| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. 10:56 - Jan 5 with 4470 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Darling is leaving. Precedent suggests there is no chance of signing a new deal.
If Swansea can get even £1m for him that would be good business.
For his remaining 20 weeks that would work out at £50k a week. Add his wages of say £5-6k that is £55k a week saved.
Bring in Low and money for a quality loan striker like Barry from Villa if the plan is to go for top 6. |  |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 01:41 - Jan 6 with 1210 views | BarryTownSwam |
Or keep Darling. Play him alongside Cabango, Low or whoever until end of season. We get a stronger central defence which allows the team development to take place around it. A fit & motivated (we assume he doesn’t down tools!) Harry Darling in a Swans side for the next 5 months could be a win/win for everyone - Swans team stronger, allows Liw or whoever to bed in with next season in mind, Darling sees out his contract & gets the pay day he wants. The rumoured £1m figure some posters are throwing around is small fry if other players are sold, released or paid off in the next 2 transfer windows. |  | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 05:09 - Jan 6 with 1144 views | STID2017 |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 01:41 - Jan 6 by BarryTownSwam |
Or keep Darling. Play him alongside Cabango, Low or whoever until end of season. We get a stronger central defence which allows the team development to take place around it. A fit & motivated (we assume he doesn’t down tools!) Harry Darling in a Swans side for the next 5 months could be a win/win for everyone - Swans team stronger, allows Liw or whoever to bed in with next season in mind, Darling sees out his contract & gets the pay day he wants. The rumoured £1m figure some posters are throwing around is small fry if other players are sold, released or paid off in the next 2 transfer windows. |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:24 - Jan 6 with 1105 views | Dr_Winston |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 23:52 - Jan 5 by STID2017 |
Not confusing anything and no need to be rude, smarmy and arrogant
We have no strength in depth.
Take away Franco, Darling, Cullen, and Cabango from our first choice eleven and the result will be a Portsmouth style result every game.
If you could not see how dominant WBA were yesterday and how much we had Darling to thank yesterday for his part then maybe you are watching a different game from most of us.
Take Darling out of that defence yesterday and you honestly believe we would have drawn ? |
I'm not sure where I'm supposed to think that we played well on Saturday, but if the team is continually sent out to play the way it was against Portsmouth and WBA then yes, we're going to look terrible.
People get so focused on us they forget to look elsewhere. The truth is we have a bog standard squad for a bog standard division. Five or six good players and a lot of mediocrity. Nowhere near the best, nowhere near the worst. We lack the resources to compete at the top end, but are better run than the rubbish like Cardiff at the bottom. Every Summer there are plenty of people who love a bit of misery predicting our imminent relegation because our players are all so bad, and we've never been even close to it.
Good managers get more out of their players than the sum of the parts. Williams so far has not demonstrated himself to be a good manager. Clearly the players aren't playing as well as they can do, and a number of them have regressed under his stewardship. Compare the Ronald when he first burst onto the scene to the one we have now Lukey has had a year to work on him. [Post edited 6 Jan 7:35]
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:54 - Jan 6 with 1074 views | jackrmee |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 20:18 - Jan 5 by Whiterockin |
It's entirely up to Darling if he goes or not. If he stays the next 6 months he will get a signing on fee to set him and his family up for life. Take the personalities out of it, what would you do. |
SCFC have messed up, so we should match any potential signing on fee. |  |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 08:55 - Jan 6 with 1026 views | jack247 |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:24 - Jan 6 by Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure where I'm supposed to think that we played well on Saturday, but if the team is continually sent out to play the way it was against Portsmouth and WBA then yes, we're going to look terrible.
People get so focused on us they forget to look elsewhere. The truth is we have a bog standard squad for a bog standard division. Five or six good players and a lot of mediocrity. Nowhere near the best, nowhere near the worst. We lack the resources to compete at the top end, but are better run than the rubbish like Cardiff at the bottom. Every Summer there are plenty of people who love a bit of misery predicting our imminent relegation because our players are all so bad, and we've never been even close to it.
Good managers get more out of their players than the sum of the parts. Williams so far has not demonstrated himself to be a good manager. Clearly the players aren't playing as well as they can do, and a number of them have regressed under his stewardship. Compare the Ronald when he first burst onto the scene to the one we have now Lukey has had a year to work on him. [Post edited 6 Jan 7:35]
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This isn’t the case. Our starting eleven, if we had a decent striker, should be able to compete with all but the very best in the division. In a cup final, I’d fancy us against most teams.
