| Injuries 18:58 - Dec 26 with 5298 views | numptydumpty |
WTF is happening
So many players seemingly picking up injuries between matches
What happened with Morrison ??
But seriously this season is a total catastrophe with injuries.
Almost guaranteed each game at least one and almost guaranteed , another goes strangely invisible, during a break between games.
There must be reasons but this for me is the worst ever season I can remember for injuries !!!!!!!
I am surprised if we dont pick up a couple more injured, every single week ... [Post edited 26 Dec 18:59]
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| Injuries on 22:35 - Dec 26 with 1698 views | Lblock |
If Colback can be moved on somewhere in a couple of weeks and be replaced by Hayden in a cost neutral move then I’m all for that
Hayden will be weeks away from fitness but no different to Jack the Card
Let’s have it right though.
If anyone can argue against the correlation of non contact injuries and our Head of that particular Department being able to “phone it I “ then, come on, let’s hear it.
That scenario is an absolute farce |  |
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| Injuries on 23:08 - Dec 26 with 1584 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 19:43 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
There's some very serious questions to answer about this.
They were more than happy to talk about it, trumpet the work of Ben Williams, put him up at forums and for interview last season. Loved saying we had the best availability in the Championship and either imply or outright say it was because of the overhaul the sport science, diet, "performance department" had been given. So they should be up for scrutiny now about what's changed and how we've gone from best in the division to worst.
A month or so back they were very keen to point out they were all contact injuries. I.e. bad luck. Not a lot you can do if somebody cracks through the back of your player's knee. Well, since then, Celar has blown a hamstring, JCS a calf, Morrison another muscle injury, Cook an injury that is absolutely prime overuse/over training. You take these sports medic people at their word and they all say if you're picking up loads of muscle, fatigue injuries - pulls, strains, tears - you're doing something wrong.
Morrison and Cook out for a length of time, at the same time, is nightmare scenario, as we saw today. |
The frustration around injuries is understandable, particularly since we seemed to do so well last season.
But this is not just a QPR problem.
A study published last year by Leeds Beckett University showed that there tends to be a spike in injuries around August and the Christmas period, and that hamstring injuries are on the increase in the EFL:
https://eprints.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/id/eprint/10573/7/InjuryTrendsInMensEnglishPr
TL;DR
"CONCLUSIONS
Match and training incidence remained stable across all
seasons as well as muscle and ligament injury incidence.
While there were significant increases in hamstring injury
incidence and hamstring match injury incidence. This highlights the need for football performance practitioners to
review current practices around hamstring prevention and
adapt them in line with current literature to reduce prevalence and incidence over subsequent seasons.
Re-injuries were found to cause a higher burden than the
initial injury, indicating the important of practitioners return to play and rehabilitation strategies within these environments to promote a reduction in re-injury rates.
This inter-seasonal information helps to address the gap
of longitudinal epidemiological research identified within
the EFL, often underrepresented in injury audit reviews.
Future longitudinal epidemiological research is needed in
differing cohorts to better enable practitioners to identify
trends and manage injury risk reduction more effectively." |  | | |
| Injuries on 23:15 - Dec 26 with 1565 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 20:55 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
Well I don't disagree that we've got a lot of needs this window, because the summer recruitment was sub-optimal.
But I like Hayden for a few reasons.
1 - Our midfield still too prone to getting absolutely walked through, as it did today. Varane has improved, but I'm not as enamoured as others. Hayden's a better player than him and Field, IMO.
2 - Colback makes a big difference, but can't be relied upon clearly. Hayden does that role.
3 - Morgan has done very, very well. But he looks like, and is built like, a child. He's only 18. It's unfair to rely on him in this situation and expect him to do 20+ games through the back half of the season. Firstly you'll get too many weeks like this, where he's brilliant against Preston then awful the next game. Secondly you'll burn him out and risk hurting him physically. We're not managing our squad's health at all well this year. Thinking an 18 year old is gonna do you 20 games in the next four months would be that in spades.
