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Car buffs
at 20:08 10 Jan 2025

I was thinking about the low mileages some of us do now we are a bit older. Radnor says he does about 1500 miles p.a., while for me it is less than 4K. I was shocked to see that some commentators want to take our licenses off us.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/ownership/motorists-who-drive-fewer-than-2-000-mi
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Car buffs
at 19:08 10 Jan 2025

Modern cars with onboard computers and many accessories do seem to drain the battery if left unused. I've had a flat battery in the past when I've been away on holiday. Even over the Xmas to New Year period when I probably only made one short journey in a fortnight this caused my "battery draining while stationery" light to come on. The advice that I got from the BMW dealer a while ago was to use the car more. I ended up buying a solar charger (a panel that rests on the dashboard plus a control unit) and last time I went for a break away the battery was still okay on my return.
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Get the Blankets Out
at 15:21 10 Jan 2025

Should we be looking towards opening up more salt caverns?

https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/fast-cycle-gas-and-salt-caverns-uk-yester
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The revival of New Labour and clear red water
at 15:12 10 Jan 2025

More detail from Wes Streeting on use of the private sector fir NHS activity.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/streeting-defends-nhs-use-of-private-sect
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 14:28 10 Jan 2025

That was the original Oldham Council request. A national inquiry could take various forms, including a limited inquiry led either by the Home Office. or an independent overseer Many arguing for a national inquiry emphasise that it would not duplicate the ground already covered. Most arguing against a national inquiry say flatly that the issues are local ones and only additional local inquiries are appropriate. It is good to hear that you would be happy with a limited national inquiry. I had misunderstood and thought your argument was a different one.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 14:08 10 Jan 2025

My word was "focused", which has similar meaning to what Andy Burnham meant by "limited", and meaning that the local inquiries need to be brought together to get a national perspective and there must be accountability. Burnham said that "there is the case for a limited national inquiry that draws on reviews like the one that I commissioned, and the one we have seen in Rotherham, the one we have seen in Telford, to draw out some of these national issues and compel people to give evidence who then may have charges to answer and be held to account.”

If the position of Burnham and Harman does not contradict your position, then I assume you are right on board with the above and also what Harman said: "people need to be trained and confident in their roles that they can take on issues which are in particular communities and that does not mean they are racist. (...) 'In police, Crown Prosecution Service, but above all in councils where people can feel 'we know we're doing the right thing here. (...)_I think that whether it's a task force, whether it's more action plans, whether it's a a mini inquiry on this, this is something that we need to develop resilience in".
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 13:03 10 Jan 2025

But Burnham and Harman are putting forward arguments that directly contradict your's. They give reasons why a focused inquiry might have value. Are they closet racists too? You cannot dismiss those arguments by suggesting they are owned by Musk. Associating a reasonable argument with a person of extreme views is a transparent rhetorical device that won't wash.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 09:25 10 Jan 2025

This is moving into OTT territory What has Musk got in common with Andy Burnham or Harriet Harman? Logically Musk's internet ramblings do not undermine the argument about accountability and community relations that many sensible people are advancing. As I see things. the accusation of racism as the primary motivation for wanting another inquiry that you are hinting at, is another deflection from the true issues.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 03:19 10 Jan 2025

Some in Labour recognise that the proposed government path is not the answer. I mentioned Blue Labour earlier in the thread, and now Andy Burnham had expressed support for a limited review that would hold the culpable to account.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/andy-burnham-backs-limited-new-child-groom

Edit: Harriet Harman too.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/harriet-harman-calls-for-mini-inquiry-into
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Swansea 2025 budget
at 19:33 9 Jan 2025

The examples of high-spending mentioned in the thread on school transport and special needs residential care are pretty sobering. When national taxes and council taxes are combined the present level of taxation is very high, but the size of the population needing public assistance seems to be growing worryingly fast. The public expenditure situation at national level makes me wonder how long we can afford all the services we provide. Much of our spending comes from borrowed money. The last time the UK government had a budget surplus (i.e. took more in taxes and revenues then it spent) was 2000-01. With the present situation with bonds and a falling pound, it seems that the "headroom" that Rachel Reeves thought she had for investment has all but gone. There are questions about whether she will cancel her China trip in case the markets panic.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 19:03 9 Jan 2025

Re who voted for what, the most interesting aspect is who abstained. Something to do with political positioning of some in high positions?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-grooming-gang-vote-a
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Swansea 2025 budget
at 17:00 9 Jan 2025

At a time when council tax and various fees are rising and many departments are being asked to make efficiency savings, I found it interesting that the budget for homelessness will be increased. There appears to have been a 50% rise in homelessness presentations in the last 5 years. Here is some background.

https://democracy.swansea.gov.uk/documents/s104890/06A%20-%20Cabinet%20Member%20
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 16:17 9 Jan 2025

We shall have to agree to disagree. It is good to make people set out their arguments so that others can judge the strength of the claims. My preference is either a focused public inquiry or some form of action-oriented intervention with teeth (unlikely but more effective), and not the very limited measures and evasion of key issues that the government is trying to get away with.