Beyond that, we’re as weak as anyone. The likes of Cardiff and Plymouth have deeper squads. Look at our bench any given game. The only time it looks acceptable is when the likes of Key, Franco and Bianchini are on it. I’d be surprised if any other team had the likes of Christie as their third choice centre back. Amazed if they are mid table.
With 20 man matchday squads and 5 subs per game, we’re at a disadvantage. I’m not at all surprised we looked completely jaded against Portsmouth and West Brom. I’m sure Luke Williams’ comments didn’t help, but we’ve got a longer term issue that that, compounded over the busy Christmas period. | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 09:16 - Jan 6 with 989 views | onehunglow |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:24 - Jan 6 by Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure where I'm supposed to think that we played well on Saturday, but if the team is continually sent out to play the way it was against Portsmouth and WBA then yes, we're going to look terrible.
People get so focused on us they forget to look elsewhere. The truth is we have a bog standard squad for a bog standard division. Five or six good players and a lot of mediocrity. Nowhere near the best, nowhere near the worst. We lack the resources to compete at the top end, but are better run than the rubbish like Cardiff at the bottom. Every Summer there are plenty of people who love a bit of misery predicting our imminent relegation because our players are all so bad, and we've never been even close to it.
Good managers get more out of their players than the sum of the parts. Williams so far has not demonstrated himself to be a good manager. Clearly the players aren't playing as well as they can do, and a number of them have regressed under his stewardship. Compare the Ronald when he first burst onto the scene to the one we have now Lukey has had a year to work on him. [Post edited 6 Jan 7:35]
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No.
People predictions are based on the talent of the s1uad and the ability of the coach to develop them. Into a forceful football team .
Right now, we are pitifully weak mentally and players look lost.
This league is very level with no outstanding bad teams destained for the drop. We couldn’t beat a dire Cardiff and might again fail to do so very soon. We have not beaten Pompey,twice . Only an utter fool would dismiss the possibility of relegation when a league is so mediocre but level .
It’s about preparing for the worst but hoping for the best .
This upsets some fans apparently . It becomes personal . It shouldn’t .
There is more chance of us falling down than getting up.
We could sell Darling then fail to bring in a quality replacement or fail to bring in anyone ,as has happened before . I’m hoping we have learned . We might not have . | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 09:20 - Jan 6 with 991 views | pete |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:24 - Jan 6 by Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure where I'm supposed to think that we played well on Saturday, but if the team is continually sent out to play the way it was against Portsmouth and WBA then yes, we're going to look terrible.
People get so focused on us they forget to look elsewhere. The truth is we have a bog standard squad for a bog standard division. Five or six good players and a lot of mediocrity. Nowhere near the best, nowhere near the worst. We lack the resources to compete at the top end, but are better run than the rubbish like Cardiff at the bottom. Every Summer there are plenty of people who love a bit of misery predicting our imminent relegation because our players are all so bad, and we've never been even close to it.
Good managers get more out of their players than the sum of the parts. Williams so far has not demonstrated himself to be a good manager. Clearly the players aren't playing as well as they can do, and a number of them have regressed under his stewardship. Compare the Ronald when he first burst onto the scene to the one we have now Lukey has had a year to work on him. [Post edited 6 Jan 7:35]
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good morning Dr, on the face of it and puerly for the financial side think you are not far off the mark, BUT putting that aside do Swansea city fc want to climb the table attract better players bring back the crowds and have an amition to get to the top or not? whilst i think we can all agree the previous owners and latterly remarks by our manager have certanly not helped the situation, Mr Darling is one of if not the key to a succcesful team, its only my opinion of course but the club should go the extra mile to keep him, make him team captain if still here Mr Grimes could still be club captain, show us joe public the club wants to be up there competing at the top and want to be succesful not letting possibly our best player walk away for nothing or getting less than a million for him, do we know the players thoughts on the matter? if the money was right in his eyes would he want to stay? you and every other supporter wants whats best for the Swans we do not know the behind scene goings on but again only my opinion if the new owners show they want to take the club upwards the above would show a start, otherwise we will have exchanged 1 set of american owners with NO intrest in the swans for another set of some or simular ambition | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 09:42 - Jan 6 with 941 views | onehunglow |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 09:20 - Jan 6 by pete |
good morning Dr, on the face of it and puerly for the financial side think you are not far off the mark, BUT putting that aside do Swansea city fc want to climb the table attract better players bring back the crowds and have an amition to get to the top or not? whilst i think we can all agree the previous owners and latterly remarks by our manager have certanly not helped the situation, Mr Darling is one of if not the key to a succcesful team, its only my opinion of course but the club should go the extra mile to keep him, make him team captain if still here Mr Grimes could still be club captain, show us joe public the club wants to be up there competing at the top and want to be succesful not letting possibly our best player walk away for nothing or getting less than a million for him, do we know the players thoughts on the matter? if the money was right in his eyes would he want to stay? you and every other supporter wants whats best for the Swans we do not know the behind scene goings on but again only my opinion if the new owners show they want to take the club upwards the above would show a start, otherwise we will have exchanged 1 set of american owners with NO intrest in the swans for another set of some or simular ambition |
Mr Grimes !
