Porter
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| Match thread on 23:19 - Feb 18 with 2119 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread on 23:10 - Feb 18 by DaleFan7 |
For me, Done offers nothing, either going forward or defensively. I'd rather he put Rose back at left back and a midfielder on the left wing. Be it Henderson/Vincenti/Porter. |
Done was my man of the match against Morecambe. Its all about opinions. |  | | |
| Match thread on 23:25 - Feb 18 with 2089 views | DaleFan7 |
| Match thread on 23:19 - Feb 18 by TalkingSutty |
Done was my man of the match against Morecambe. Its all about opinions. |
It is as Rose was mine xD! |  | | |
| Match thread on 23:29 - Feb 18 with 2060 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread on 23:10 - Feb 18 by DaleFan7 |
For me, Done offers nothing, either going forward or defensively. I'd rather he put Rose back at left back and a midfielder on the left wing. Be it Henderson/Vincenti/Porter. |
I'm going to refrain from answering your claim that "Done offers nothing going forward" - and instead point out that what's worked so well as we've moved to the edge of the autos is the Done/Rose combo - which allows Done the freedom to break from deep and cause havoc - but for his intervention we wouldn't have won on Saturday, for instance.
But take Rose out of the left-hand side and it not only puts him in no-man's land but restricts Done's foraging - as evidenced tonight. He didn't get forward once during the entire game.
Baffling tactics, negating the best of both players, plus Henderson! [Post edited 18 Feb 2014 23:59]
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| Match thread on 23:47 - Feb 18 with 1998 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread on 23:29 - Feb 18 by D_Alien |
I'm going to refrain from answering your claim that "Done offers nothing going forward" - and instead point out that what's worked so well as we've moved to the edge of the autos is the Done/Rose combo - which allows Done the freedom to break from deep and cause havoc - but for his intervention we wouldn't have won on Saturday, for instance.
But take Rose out of the left-hand side and it not only puts him in no-man's land but restricts Done's foraging - as evidenced tonight. He didn't get forward once during the entire game.
Baffling tactics, negating the best of both players, plus Henderson! [Post edited 18 Feb 2014 23:59]
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Just listened to Hillys post match interview and he is once again angry at the supporters for not realising what Burtons tactics where tonight. He thought our reaction helped Burton. Also thinks we are expecting to much and shouldn't be putting to much pressure on the players who are over achieving. States he is trying to educate us but he might as well go on holiday !!
I don't like it when he keeps saying the players are over achieving because it gives them an excuse and a reason to fall short. Quite a few of them are well capable of playing at a higher level that's obvious to see and the fans have every right to think we can go for promotion or the play offs. Its a natural reaction for supporters think their team can get success when it comes to the last third of the season and your team is up near the top.
Supporters could decide to stay at home and watch the Champions League but they come to support the team so the ones who turned up tonight can do without Hillys "broken record" swipes at the fans when he is being interviewed, the Barnsley fans got fed up of it as well.
If they feel the pressure playing in front of 2000 fans god help them if and when they progress their careers, Hilly wants to get off his high horse, fancy stating he is trying to "educate us", the arrogant bugger. | | | |
| Match thread on 23:54 - Feb 18 with 1964 views | DaleFan7 |
| Match thread on 23:47 - Feb 18 by TalkingSutty |
Just listened to Hillys post match interview and he is once again angry at the supporters for not realising what Burtons tactics where tonight. He thought our reaction helped Burton. Also thinks we are expecting to much and shouldn't be putting to much pressure on the players who are over achieving. States he is trying to educate us but he might as well go on holiday !!
I don't like it when he keeps saying the players are over achieving because it gives them an excuse and a reason to fall short. Quite a few of them are well capable of playing at a higher level that's obvious to see and the fans have every right to think we can go for promotion or the play offs. Its a natural reaction for supporters think their team can get success when it comes to the last third of the season and your team is up near the top.
Supporters could decide to stay at home and watch the Champions League but they come to support the team so the ones who turned up tonight can do without Hillys "broken record" swipes at the fans when he is being interviewed, the Barnsley fans got fed up of it as well.
