| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:09 - Jan 9 with 1558 views | BristolR |
JINX!!!
If the curse is real (TM Bluce) then this will be all the proof we need… |  | |  |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:15 - Jan 9 with 1507 views | Northernr |
I notice Dunne didn't make the divisional team of the month for December. One can only assume there's some fcking robot rampaging about at right back for some idiot scum like Preston programmed to score three goals a game and hold opposition strikers up by the throat. |  | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:19 - Jan 9 with 1477 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:15 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
I notice Dunne didn't make the divisional team of the month for December. One can only assume there's some fcking robot rampaging about at right back for some idiot scum like Preston programmed to score three goals a game and hold opposition strikers up by the throat. |
Presumably, algorithim-based.
Sofascore's analysis of the Luton game concluded that Morgan was our worst player.
I mean, I love stats. But they're compiled by humans.
https://www.sofascore.com/football/match/luton-town-queens-park-rangers/bsxb#id: |  |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:23 - Jan 9 with 1427 views | BrizR |
Morgan doesn't seem to have been credited with an assist for the Frey goal anywhere, which probably drops his score quite a bit. Is that because it glances off the defender first? There wasn't much contact. |  | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:24 - Jan 9 with 1422 views | Northernr |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:23 - Jan 9 by BrizR |
Morgan doesn't seem to have been credited with an assist for the Frey goal anywhere, which probably drops his score quite a bit. Is that because it glances off the defender first? There wasn't much contact. |
Such bullsht isn't it? We gave him it. | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:25 - Jan 9 with 1411 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:23 - Jan 9 by BrizR |
Morgan doesn't seem to have been credited with an assist for the Frey goal anywhere, which probably drops his score quite a bit. Is that because it glances off the defender first? There wasn't much contact. |
That's odd. He had possession, he gave it to another player, who scored. It's practically the definition of an assist. | |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:26 - Jan 9 with 1405 views | Northernr |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:25 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's odd. He had possession, he gave it to another player, who scored. It's practically the definition of an assist. |
And Chair gets one for mishitting a shot off Fox's foot. | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:28 - Jan 9 with 1386 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:24 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
Such bullsht isn't it? We gave him it. |
I saw that. Dead right, too. | |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:29 - Jan 9 with 1362 views | gazza1 |
That is why most 'stats' are a load of old crap...... | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:30 - Jan 9 with 1356 views | BrizR |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:25 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's odd. He had possession, he gave it to another player, who scored. It's practically the definition of an assist. |
Yeah, I was very surprised. If you're being very picky I guess you can say either that the ball comes off the defender or there's the question mark over Frey handling it first but it's not like it's gone cannoning off somewhere from a deflection, Morgan places the ball exactly where Frey is and the Luton player never has control of it at any point. As you say, it's a straightforward assist. | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:31 - Jan 9 with 1354 views | dsw2509 |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:29 - Jan 9 by gazza1 |
That is why most 'stats' are a load of old crap...... |
Yes, remember Disraeli’s aphorism; there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:48 - Jan 9 with 1282 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:29 - Jan 9 by gazza1 |
That is why most 'stats' are a load of old crap...... |
I use them a lot. I love them.
But they're only as good as the input, same as opinion polls are only as good as the questions.
Worse, putting stats into an algorithim to calculate a match score for a player can be dangerous.
I want to know how many passes Gazza landed correctly, and the stats tell me 63. Job done. But if the stats tell me that he lost possession five times and they don't tell me whether all five were in front of our own goal or whether all five were excellent crosses that were very well defended, then that's my fault because I didn't ask the stats to tell me that. So the algorithim takes a bashing, and Gazza gets a totally unjust 6.4.
In the Luton game, the stats say that Morgan landed 31 passes and misplaced 10. That doesn't look great and it bashes the hell out of the fancy algorithim, but it doesn't tell us how many of those passes were good forward passes that were just well defended. A good analyst goes back over the video time and time again and chats to management, and then chats to Morgan and most likely tells him to ignore the stats in this case and to keep playing positive forward passes, and maybe remind him that Ray Wilkins was a superb passer and he never hit 100% either.
Defensively: I doubt Paolo Maldini's match ratings would have been accurate either. When he played, so often the oppo midfielder looked up and saw Maldini covering his man expertly and decided not to pass there. Job done by Maldini yet again, but the fancy algorithim takes another bashing, because we didn't ask the stats to record great marking. | |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 10:09 - Jan 9 with 1198 views | rocknroland |
Statistically, cows are more dangerous than sharks. |  | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 10:39 - Jan 9 with 1118 views | nix |
I agree Brian. I love stats too but yes they can confuse as much as enlighten. At the end of the Luton match my sister asked me who I thought was MOM. I instinctively said Morgan and was amazed at his stats. You're right they don't give context like 100% pass accuracy if you only complete safe sideways passes in your own half is not worth as much as 80% that gets you up the pitch into strong attacking positions. |  | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 14:08 - Jan 9 with 865 views | Hugey |
Interesting thread!
At first I found Morgan's MotM highlights package from the Luton game a little underwhelming (having also said he was by far and away MotM after the game).
But I guess that's the point. He makes everything look simple. [Post edited 9 Jan 14:10]
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 14:35 - Jan 9 with 754 views | LongsufferingR |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:29 - Jan 9 by gazza1 |
That is why most 'stats' are a load of old crap...... |
Not true. 66% are fine, it's the other 42% that are crap. |  | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 14:49 - Jan 9 with 710 views | numptydumpty |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 09:29 - Jan 9 by gazza1 |
That is why most 'stats' are a load of old crap...... |
I was very surprised by the stats after the Luton game which suggested it was a very decent, but very even game.
I had QPR ahead in most areas and a four to one win, would not have been surprising. |  |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 15:51 - Jan 9 with 579 views | kensalriser |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 10:09 - Jan 9 by rocknroland |
Statistically, cows are more dangerous than sharks. |
Cows are terrifying, which everyone who's been in a field when a number of them start sizing you up and moving, can attest. |  |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 16:22 - Jan 9 with 518 views | fraserc |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 10:09 - Jan 9 by rocknroland |
Statistically, cows are more dangerous than sharks. |
Cows kill 20 people a year in the US alone. Sharks are nowhere near that lethal, although they are a bit more 'bitey' | | | |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 23:06 - Jan 9 with 215 views | stainrods_elbow |
I hate stats, and I prefer cats to humans. |  |
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| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 02:02 - Jan 10 with 105 views | VancouverHoop |
| Cifuentes and Dunne Nominated For Monthly Awards on 16:22 - Jan 9 by fraserc |
Cows kill 20 people a year in the US alone. Sharks are nowhere near that lethal, although they are a bit more 'bitey' |
Also human interactions with cows are likely to be more numerous than their interactions with sharks. (Though I don't have the stats to prove it!) | | | |
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