It’s got a ring to it | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 12:52 - Jan 6 with 861 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 09:20 - Jan 6 by pete |
good morning Dr, on the face of it and puerly for the financial side think you are not far off the mark, BUT putting that aside do Swansea city fc want to climb the table attract better players bring back the crowds and have an amition to get to the top or not? whilst i think we can all agree the previous owners and latterly remarks by our manager have certanly not helped the situation, Mr Darling is one of if not the key to a succcesful team, its only my opinion of course but the club should go the extra mile to keep him, make him team captain if still here Mr Grimes could still be club captain, show us joe public the club wants to be up there competing at the top and want to be succesful not letting possibly our best player walk away for nothing or getting less than a million for him, do we know the players thoughts on the matter? if the money was right in his eyes would he want to stay? you and every other supporter wants whats best for the Swans we do not know the behind scene goings on but again only my opinion if the new owners show they want to take the club upwards the above would show a start, otherwise we will have exchanged 1 set of american owners with NO intrest in the swans for another set of some or simular ambition |
"One set of American owners for another one". In general American owners will not bankrupt the club or put it into serious financial stress as seen with far east owners at Wi gf and and Birmingham.
Levien and co got relegated because of bad Welsh work in the transfer market and some bad luck with injured.
They tried another way with Martin s philosophy. They finished about 10th and pumped in over £20m. It is lazy to say they did not care.
They put their money down and failed and sold up cheaply to give someone else a chance . I know the new owners did not pay full market value. No where near.
The new people have offered Darling a good deal by the looks of it. WR says he is already on £15k a week.
Swansea have not been proactive in this situation and accepted Darlings words in good faith that he might sign a new deal. I believe he was never going to sign. Cut the talking and move him on after getting a replacement . That should have been the player brought in instead I if Abbey who was useless to Williams. Lissah has disappeared..
K&L got to two playoff s losing to a strong Brentford team. Cooper has some sensational talent to work with. | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 13:05 - Jan 6 with 838 views | pete |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 12:52 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"One set of American owners for another one". In general American owners will not bankrupt the club or put it into serious financial stress as seen with far east owners at Wi gf and and Birmingham.
Levien and co got relegated because of bad Welsh work in the transfer market and some bad luck with injured.
They tried another way with Martin s philosophy. They finished about 10th and pumped in over £20m. It is lazy to say they did not care.
They put their money down and failed and sold up cheaply to give someone else a chance . I know the new owners did not pay full market value. No where near.
The new people have offered Darling a good deal by the looks of it. WR says he is already on £15k a week.
Swansea have not been proactive in this situation and accepted Darlings words in good faith that he might sign a new deal. I believe he was never going to sign. Cut the talking and move him on after getting a replacement . That should have been the player brought in instead I if Abbey who was useless to Williams. Lissah has disappeared..
K&L got to two playoff s losing to a strong Brentford team. Cooper has some sensational talent to work with. |
they still did not care be honest
not getting into anything you have your thoughts i have mine | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 13:39 - Jan 6 with 792 views | QJumpingJack |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 12:52 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"One set of American owners for another one". In general American owners will not bankrupt the club or put it into serious financial stress as seen with far east owners at Wi gf and and Birmingham.
Levien and co got relegated because of bad Welsh work in the transfer market and some bad luck with injured.
They tried another way with Martin s philosophy. They finished about 10th and pumped in over £20m. It is lazy to say they did not care.
They put their money down and failed and sold up cheaply to give someone else a chance . I know the new owners did not pay full market value. No where near.
The new people have offered Darling a good deal by the looks of it. WR says he is already on £15k a week.
Swansea have not been proactive in this situation and accepted Darlings words in good faith that he might sign a new deal. I believe he was never going to sign. Cut the talking and move him on after getting a replacement . That should have been the player brought in instead I if Abbey who was useless to Williams. Lissah has disappeared..