If they feel the pressure playing in front of 2000 fans god help them if and when they progress their careers, Hilly wants to get off his high horse, fancy stating he is trying to "educate us", the arrogant bugger. |
We have little fans as it is, he'd probably do better to not piss them off too :L! I don't get how the players can be 'over achieving' to be honest. If the target this season wasn't the play offs then surely you have to question the ambition?
It is like a broken record and is boring now blaming the fans when it's usually just one person in the Main Stand that shouts something at him. I thought most of the crowd was quite supportive of the team tonight with Champions League games on tonight. We're never going to get big crowds, but the fans we have no we need to keep. | | | |
| Match thread on 23:55 - Feb 18 with 1956 views | SuddenLad |
| Match thread on 23:47 - Feb 18 by TalkingSutty |
Just listened to Hillys post match interview and he is once again angry at the supporters for not realising what Burtons tactics where tonight. He thought our reaction helped Burton. Also thinks we are expecting to much and shouldn't be putting to much pressure on the players who are over achieving. States he is trying to educate us but he might as well go on holiday !!
I don't like it when he keeps saying the players are over achieving because it gives them an excuse and a reason to fall short. Quite a few of them are well capable of playing at a higher level that's obvious to see and the fans have every right to think we can go for promotion or the play offs. Its a natural reaction for supporters think their team can get success when it comes to the last third of the season and your team is up near the top.
Supporters could decide to stay at home and watch the Champions League but they come to support the team so the ones who turned up tonight can do without Hillys "broken record" swipes at the fans when he is being interviewed, the Barnsley fans got fed up of it as well.
If they feel the pressure playing in front of 2000 fans god help them if and when they progress their careers, Hilly wants to get off his high horse, fancy stating he is trying to "educate us", the arrogant bugger. |
I can see his point of view sometimes. The game was 3 minutes old tonight when some pr!ck sat in a row behind me decided to single out Jason Kennedy for 'special treatment'. As he was nowhere near the ball at the time, it was a pathetic remark.
Said idiot continued to have a go at him all the time until he was subbed and then picked on Hendo.
KH can certainly hear what's being said, so it can't come as a surprise when he mentions it. He has said he isn't referring to ALL supporters in his comments, but some of them do beggar belief and rightly, KH feels angry.
As for Burton's tactics, they obviously use the same coaching manual as Morecambe though with better players. The assault on Lund just a few minutes into the second half was a disgrace and for the officials to have 'missed' the incident is equally shameful.
Blatant time-wasting, officials in the dug-out haranguing the linesman every time he ran level with them, snide off the ball incidents - they really are embarrassing.
Ironically, they are a decent side who don't need to resort to that sort of game. They have enough about them to do a proper job. More fool them. [Post edited 19 Feb 2014 0:01]
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| Match thread on 23:57 - Feb 18 with 1951 views | 442Dale |
There were no more than a handful who were saying "get it forward". They won't change so he should stop mentioning it, but we've said all this before.
There is no need to educate, almost everyone appreciates our methods and what we're trying to achieve.
If this gets more press in various media, it does nobody any good. |  |
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| Match thread on 00:03 - Feb 19 with 1919 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread on 23:57 - Feb 18 by 442Dale |
There were no more than a handful who were saying "get it forward". They won't change so he should stop mentioning it, but we've said all this before.
There is no need to educate, almost everyone appreciates our methods and what we're trying to achieve.
If this gets more press in various media, it does nobody any good. |
I'd love to hear him "educate" us as to why he thinks playing Rose in a central position does anything except interfere with the entire balance of the side.
He was out-thought tonight by Rowett. Maybe that's what affected the players, not random shouts from the crowd.
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| Match thread on 00:04 - Feb 19 with 1918 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread on 23:54 - Feb 18 by DaleFan7 |
We have little fans as it is, he'd probably do better to not piss them off too :L! I don't get how the players can be 'over achieving' to be honest. If the target this season wasn't the play offs then surely you have to question the ambition?
It is like a broken record and is boring now blaming the fans when it's usually just one person in the Main Stand that shouts something at him. I thought most of the crowd was quite supportive of the team tonight with Champions League games on tonight. We're never going to get big crowds, but the fans we have no we need to keep. |
Maybe its the manager who is feeling the pressure because whenever there is a dodgy performance at home he seems to suggest the fans reaction is to blame.