I see that our Swansea West MP is all for the latter.
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Chagos Islands
at 14:08 9 Jan 2025

There is a tendency to talk about international law as if it is a coherent corpus of rules coming from an authoritative source about which all countries agree, Of course, that is not the case. It is a mish-mash of treaty obligations, rulings by various courts, and case law. Not all countries have signed up to particular treaties or recognise particular courts. The one that ruled in this case has no power to impose sanctions or enforce its judgements, which are advisory. Many will think the ruling that the islands belong to far away Mauritius is itself irrational, and takes no account of how Mauritius has treated exiled Chagossians or of the wishes of those Chagossians.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 12:57 9 Jan 2025

As I see things, the idea that the rape gangs are just a small part of a larger problem and no more deserving of attention than other domains covered by the 2022 Inquiry, is just a continuation of the narrative we’ve seen from “progressive” commentators right back to the time the problem first surfaced. Why might we think the gangs deserve special attention? I suggest the following:

These were at the extreme end of sexual offences, more extreme than in most other domains covered. The gang phenomenon involved rape (often gang rape), trafficking of minors for sex, pimping, some killings, torture, and supply of drugs to minors.

There was a racial and cultural dimension, involving a view of young white girls from disadvantaged backgrounds as morally-worthless persons who could be exploited and discarded. This took a more extreme form than in the other domains, and raised wider societal questions about the integration of a certain minority population into British society.

There was a cover-up in this domain that seems to have been orchestrated and coordinated in a way that spans multiple organisations and institutions, and the line taken at the front line may have been influenced by messages passed down from very high levels, allegedly including government ministers. There were cover-ups in other domains, but not with this extraordinary level of coordination.

No senior person in any of the institutions involved in the scandal has been brought to book. Looking at other domains covered by the 2022 inquiry there has been some if all too rare examples of accountability: an archbishop has been brought down; a leading newsreader who viewed internet porn was convicted; a few culpable schools like Maidwell Hall have closed.

Can the UK campaign effectively for a halt to child abuse abroad if it does not first get its own house in order? While this must obviously include action in areas like abuse of children in schools and residential care, and indeed in private family settings, the rape gangs are perhaps the most visible manifestation of problems in our own country.

There is widespread concern about the number of unpunished individuals still at liberty, plus inadequate penalties for those convicted, and failure to implement promised deportations. This is a more visible public scandal than in other areas covered in the 2022 Inquiry.

This is a hotter public issue than any of the other domains. Just google “child abuse UK” and see what comes up.
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All this Budget Speculation
at 16:25 8 Jan 2025

Indeed. Back in 2022 the emergency action was to get rid of Truss and Kwarteng and bring in Sunak and Hunt, which by October 25th resulted in the 30 year gilt yield falling to 3.68%

https://www.ft.com/content/a5758ce9-f8f3-4013-aa97-81ff3db3eaf2

I'm not sure what Starmer and Reeves can do in the present situation.
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Chagos Islands
at 16:12 8 Jan 2025

It has emerged that our hair-brained government is offering to pay Mauritius £99 million a year for 99 years to take the Chagos islands off our hands, and is even prepared to sweeten this deal with a big dollop up front in order to get the deal over the line before Trump's inauguration.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/eye-watering-cost-of-keir-starmer-s-disast
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 16:01 8 Jan 2025

I suppose the argument is that a new inquiry would:

Investigate one area ("grooming gangs") in detail rather than spread attention across the 15 investigations covered by the 2022 inquiry.
Draw the findings of the various local inquiries (in I think 5 towns) together, consider the much larger number of towns alleged to have been affected, and offer a national perspective on the problem.
Allow investigation of certain sensitive issues concerning "community relations" that were kept at the margins in the 2022 inquiry.
Look in more detail at the parts played by high-level police officers, social workers. schools, residential homes, the CPS, civil servants and politicians, including forcing them to provide evidence.
Consider whether the perpetrators have received appropriate sanctions.

I'm still undecided myself whether a focused public inquiry or an entirely new, more action- oriented intervention is needed. Listening to Starmer in Parliament today, I got the sense of a government that wants to draw a line under this through limited reforms, like mandatory reporting, which are all well and good but leave an awful lot of loose ends as well as culpable people unpunished.
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at 11:08 8 Jan 2025

I felt pleased for Newcastle last night, but I can't say my experience in that city has been quite so positive. Years ago when I worked in Dundee, I travelled down to see the 1981 FA Cup 5th round tie against Exeter City, a team I followed for a while when I lived in Devon. The City fans were squeezed into a small corner near the Gallowgate end. Right from the start they were showered with coins (just copper I'm afraid) - one hitting me on the head. The Geordies eased off a bit when Alan Shoulder put them ahead in the 2nd half, but went ballistic when Exeter equalised in the 87th minute. The City fans had to be kept in the ground for 20 minutes or so and were then marched under police escort to a suburban station where the special train was waiting, all the time being followed by a Geordie mob shouting about how they were going to walk the replay. I was told to stay in line by Old Bill when I tried to leave to go to the mainline station for return to Scotland, but managed to slink away once the crowd thinned. I'm afraid that experience has rather diminished my love for Newcastle fans. I couldn't go to the replay, but was delighted when Exeter won 4-0.
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Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 10:18 8 Jan 2025

I tried to find the table Gwyn posted from the Ministry of Justice website and haven't yet succeeded because the information seems quite hard to locate from the various documents available. No doubt it is there somewhere. The latest 2024 stats relate to what was happening in 2022. However, as the stats may relate to different stages such as recorded offences, arrests, cases that proceed, convictions and sentencing, figures from just one stage could be misleading. It would be helpful to have more accessible stats.

I did find these pages:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/criminal-justice-statistics-quarterly

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65b22b781702b1000dcb126d/Statisti
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