K&L got to two playoff s losing to a strong Brentford team. Cooper has some sensational talent to work with. |
read this from 2018 and tell us how they delivered...
https://www.ft.com/content/d28b725e-3796-11e8-8eee-e06bde01c544 | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 14:11 - Jan 6 with 760 views | onehunglow |
We have had our hopes and reams destroyed and been forced to accept mediocrity
I’m not having it | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 15:16 - Jan 6 with 718 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
They failed I as I said. What I do not accept is that they did not care. The fans cannot complain . THEIR OWN GROUP was worth £22m in 2015-2016. They are the ones who did not give a fig. The member are to blame and not one accepts any blame for being asleep. That is why they cannot deliver and never will. | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 19:12 - Jan 6 with 655 views | SullutaCreturned |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 23:34 - Jan 5 by Dr_Winston |
Again, you're confusing piss poor managerial decisions for a lack of ability in the squad.
It's OK. Loads of people do it. |
Actually my opinion that our squad is poor is because once we get past the first 2 substitutions we literally have nobody decent to put on, we have inexperienced and largely unused players, like Tjoe A On, Lissah, Lloyd, Govea, Watts and Josh Thomas. Besides them we have Pederson, Naughton, Christie and of course the mostly unavailable Joe Allen.
We have no quality past the first 13/14 players. We have strikers that cannot score, we have Peart-Harris who just isn't good enough.
We could have Pep Guardiola running this team and results wouldn't be much better because a lot if our problems stem from a lack of strength in depth.
Poor managerial decisions don't help, obviously. If this league wasn't so generally poor, outside the top 3-4 the league is gash, we would be in trouble. | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 19:57 - Jan 6 with 622 views | Dr_Winston |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 19:12 - Jan 6 by SullutaCreturned |
Actually my opinion that our squad is poor is because once we get past the first 2 substitutions we literally have nobody decent to put on, we have inexperienced and largely unused players, like Tjoe A On, Lissah, Lloyd, Govea, Watts and Josh Thomas. Besides them we have Pederson, Naughton, Christie and of course the mostly unavailable Joe Allen.
We have no quality past the first 13/14 players. We have strikers that cannot score, we have Peart-Harris who just isn't good enough.
We could have Pep Guardiola running this team and results wouldn't be much better because a lot if our problems stem from a lack of strength in depth.
Poor managerial decisions don't help, obviously. If this league wasn't so generally poor, outside the top 3-4 the league is gash, we would be in trouble. |
Peart-Harris who Premier League Brentford have just extended the contract of.
Actually he's a perfect example of what I'm on about. A player who has been slagged to high heaven all season for not being good enough on the wing when he's not even a winger. That's not a strength in depth issue. It's a manager who can't see past his systems in order to give many of his players a fighting chance issue.
Most clubs in the division have a tidy first XI and then the quality drops off. What I'm finding hard to believe is why people seem to think that we're one of the worst cases of it. Are there really more than s handful of players at Cardiff for example who would improve our matchday squad? If players are inexperienced then why are so few of them getting time at the end of games to gain experience? Why is there still no sign of the likes of Wilson, Govea and Nzingo being involved in the first team?
This league has been poor barring the top four or five clubs since we got relegated back into it. There's nothing new there. | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 21:29 - Jan 6 with 557 views | KeithHaynes |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 19:57 - Jan 6 by Dr_Winston |
Peart-Harris who Premier League Brentford have just extended the contract of.
Actually he's a perfect example of what I'm on about. A player who has been slagged to high heaven all season for not being good enough on the wing when he's not even a winger. That's not a strength in depth issue. It's a manager who can't see past his systems in order to give many of his players a fighting chance issue.
Most clubs in the division have a tidy first XI and then the quality drops off. What I'm finding hard to believe is why people seem to think that we're one of the worst cases of it. Are there really more than s handful of players at Cardiff for example who would improve our matchday squad? If players are inexperienced then why are so few of them getting time at the end of games to gain experience? Why is there still no sign of the likes of Wilson, Govea and Nzingo being involved in the first team?
This league has been poor barring the top four or five clubs since we got relegated back into it. There's nothing new there. |
You want to see him in front of goal. |  |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 22:57 - Jan 6 with 456 views | majorraglan |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 16:51 - Jan 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why waste time and just tell me. As potential poster of the year you should give value to the forum and not fiddle about.
He can earn more elsewhere which is why he has not re signed. He can have his new monthly salary next month if he wants. If he is as very low wages relatively then he has an incentive to move this January. |
Depending what site you look at it’s been £15k and £20k per week.
The way I see it is he should have been offered a deal a long time ago, not offering a deal can make someone feel undervalued and eventually it’ll become personal. I’m not saying that’s happened here, but if he thinks I’m not good enough to get my contract and then someone from the club does eventually knock his door then he just might say @@@@@@ off!