We all have different opinions and see the game differently and some like their football played in a certain way so he will never please everybody, as a educated fella it baffles me why he doesn't realise that.
Its like the fans are the club cat and when things don't go to plan he will give it a quick boot !! | | | |
| Match thread on 00:08 - Feb 19 with 1903 views | RotherhamDale |
| Match thread on 23:57 - Feb 18 by 442Dale |
There were no more than a handful who were saying "get it forward". They won't change so he should stop mentioning it, but we've said all this before.
There is no need to educate, almost everyone appreciates our methods and what we're trying to achieve.
If this gets more press in various media, it does nobody any good. |
It's beyond boring.
He says he's trying to 'educate' us... Maybe he should 'educate' our midfielders to show for the ball when O'Connell brings it out from the back, or maybe he should 'educate' Done and Rose to not make the same run as each other 9/10 times.
He thinks we're all idiots who know nothing about the game. |  |
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| Match thread on 02:05 - Feb 19 with 1802 views | Sandyman |
As written on other threads, our fans have shown respect to Burton prior to the game, as they come with a reputation of being very solid and well organised in defence, something Hilly will surely have been aware of. The league table proves they are good at what they do, and they proved it again tonight. No need to be "educated" on that score - we got a hard earned point against a decent team so can't see why there are moans and groans.
Oops, I forgot - it's football - there are ALWAYS moans and groans!!
The ref was pants, that's my moan. |  | | |
| Match thread on 02:06 - Feb 19 with 1800 views | pioneer |
| Match thread on 00:08 - Feb 19 by RotherhamDale |
It's beyond boring.
He says he's trying to 'educate' us... Maybe he should 'educate' our midfielders to show for the ball when O'Connell brings it out from the back, or maybe he should 'educate' Done and Rose to not make the same run as each other 9/10 times.
He thinks we're all idiots who know nothing about the game. |
Maybe he should educate the marketing arm of the club - all our fears of a miserable attendance proved true - and what does he do - pi** off a fair few of those who were there paying their money.
Seems like he is beginning to feel the pressure. | | | |
| Match thread on 06:40 - Feb 19 with 1754 views | pnc4eva1 |
Burton's tactics were the same as always tonight. They closed down on the full backs to prevent our normal distribution methods. They also closed down in wide areas to prevent any width to the game.
In the centre of the park they allowed us to make progress to the centre circle before closing down. Ultimately this meant the centre halves resorting to the long ball. When the long ball was lofted forward their defence wa well drilled in how to deal with it.
Burton to me employed negative but effective tactics. They're not pretty to watch but manage to get points playing the way they do. Also they were prepared to stick the boot in with some dreadful challenges which were not dealt with by another cowardly official.
Hill's biggest tactical mistake tonight was not Rose and his position but Kennedy instead of Cav. Kennedy is a good forward playing midfielder. He is not the player to put in front of the defence and to keep things simple. It would also have been nice to see someone willing to put their boot in when Burton started to leave their tackles until 10 minutes after the ball had gone (Donnelly was lucky not to get booked for his late tackle) |  |
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| Match thread on 07:55 - Feb 19 with 1687 views | aleanddale |
| Match thread on 20:55 - Feb 18 by richfoad32 |
Anyone else concerned that should this season eventually come down to the playoffs that we haven't managed a single win against our fellow Top 7 teams? |
Its a decent point you make ref our record against top seven teams tempered with 2 points.
1. we have drawn quite a few ( Chesterfield twice - Oxford and Burton & Southend )
2. We have league Two BEST record for points gained when playing teams 13-24.
We take the point from an at times frustrating game and we move on. | | | |
| Match thread on 08:12 - Feb 19 with 1670 views | 1907 |
Cav and Lancashire need to be back in the team on Saturday.
Rose needs to be back at fullback but we all know that isn't going to happen. It's actually beckng unfair due to pretty much all fans becoming frustrated when he's constantly played out of position.
No idea what Hery, Bunney, Cummins, Bennett have done to just disappear from the team.
