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Russia invade Ukraine on 21:23 - Jul 16 by deanscfc
No country in the world is 100% perfect with totally perfect individuals but I have absolute sympathy with the Ukrainian people who were brought violence when Russia invaded in 2014. I know directly from Ukrainians living in those parts what Russia did and how it conflicts with the vile BS put online by 'Independent Journalists' and spread by 'people' like you who also disgracefully even try to deny the most documented of war crimes. The 'for 8 years Ukraine did this' are the lazy (and usually sinister) words of those who spent their time eating up Kremlin propaganda. They neglect to mention that Russia invaded and used 'separatists' to try and destabilise Ukraine (in the same way that Russia does dirty work in many other parts), and they usually refer to numbers like 14,000 killed while also neglecting to mention that the vast majority of those deaths over 8 years, since Russia invaded, were military deaths on both sides, and that civilian deaths as a result of the fighting were actually very low in the years proceeding Russia's full invasion in 2022 which has undoubtedly caused mass killing and suffering. Whatever way you people try to lie and spin it, Russia's actions are absolutely indefensible. Mass murderers, pure and simple.
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You simply do not know what's happening there, but you will in time if you are prepared to seek it out. I'll leave it at that
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Russia invade Ukraine on 21:41 - Jul 16 with 1622 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 21:41 - Jul 16 by deanscfc
Pathetic.
Oh come on Dean, he's baiting you. Obviously by speaking to real Ukrainians and not just lapping up pro Russian propaganda, you know better than him. he is just a WUM, he doesn't believe most of what he posts and isn't worth bothering with.
Take what he posts with several large pinches of salt. Better still, put on ignore.
Russia invade Ukraine on 22:03 - Jul 16 by Catullus
Oh come on Dean, he's baiting you. Obviously by speaking to real Ukrainians and not just lapping up pro Russian propaganda, you know better than him. he is just a WUM, he doesn't believe most of what he posts and isn't worth bothering with.
Take what he posts with several large pinches of salt. Better still, put on ignore.
The thing is I genuinely think he does believe what he posts, unless he's some sort of crap parody.
I honestly think he's just stupid. So stupid he doesn't realise how stupid he looks.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 23:34 - Jul 16 with 1581 views
"According to Neil Gibson, a weapons expert at the UK-based Fenix Insight group, who has reviewed the photos of the fléchettes found in Bucha, the metal darts came from a 122mm 3Sh1 artillery round, in use by Russian artillery."
"Major Volodymyr Fito, a spokesperson for Ukrainian land forces command, said its military does not use shells with flechettes."
& What "Bucha resident Svitlana Chmut" actually noted was...
"She combed her walled courtyard for them, she said, after a Russian artillery shell carrying them burst somewhere overhead days before the Russians withdrew late last month.
Russia invade Ukraine on 19:52 - Jul 16 by deanscfc
"but thank god the Russians hit back".
You sick f*ck.
I’d rather be a “Muscovite” than a supporter of Nazi ideology hell bent on ethnically cleansing not just ethnic Russians but even just people (Ukrainians) who commit the crime of speaking the Russian language out of Ukraine. This has been going on a long time - as this Russian (so you won’t believe it anyway but I’ve got to try to show you your misconception) programme will tell you.
They commemorate the memories of Bandera and his henchmen who murdered 800 thousand Jews in total ( thousands of those in Lviv) in the Second World War working for the SS. Not to mention Poles who so rightly got offended by the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany with his admission of Bandera being a national hero of the Ukraine.
You support these people - you’re the sick puppy not me.
The west has been misled into giving the most corrupt country on this earth billions of dollars in lethal aid and a lot of the weapons are finding their way to other countries bought by the PKK/Albania/Kosovo off the Ukrainians. Their upper echelons of society flee the country with suitcases full of embezzled cash while their ordinary citizens are left to fight for NATO in this disgusting example of proxy warfare.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:09 - Jul 17 with 1508 views
"According to Neil Gibson, a weapons expert at the UK-based Fenix Insight group, who has reviewed the photos of the fléchettes found in Bucha, the metal darts came from a 122mm 3Sh1 artillery round, in use by Russian artillery."
"Major Volodymyr Fito, a spokesperson for Ukrainian land forces command, said its military does not use shells with flechettes."
& What "Bucha resident Svitlana Chmut" actually noted was...
"She combed her walled courtyard for them, she said, after a Russian artillery shell carrying them burst somewhere overhead days before the Russians withdrew late last month.
The same fléchettes were used by the AFU in 2014 in the LPR:. So, quite clearly the Ukrainian military are lying.