4 - Would free Field up as a centre back option where he's played well this season and, more importantly still. ISN'T MORGAN FOX.
5 - Leadership, experience. Hayden was great last year. Spoke well, led the dressing room, set standards. If Cook's out for any length of time we saw what that looked like today.
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I like Hayden and would have been happy to see him come back in the summer. But he does have quite some form of his own when it comes to injuries:
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/isaac-hayden/215545/
In his interview with Hoopsa he mentioned he was playing with a dislocated shoulder through the end of last season.
Would he show the same dedication if he had a new contract from us in his back pocket?
Maybe he would. Who knows for sure. But we've been stung a few times in recent years when ageing players here on loan who would run through a brick wall when they were trying to earn a new contract became a bit more protective of their bodies once the ink had dried on a new deal.
Not pointing the finger or blaming anyone. It's just human nature. | | | |
| Injuries on 23:50 - Dec 26 with 1475 views | The_Beast1976 |
Agree with much of what has been said on here.
To me, all roads lead back to Nourry. He's incompetent/not fit to do the job he's employed to do. We are above the safety line in spite of Nourry, not because of him.
Some of the comments regarding MC (particularly from Stainrod's elbow, who I've put on ignore due to his constant stream of absolute drivel regarding MC) make me laugh. MC is a great manager. Thankfully, most fans know this. [Post edited 26 Dec 23:51]
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| Injuries on 01:47 - Dec 27 with 1331 views | stainrods_elbow |
If I write 'drivel', you come across as a pre-programmed, insecure idiot who doesn't read what I actually write and resorts to a childish button to childishly block me anyway, as you can't deal with difference of opinion and properly supported counter-argument.
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| Injuries on 08:28 - Dec 27 with 1174 views | stevec |
I do believe all Divisions should be of no more than 20 teams.
That could easily be done be incorporating the top 8 teams from the National League and have 5 leagues of 20.
We have this ludicrous situation of international breaks that see too many games crushed into the first six weeks and the middle three months of winter which decimates squads and results in the sub standard football we often witness.
By definition that should result in more time on the training ground preferably overseen by fitness experts. Didn’t we have a retired Olympic runner overseeing our squad in the 70’s heydays?
The loss of 3 home games income could easily be accommodated if the Premier League were forced into compensating the situation for the good of the game, something that still hasn’t been resolved. |  | | |
| Injuries on 10:05 - Dec 27 with 1026 views | JamesB1979 |
| Injuries on 01:47 - Dec 27 by stainrods_elbow |
If I write 'drivel', you come across as a pre-programmed, insecure idiot who doesn't read what I actually write and resorts to a childish button to childishly block me anyway, as you can't deal with difference of opinion and properly supported counter-argument.
Give me strength! |
I think you raise some good points to be honest and agree it is childish to just ignore someone because you don’t agree with them.
That said, I don’t agree with you about Marti. Performances have fluctuated significantly but then I think that’s more down to having 1) injuries to key players and 2) having to play players constantly without a break when I don’t think that was the plan for eg Morgan, Varane, Saito, Morrison, Kolli. They will be inconsistent as they’re young and/or new to the league. We need Colback, JCS, Chair and Frey to come back in and step up now. They’ve barely played this season and need to shoulder some of the weight during this period. We also need Madsen to show something to make us think he was worth paying some money for. | | | |
| Injuries on 10:47 - Dec 27 with 952 views | TheChef |
| Injuries on 01:47 - Dec 27 by stainrods_elbow |
If I write 'drivel', you come across as a pre-programmed, insecure idiot who doesn't read what I actually write and resorts to a childish button to childishly block me anyway, as you can't deal with difference of opinion and properly supported counter-argument.
Give me strength! |
Don't worry dearie I still love to read your stuff just cos I need a laugh 
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| Injuries on 10:49 - Dec 27 with 943 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 23:08 - Dec 26 by KensalT |
The frustration around injuries is understandable, particularly since we seemed to do so well last season.
But this is not just a QPR problem.