I'm all for keeping the ball at the back but something needs to be done about O'Connell's distribution. 80% of the time it is very, very poor.
Here's one. Do we not practice corners in training? Last nights efforts were beyond embarrassing.
Burton were there for the taking last night. Yes they were defensively sound. But we most definitely have the quality in this side to tear any team in this division apart. Where's the "No Fear" attitude gone? Or isit just all the fans fault time again? Come on Keith you're much, much better than that. | | | |
| Match thread on 08:18 - Feb 19 with 1594 views | ColDale |
We know its a minority but that doesn't stop it pissing you off.
I went in the main stand against Dagenham, sitting not far from Hill, and I couldn't believe the negativity in there. Even Henderson got booed at one point after a free kick went wrong. Had the reaction last night been similar, then I fully get him having his say after the game as we all left that Daggers game remarking on the crowd reaction. Of course, there's the argument that Hilly shouldn't have said anything because he's Dale boss, but there's been plenty of occasions where he's been full of praise for Dale fans this year, and I'm not that precious that I want a manager who comes out with dull interviews for fear of being offended.
From what I saw of last night's game, I thought it was a cracking Lge 2 game, and like so many have said, we've seen so many games over the years like that which has ended in defeat. I was impressed with Burton. They looked to have the chunkiest team I've ever seen at this level but their running was fantastic from start to finish, and they did well to keep it up. Yes there were negative aspects to their play, but we're a very good side and teams will find ways to frustrate us now - they're not going to out football us.
Second half I thought we were very good even tho we had a bit of luck about our goal. Our movement was great, and I bet there's not been many teams that come back against Burton. The game was exactly suiting their game plan.
Pleased with a point, and we're arguably in a stronger position than we were before kick off. |  | | |
| Match thread on 08:47 - Feb 19 with 1550 views | TalkingSutty |
| Match thread on 08:18 - Feb 19 by ColDale |
We know its a minority but that doesn't stop it pissing you off.
I went in the main stand against Dagenham, sitting not far from Hill, and I couldn't believe the negativity in there. Even Henderson got booed at one point after a free kick went wrong. Had the reaction last night been similar, then I fully get him having his say after the game as we all left that Daggers game remarking on the crowd reaction. Of course, there's the argument that Hilly shouldn't have said anything because he's Dale boss, but there's been plenty of occasions where he's been full of praise for Dale fans this year, and I'm not that precious that I want a manager who comes out with dull interviews for fear of being offended.
From what I saw of last night's game, I thought it was a cracking Lge 2 game, and like so many have said, we've seen so many games over the years like that which has ended in defeat. I was impressed with Burton. They looked to have the chunkiest team I've ever seen at this level but their running was fantastic from start to finish, and they did well to keep it up. Yes there were negative aspects to their play, but we're a very good side and teams will find ways to frustrate us now - they're not going to out football us.
Second half I thought we were very good even tho we had a bit of luck about our goal. Our movement was great, and I bet there's not been many teams that come back against Burton. The game was exactly suiting their game plan.
Pleased with a point, and we're arguably in a stronger position than we were before kick off. |
Agree with most of that but if it is the few moaners in the main stand who are getting Hills back up then he should mention that in his post match interviews, he should single them out. Instead he states we need educating and assisted Burton in their performance, basically he just insults the fan base.
Its not a case of being too precious as a supporter, its more a case of Hills lack of respect and his overinflated opinion that none of us know a thing about the game but we are lucky because he can "educate us". Talk about being up your own arse !!
If he wants to insult the supporters there are plenty of us who will give it him back so why doesn't he just concentrate on footballing matters. It was a good point last night but in Hills eyes we assisted Burton, so whats the point in paying hard earned money turning up for games ?
The only person who appears to be feeling the pressure is the manager because the players are bang at it most games and we are "educated" enough to see that for ourselves. | | | |
| Match thread on 08:57 - Feb 19 with 1526 views | 442Dale |
The support the players received was good last night, there were very few negative comments and the issue may well have been the same one that irritated many near the dugouts last night. Some fans might need educating about the game, but it's difficult to have a go at them when they're being relentlessly supportive at the same time as saying "forward Dale". It certainly wasn't the moaning of old that has been talked of before on here. | |
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| Match thread on 09:16 - Feb 19 with 1497 views | ParkinsGimp |
Wouldnt agree that it was a "cracking League 2 game" I would say it was an ugly game.