Darling holds all the cards and the club have very limited room to manoeuvre, he’s taking a risk that he won’t pick up an injury, but the other side of the coin is a huge signing on bonus in the summer. If they want to keep him, the club will need to stump up a massive signing on fee, a big increase in salary and a contract with a buy out clause where he can pick up another nice little earner from being sold in the future. | | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 23:16 - Jan 6 with 427 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 22:57 - Jan 6 by majorraglan |
Depending what site you look at it’s been £15k and £20k per week.
The way I see it is he should have been offered a deal a long time ago, not offering a deal can make someone feel undervalued and eventually it’ll become personal. I’m not saying that’s happened here, but if he thinks I’m not good enough to get my contract and then someone from the club does eventually knock his door then he just might say @@@@@@ off!
Darling holds all the cards and the club have very limited room to manoeuvre, he’s taking a risk that he won’t pick up an injury, but the other side of the coin is a huge signing on bonus in the summer. If they want to keep him, the club will need to stump up a massive signing on fee, a big increase in salary and a contract with a buy out clause where he can pick up another nice little earner from being sold in the future. |
I continue to be surprised how wimpy posters are on here. It's those terrible US owners who should have sold him 2 years ago.
Dealing is playing very well now and clubs desperately want him. They can have him now because if Coleman has any thing about him he will sign Low and tell Darling his days at Swansea are over. He is on good form and will not play another game until next August.
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 03:01 - Jan 7 with 354 views | STID2017 |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 23:16 - Jan 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I continue to be surprised how wimpy posters are on here. It's those terrible US owners who should have sold him 2 years ago.
Dealing is playing very well now and clubs desperately want him. They can have him now because if Coleman has any thing about him he will sign Low and tell Darling his days at Swansea are over. He is on good form and will not play another game until next August.
It is like a voluntary ACL |
So a player's contract runs down through nofault of his own, continues to play out of his skin and yet you would cut him adrift just to show him the errors of his ways?
In spite of the obvious danger that would pose to the team over the next 1/2 season ?
That is just baffling | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 06:12 - Jan 7 with 291 views | Whiterockin |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 03:01 - Jan 7 by STID2017 |
So a player's contract runs down through nofault of his own, continues to play out of his skin and yet you would cut him adrift just to show him the errors of his ways?
In spite of the obvious danger that would pose to the team over the next 1/2 season ?
That is just baffling |
It's not baffling at all. He never watches us play apart from highlights so can't really comment on performances and never does. He just lurks in the dark background of the internet posting about things he knows little about and making things up. |  | | |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 07:07 - Jan 7 with 267 views | onehunglow |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 21:29 - Jan 6 by KeithHaynes |
You want to see him in front of goal. |
He’s a perfect example of an arrogant,entitled yet lazy modern day professional footballer
He’s no winger . He’s not quick,he’s not physical even though a big ish lad ,he doesn’t like getting dirty nor stuck in and his demeanour ,to me,seems patronising to the crowd . From Whata I can see from the telly anyway.
He might be different in the flesh and he might be doing things us streamers can’t see .
Like Christie, a shocking waste of a shirt.
They strengthen nothing | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 08:25 - Jan 7 with 208 views | jackrmee |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 22:57 - Jan 6 by majorraglan |
Depending what site you look at it’s been £15k and £20k per week.
The way I see it is he should have been offered a deal a long time ago, not offering a deal can make someone feel undervalued and eventually it’ll become personal. I’m not saying that’s happened here, but if he thinks I’m not good enough to get my contract and then someone from the club does eventually knock his door then he just might say @@@@@@ off!
Darling holds all the cards and the club have very limited room to manoeuvre, he’s taking a risk that he won’t pick up an injury, but the other side of the coin is a huge signing on bonus in the summer. If they want to keep him, the club will need to stump up a massive signing on fee, a big increase in salary and a contract with a buy out clause where he can pick up another nice little earner from being sold in the future. |
Which is exactly what we should do.
To sign a replacement, we would need a signing on fee.
So simply pretend Darlkng is coming as a free and offfer him a nice signing on fee. Match whatever others do 👍 | |
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| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 08:28 - Jan 7 with 207 views | jackrmee |
| There is no economic logic in keeping Darling. on 03:01 - Jan 7 by STID2017 |
So a player's contract runs down through nofault of his own, continues to play out of his skin and yet you would cut him adrift just to show him the errors of his ways?
In spite of the obvious danger that would pose to the team over the next 1/2 season ?
That is just baffling |
Exactly! No fault of his own.
Give him more money, don’t punish him.
The club made the errors, they should get the punishment, not the player.
Whether that be having to pay more money to secure him, or whether that may be losing the player…
It’s our fault, not Darling’s | |
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