A study published last year by Leeds Beckett University showed that there tends to be a spike in injuries around August and the Christmas period, and that hamstring injuries are on the increase in the EFL:
https://eprints.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/id/eprint/10573/7/InjuryTrendsInMensEnglishPr
TL;DR
"CONCLUSIONS
Match and training incidence remained stable across all
seasons as well as muscle and ligament injury incidence.
While there were significant increases in hamstring injury
incidence and hamstring match injury incidence. This highlights the need for football performance practitioners to
review current practices around hamstring prevention and
adapt them in line with current literature to reduce prevalence and incidence over subsequent seasons.
Re-injuries were found to cause a higher burden than the
initial injury, indicating the important of practitioners return to play and rehabilitation strategies within these environments to promote a reduction in re-injury rates.
This inter-seasonal information helps to address the gap
of longitudinal epidemiological research identified within
the EFL, often underrepresented in injury audit reviews.
Future longitudinal epidemiological research is needed in
differing cohorts to better enable practitioners to identify
trends and manage injury risk reduction more effectively." |
None of that explains how we’ve gone from best in division to worst, unless it is pure dumb luck. |  | | |
| Injuries on 10:58 - Dec 27 with 916 views | JamesB1979 |
| Injuries on 10:49 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
None of that explains how we’ve gone from best in division to worst, unless it is pure dumb luck. |
I’d say it’s a bit of both. Chair injury is bad luck, as is first Morrison injury which required surgery. These 2 have had a knock on impact for the others. With Morrison it meant that Cook basically played with no break and I’d say that contributed to his recent injury. Chair injury and then Dembele has meant a that Saito and Smyth are basically playing every game. Then you add the 2 injury prone JCS and Colback, leads to a lot of strain on a youngish and new squad. But that said, I’d say serious questions need to be asked about how we deal with squad fitness. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:21 - Dec 27 with 880 views | gazza1 |
We talk about Hayden......we have Field & Varone who can play his role. Lets not waste money on another DCM. We need forward thinking players who can pass and play forward effectively and a CF. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:22 - Dec 27 with 880 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 11:21 - Dec 27 by gazza1 |
We talk about Hayden......we have Field & Varone who can play his role. Lets not waste money on another DCM. We need forward thinking players who can pass and play forward effectively and a CF. |
Not mutually exclusive Gaz, we need A LOT. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:27 - Dec 27 with 850 views | gazza1 |
| Injuries on 11:22 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Not mutually exclusive Gaz, we need A LOT. |
Bit heavy that one Norf....you know me well, it needs to be simple!!!! | | | |
| Injuries on 11:33 - Dec 27 with 831 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 11:27 - Dec 27 by gazza1 |
Bit heavy that one Norf....you know me well, it needs to be simple!!!! |
Both things can be true.
We can need somebody like Hayden to cover and help Morgan, to provide experience and leadership, to free Field up to possibly cover our sudden centre back problems.
And we can also need, as you say, better strikers and forward players to get us up the pitch, in possession. Which I do agree with.
Like I say, we need a lot, because our summer recruitment was ropey. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:38 - Dec 27 with 805 views | gazza1 |
| Injuries on 11:33 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Both things can be true.
We can need somebody like Hayden to cover and help Morgan, to provide experience and leadership, to free Field up to possibly cover our sudden centre back problems.
And we can also need, as you say, better strikers and forward players to get us up the pitch, in possession. Which I do agree with.
Like I say, we need a lot, because our summer recruitment was ropey. |
Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Hayden but I think we could spend our money more wisely and better......its a tough call. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:41 - Dec 27 with 785 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 11:38 - Dec 27 by gazza1 |
Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Hayden but I think we could spend our money more wisely and better......its a tough call. |
Well, we certainly agree we need additions, and I'm usually the one arguing against "more blood". | | | |
| Injuries on 11:49 - Dec 27 with 722 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Injuries on 10:49 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
None of that explains how we’ve gone from best in division to worst, unless it is pure dumb luck. |
I don't believe in luck. Players have/are being either rushed back or are playing without much needed breaks.