Burton came to spoil and did just that , they were very physical.
You get moaners at all grounds, Mr Hill should grow up and accept this as part of the job, he couldnt cope with it at Barnsley, imagine if he went any higher?
He just upsets the other hardy fans who turned up last night by suggesting that none of us have any knowledge of football.
Brush it aside and carry on it was a poor game for Dale, you get them , every team does.
I would have to disagree with the MOM though Vincente?????? Are they sure?
He looks so lacklustre and weak.
It also amazed me that Rose wasnt taken off, he had a dreadful game.
Poor Raff and Done were both beaten tonight by better players it happens , hopefully they will learn from the experience.
The tactic were definitely wrong but I couldnt see what else we could do with the manpower at our disposal agianst lumps like Burton.
Also dont believe Cavanagh would of done anything tonight!
Would of liked to see this whizz kid from burnley have a go on the wing run at them and maybe Jamie Allen in Mid instead of Rose , bit more creativity and attitude.
We earned a point tonight which could be vital, hopefully they will all learn from it and kick in the next matches. | | | |
| Match thread on 09:34 - Feb 19 with 1486 views | SuddenLad |
| Match thread on 08:57 - Feb 19 by 442Dale |
The support the players received was good last night, there were very few negative comments and the issue may well have been the same one that irritated many near the dugouts last night. Some fans might need educating about the game, but it's difficult to have a go at them when they're being relentlessly supportive at the same time as saying "forward Dale". It certainly wasn't the moaning of old that has been talked of before on here. |
95% of the support is good every game. Some of the 'negative' comments and jibes at individual players last night, encouraged the visiting officials to join in and ended up with a brief but heated spat between them and the Dale supporters sat nearby. Nothing too OTT but unedifying to say the least, especially coming from the perceived 'Posh Seats'. All settled with handshakes at the final whistle.
I understand what KH is saying by needing to 'educate' some people, but some of the goons who make these remarks are beyond help. They're stuck in the Barrow era or earlier. They've spouted the same tripe for generations, they've just changed the name of the 'target'.
No doubt in years gone by, KH himself was a target for the crass remarks from the same people. I'm sure if you sat down with KH he would accept unreservedly that the comments are few and far between, but it is the constant drip, drip effect which eventually provokes a reaction. I don't blame him to be honest. The team is his project and as the man charged with protecting his players, he is right to speak out and I don't recall any comment he has made where he claims that ALL supporters are responsible. Sadly, neither he nor anyone else will stop it.
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| Match thread on 09:54 - Feb 19 with 1452 views | SalwaDale |
Re: Rose. I thought Rose was quite poor first half last night, not really showing for the ball and his passing was not great. Then he went out wide, still not too much improvement. Was amazed that Kennedy went off before him. The introduction of GD brought Rose back inside and the momentum swung our way. Those 10 minutes after he came on we were well on top, and who was pulling all the strings?, Michael Rose. Am I the only one that saw that? Some of his passing in that part of the match was sublime. |  |
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| Match thread on 10:00 - Feb 19 with 1429 views | sandylaner1 |
We need cavanagh back in the team
Would start against Exeter with
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Hendo jk cav Lund rose
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| Match thread on 12:02 - Feb 19 with 1353 views | PaulH84 |
Just for a change went and sat just behind the dugouts in the 2nd half last night.
We have some really impatient and idiotic fans sat there who seem to be having a game of oneupmanship so far as shouting silly comments goes.