According to Neil Gibson, a weapons expert at the UK-based Fenix Insight group, who has reviewed the photos of the fléchettes found in Bucha, the metal darts came from a 122mm ZSh1 artillery round. It fits the D-30 howitzers, which is in service with both Russia and Ukraine.
Makes me wonder why the Russians would shell their own retreating troops. Doesn't add up does it? More likely the Ukraninas were doing that to claim a victory as they have done elsewhere
The same fléchettes were used by the AFU in 2014 in the LPR:. So, quite clearly the Ukrainian military are lying.
According to Neil Gibson, a weapons expert at the UK-based Fenix Insight group, who has reviewed the photos of the fléchettes found in Bucha, the metal darts came from a 122mm ZSh1 artillery round. It fits the D-30 howitzers, which is in service with both Russia and Ukraine.
Makes me wonder why the Russians would shell their own retreating troops. Doesn't add up does it? More likely the Ukraninas were doing that to claim a victory as they have done elsewhere
Incidentally, the yanks used them in Vietnam
The Ukrainians, lying? Can’t be right. Non Nazis who have torchlight parades around Kiev, the allegations of child rape made against Russian soldiers.
They lie their collective arses off just to get NATO boots on their territory .
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:41 - Jul 17 with 1494 views
I feel sorry for the ppl that get caught up in this - the majority haven't, but their military and institutions are infested with NAZIs. Zelensky, needs to get off his high horse and negotiate a settlement. The only other outcome will be the complete destruction of their military
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Russia invade Ukraine on 14:49 - Jul 17 with 1439 views
I feel sorry for the ppl that get caught up in this - the majority haven't, but their military and institutions are infested with NAZIs. Zelensky, needs to get off his high horse and negotiate a settlement. The only other outcome will be the complete destruction of their military
Some of his commanders are actively looking to remove him - the worry is who will take over? Someone from the far right and that would be even worse.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 14:54 - Jul 17 with 1431 views
The same fléchettes were used by the AFU in 2014 in the LPR:. So, quite clearly the Ukrainian military are lying.
According to Neil Gibson, a weapons expert at the UK-based Fenix Insight group, who has reviewed the photos of the fléchettes found in Bucha, the metal darts came from a 122mm ZSh1 artillery round. It fits the D-30 howitzers, which is in service with both Russia and Ukraine.
Makes me wonder why the Russians would shell their own retreating troops. Doesn't add up does it? More likely the Ukraninas were doing that to claim a victory as they have done elsewhere
Incidentally, the yanks used them in Vietnam
The Russsians have ZERO concerns for their own troops as they see them as canon fodder. In this conflict alone they've wiped out a battalion of LPR troops that were returning from the front. They've sent thousands of forcibly conscripted LPR and DPR civilians against well defended UKR positions and these guys were given WWII bolt action rifles to attack the UKR frontline. They've overly recruited ethnics from Buryat and Dagestan to throw at the Ukrainians.
They've repeatedly fired upon the renegade Donbass to make it look like the Ukraine has atacked except that when it was missiles they were coming from the wrong direction to be Ukrainian fire and at the point of the conflict where the Ukraine did not have the ranged artillery to reach certain cities they were somehow miraculously shelled by the Ukranians. In Syria they sent 300 Wagner mercs against a US base and they were annihilated.
Russian does not care for its troops which is why they fired upon them, why they sent them to war with rations that were & years out of date, why their equipment is ancient, why the BTG's did not go in in full formation with the appropriate air defence and EW/ECM warfare units, why they keep sending troops to Chorobakia (sp?) airfield to wiped out by artillery for over TWENTY DIFFERENT ocassions.
Russia does not care!
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Russia invade Ukraine on 15:16 - Jul 17 with 1425 views
The Russsians have ZERO concerns for their own troops as they see them as canon fodder. In this conflict alone they've wiped out a battalion of LPR troops that were returning from the front. They've sent thousands of forcibly conscripted LPR and DPR civilians against well defended UKR positions and these guys were given WWII bolt action rifles to attack the UKR frontline. They've overly recruited ethnics from Buryat and Dagestan to throw at the Ukrainians.
They've repeatedly fired upon the renegade Donbass to make it look like the Ukraine has atacked except that when it was missiles they were coming from the wrong direction to be Ukrainian fire and at the point of the conflict where the Ukraine did not have the ranged artillery to reach certain cities they were somehow miraculously shelled by the Ukranians. In Syria they sent 300 Wagner mercs against a US base and they were annihilated.
Russian does not care for its troops which is why they fired upon them, why they sent them to war with rations that were & years out of date, why their equipment is ancient, why the BTG's did not go in in full formation with the appropriate air defence and EW/ECM warfare units, why they keep sending troops to Chorobakia (sp?) airfield to wiped out by artillery for over TWENTY DIFFERENT ocassions.