There is no way Chair, Frey, JCS should be expected to do 90 minutes versus Norwich.
Varane, Field and Morgan the same without the risk of them breaking down.
Paal is ill.
Still, someone has tried to be clever with recruitment and now it is biting back. And having our head of medical zooming in from Dubai. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:55 - Dec 27 with 708 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 11:49 - Dec 27 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I don't believe in luck. Players have/are being either rushed back or are playing without much needed breaks.
There is no way Chair, Frey, JCS should be expected to do 90 minutes versus Norwich.
Varane, Field and Morgan the same without the risk of them breaking down.
Paal is ill.
Still, someone has tried to be clever with recruitment and now it is biting back. And having our head of medical zooming in from Dubai. |
I agree. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:56 - Dec 27 with 705 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 23:15 - Dec 26 by KensalT |
I like Hayden and would have been happy to see him come back in the summer. But he does have quite some form of his own when it comes to injuries:
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/isaac-hayden/215545/
In his interview with Hoopsa he mentioned he was playing with a dislocated shoulder through the end of last season.
Would he show the same dedication if he had a new contract from us in his back pocket?
Maybe he would. Who knows for sure. But we've been stung a few times in recent years when ageing players here on loan who would run through a brick wall when they were trying to earn a new contract became a bit more protective of their bodies once the ink had dried on a new deal.
Not pointing the finger or blaming anyone. It's just human nature. |
Very fair point. | | | |
| Injuries on 12:50 - Dec 27 with 585 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 10:49 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
None of that explains how we’ve gone from best in division to worst, unless it is pure dumb luck. |
I wasn't trying to explain why QPR are having a problem this season.
My point was that that soft tissue injuries are an increasing problem in the EFL, despite what Roberto Martinez said back in 2012:
https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/blood-red-no-sick-n
The evidence would suggest that RM was wrong.
There could be many reasons for that:
- There's no winter break over here
- A 46 game season is way more games than anyone else plays
- Maybe Gaz's players were better prepared in summer 2023 than Marti's were this summer
- Maybe EFL players have the wrong lifestyle (copyright R. Martinez)
- Maybe it's because we play more three-game weeks
- Maybe we should stop taking risks on players with dodgy injury records
- Maybe the sun is in Taurus and the moon in Uranus
- Maybe there's a gypsy curse (copyright C. Whittingham)
Or maybe there's a dozen more factors I can't be bothered to think of. Dumb luck could certainly be one of them.
I had forgotten that Roberto Martinez is a qualified physio. So maybe he knows what he is talking about. But the data from the EFL would suggest he was wrong. Soft tissue injuries are a growing problem in the game. It can't all be down to lifestyle. | | | |
| Injuries on 12:57 - Dec 27 with 564 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 08:28 - Dec 27 by stevec |
I do believe all Divisions should be of no more than 20 teams.
That could easily be done be incorporating the top 8 teams from the National League and have 5 leagues of 20.
We have this ludicrous situation of international breaks that see too many games crushed into the first six weeks and the middle three months of winter which decimates squads and results in the sub standard football we often witness.
By definition that should result in more time on the training ground preferably overseen by fitness experts. Didn’t we have a retired Olympic runner overseeing our squad in the 70’s heydays?
The loss of 3 home games income could easily be accommodated if the Premier League were forced into compensating the situation for the good of the game, something that still hasn’t been resolved. |
I agree with that in principle. But your last paragraph explains why it will never happen.
Also you would need to restructure the whole league. Would you have four divisions with 80 professional clubs or five divisions with 100 professional clubs.
And how would you decide who gets bumped down the ladder?
Four teams would have to drop from the Championship to L1.
Eight teams would have to drop from L1 to L2.