Not surprised Hilly gets annoyed. | | | |
| Match thread on 14:43 - Feb 19 with 1268 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Match thread on 09:54 - Feb 19 by SalwaDale |
Re: Rose. I thought Rose was quite poor first half last night, not really showing for the ball and his passing was not great. Then he went out wide, still not too much improvement. Was amazed that Kennedy went off before him. The introduction of GD brought Rose back inside and the momentum swung our way. Those 10 minutes after he came on we were well on top, and who was pulling all the strings?, Michael Rose. Am I the only one that saw that? Some of his passing in that part of the match was sublime. |
Hallelujah, someone else who watched the same game as I did! Rose had a good game last night. When Kennedy was subbed off, Rose moved into a more central role and was superb there. Nearly all our attacking play came through him. His passing was brilliant. The slide rule reverse pass to play in Rafferty as an example. The fact Rafferty blazed the cross over the bar makes it irrelevant now like.
Last night was a tough battle between what are two very good sides in this division, both with different styles of play.
Ismail on the wing was tormenting Matt Done in the first half and Alexander was proving to be a right handful for our defence as well but we dealt well with him overall. Thought O'Connell and Eastham did well for the most part, especially given they were given little protection from Kennedy who didn't have a good game at all. The sooner Cavanagh comes back into the side the better.
Burton's pressing pinned our midfield back beyond what we'd have liked and that created a big gap between midfield and Hogan which left him isolated up front for most of the first half. Vincenti had a very good game and worked his socks off, likewise Lund.
Second half was a different story and the introduction of Donnelly changed things, he was a nuisance to their defence, even if his decision making was really poor. His endeavor allowed us to put more pressure on, Rose was trying to pull the strings and eventually we got a deserved equaliser through a combination of luck, a foul, and bad goalkeeping.
Said before Saturday that I'd be happy with 4 points from the two games so I'm pleased really.
The next month or so is massive, we've got some huge games. Exeter away is one of those we very rarely get anything from, a point would be a good result, then we have a huge game in Oxford at home, must win game if we've genuine hopes of automatic promotion. Bury away will be a tough game as well as we all know and then Torquay away, again where we rarely get anything. What would be a good outcome from that bunch? 8 points enough? 10 points realistic? It's hotting up to be a very exciting end of season. |  |
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| Match thread on 14:59 - Feb 19 with 1240 views | Dale27 |
| Match thread on 14:43 - Feb 19 by ChaffRAFC |
Hallelujah, someone else who watched the same game as I did! Rose had a good game last night. When Kennedy was subbed off, Rose moved into a more central role and was superb there. Nearly all our attacking play came through him. His passing was brilliant. The slide rule reverse pass to play in Rafferty as an example. The fact Rafferty blazed the cross over the bar makes it irrelevant now like.
Last night was a tough battle between what are two very good sides in this division, both with different styles of play.
Ismail on the wing was tormenting Matt Done in the first half and Alexander was proving to be a right handful for our defence as well but we dealt well with him overall. Thought O'Connell and Eastham did well for the most part, especially given they were given little protection from Kennedy who didn't have a good game at all. The sooner Cavanagh comes back into the side the better.
Burton's pressing pinned our midfield back beyond what we'd have liked and that created a big gap between midfield and Hogan which left him isolated up front for most of the first half. Vincenti had a very good game and worked his socks off, likewise Lund.
Second half was a different story and the introduction of Donnelly changed things, he was a nuisance to their defence, even if his decision making was really poor. His endeavor allowed us to put more pressure on, Rose was trying to pull the strings and eventually we got a deserved equaliser through a combination of luck, a foul, and bad goalkeeping.
Said before Saturday that I'd be happy with 4 points from the two games so I'm pleased really.
The next month or so is massive, we've got some huge games. Exeter away is one of those we very rarely get anything from, a point would be a good result, then we have a huge game in Oxford at home, must win game if we've genuine hopes of automatic promotion. Bury away will be a tough game as well as we all know and then Torquay away, again where we rarely get anything. What would be a good outcome from that bunch? 8 points enough? 10 points realistic? It's hotting up to be a very exciting end of season. |
Agree with all of that barring Rose had a good game. Apart from a 10 minute spell in the 2nd half where he whipped some great balls into the box, he was very poor - especially when central.
Business end of the season now, and Rose shouldn't be anywhere near occupying a central midfield position. Cavanagh, Lund and Allen provide a very effective central 3, and in my opinion should be stuck with for a few games, introducing Kennedy as and when tired legs are evident. | | | |
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