Twelve teams would have to drop out of L2. etc! | | | |
| Injuries on 13:51 - Dec 27 with 486 views | connell10 |
| Injuries on 01:47 - Dec 27 by stainrods_elbow |
If I write 'drivel', you come across as a pre-programmed, insecure idiot who doesn't read what I actually write and resorts to a childish button to childishly block me anyway, as you can't deal with difference of opinion and properly supported counter-argument.
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| Injuries on 14:19 - Dec 27 with 407 views | stevec |
| Injuries on 12:57 - Dec 27 by KensalT |
I agree with that in principle. But your last paragraph explains why it will never happen.
Also you would need to restructure the whole league. Would you have four divisions with 80 professional clubs or five divisions with 100 professional clubs.
And how would you decide who gets bumped down the ladder?
Four teams would have to drop from the Championship to L1.
Eight teams would have to drop from L1 to L2.
Twelve teams would have to drop out of L2. etc! |
Instead of 92 clubs, 100 clubs, do 5 divisions of 20.
You’d do it over a 2 year period. 2 up 4 down for Champs and league one would sort those 2 leagues, league two 2 up/2 down and at end of second season, the bottom half of league 2 and top 8 in national become a 5th division. There’s not a lot to choose between the bottom half of league two and national league so not an undue proposition.
In terms of the Prem stumping up lost income for the 3 home matches lost, after deducting costs of staging games it wouldn’t amount to more than £1m per club over the 3 lost games at Championship level, less than half that down the scale. As such, about £50m total at max, or £2.5m per premier league club. They’re already looking at something in that region over the present arrangement so whilst theyre dragging their heels, at some point something will be done.
This three games a week malarkey is not doing the lower leagues any favours, be it quality or content, they just can’t carry the squad numbers needed to cover injuries. | | | |
| Injuries on 14:23 - Dec 27 with 396 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 14:19 - Dec 27 by stevec |
Instead of 92 clubs, 100 clubs, do 5 divisions of 20.
You’d do it over a 2 year period. 2 up 4 down for Champs and league one would sort those 2 leagues, league two 2 up/2 down and at end of second season, the bottom half of league 2 and top 8 in national become a 5th division. There’s not a lot to choose between the bottom half of league two and national league so not an undue proposition.
In terms of the Prem stumping up lost income for the 3 home matches lost, after deducting costs of staging games it wouldn’t amount to more than £1m per club over the 3 lost games at Championship level, less than half that down the scale. As such, about £50m total at max, or £2.5m per premier league club. They’re already looking at something in that region over the present arrangement so whilst theyre dragging their heels, at some point something will be done.
This three games a week malarkey is not doing the lower leagues any favours, be it quality or content, they just can’t carry the squad numbers needed to cover injuries. |
Totally with you Steve. Strong agree.
It was actually suggested while Shaun Harvey was league CEO. It was the only sensible thing he ever did or said IMO. Four divisions of 20, League Two regional north and south. Far, far fewer midweek games.
They rejected it out of hand, immediately, of course.
Once we've got this Christmas out of the way, where we're slogging down to Swansea yesterday and up to Norwich tomorrow (Watford, BTW, who we play on NYD, have home game, home game, game 10 miles away) we've then got a couple of homes before we go up to Leicester, down to Plymouth and up to Hull in 10 days. Second season in a row we've had Plymouth and Hull away Saturday-Tuesday. | | | |
| Injuries on 14:31 - Dec 27 with 342 views | slmrstid |
I'll preface this by saying I am a huge Marti fan, but if we're losing players to regular overuse/overtraining injuries then the Head Coach has to take some level of responsibility for that too - after all they are the ones taking training between games and no doubt still working players hard and still have input into the way players physically prepare for games - can't pin it all on the medical people and say "not my fault mate, its that bloke in Dubai not being here."
It obviously isn't the same level, but as a runner in a year I can have spells where I have races on back to back weekends or something like 3 races in 4 weeks - on those occasions you alter your planned training between races to allow the body time to recover after one race to get ready for the next - not carry on business as usual because you will pay the price and pick up injuries.
As said - huge Marti fan - but he has as much input into players physical preparation as Head Coach as anyone does. |  | | |
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