The DPR forces occupy that airport - according to this Ukrainian source (so you got that arse backwards). If the DPR troops are trying to hold an airport with strategic importance of course they are going to be attacked.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 15:56 - Jul 17 with 1406 views
The Russsians have ZERO concerns for their own troops as they see them as canon fodder. In this conflict alone they've wiped out a battalion of LPR troops that were returning from the front. They've sent thousands of forcibly conscripted LPR and DPR civilians against well defended UKR positions and these guys were given WWII bolt action rifles to attack the UKR frontline. They've overly recruited ethnics from Buryat and Dagestan to throw at the Ukrainians.
They've repeatedly fired upon the renegade Donbass to make it look like the Ukraine has atacked except that when it was missiles they were coming from the wrong direction to be Ukrainian fire and at the point of the conflict where the Ukraine did not have the ranged artillery to reach certain cities they were somehow miraculously shelled by the Ukranians. In Syria they sent 300 Wagner mercs against a US base and they were annihilated.
Russian does not care for its troops which is why they fired upon them, why they sent them to war with rations that were & years out of date, why their equipment is ancient, why the BTG's did not go in in full formation with the appropriate air defence and EW/ECM warfare units, why they keep sending troops to Chorobakia (sp?) airfield to wiped out by artillery for over TWENTY DIFFERENT ocassions.
Russia does not care!
Don't be silly, this isn't ww2 under Stalin. Russia has some of the finest weapons on the market. Their missiles, artillery and especially their air defences are the world,s best.
I'm not saying Putin is overly concerned about their welfare, but army commanders are. Their units are being rotated, rested and resupplied and have high morale, unlike the Ukrainian counterparts
Yes, there are some conscripts and not so elite units, those ones took Mariupol, but that's the case with the Ukrainian military, it's basically on it's arse, and hanging on with just it's bravery.
Russia is picking off weapons depots and troops lodgings, there is nowhere safe for Ukrainian troops to sleep.They are lodging in civilian apartment blocks as they know any barracks will be targeted
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:12 - Jul 17 with 1391 views
The DPR forces occupy that airport - according to this Ukrainian source (so you got that arse backwards). If the DPR troops are trying to hold an airport with strategic importance of course they are going to be attacked.
Oh dear it's you who has got it arse backwards. read the article again and come back to me.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:21 - Jul 17 with 1389 views
Don't be silly, this isn't ww2 under Stalin. Russia has some of the finest weapons on the market. Their missiles, artillery and especially their air defences are the world,s best.
I'm not saying Putin is overly concerned about their welfare, but army commanders are. Their units are being rotated, rested and resupplied and have high morale, unlike the Ukrainian counterparts
Yes, there are some conscripts and not so elite units, those ones took Mariupol, but that's the case with the Ukrainian military, it's basically on it's arse, and hanging on with just it's bravery.
Russia is picking off weapons depots and troops lodgings, there is nowhere safe for Ukrainian troops to sleep.They are lodging in civilian apartment blocks as they know any barracks will be targeted
I give you facts and you spout propaganda...
In the past week the Russians "have picked off" civilian universities, a cultural centre, a shopping mall and civilians towns. To "justify"/muddy the waters the Russians have claimed that the cultural centre was being used by foreign nationals to organise arms - even if true(highly unlikely), actually still a war crime as they are non-combatants. You say they have claimed that they had soldiers based in the civilian buildings attacked... except that every previous ocassions that the russians hit ukranian soldiers in buildings the press reported it - recently no reports as the ukranians realised the mistake and did what the west does in a time of war. The army eats, sleeps and fights in the field.
You are dull as ditchwater.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:55 - Jul 17 with 1374 views
In the past week the Russians "have picked off" civilian universities, a cultural centre, a shopping mall and civilians towns. To "justify"/muddy the waters the Russians have claimed that the cultural centre was being used by foreign nationals to organise arms - even if true(highly unlikely), actually still a war crime as they are non-combatants. You say they have claimed that they had soldiers based in the civilian buildings attacked... except that every previous ocassions that the russians hit ukranian soldiers in buildings the press reported it - recently no reports as the ukranians realised the mistake and did what the west does in a time of war. The army eats, sleeps and fights in the field.
You are dull as ditchwater.
Not trying to be pedantic here DJ, but surely the term is as dull as dish water? Not ditch water.
libera nos a malo
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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:17 - Jul 17 with 1362 views
In the past week the Russians "have picked off" civilian universities, a cultural centre, a shopping mall and civilians towns. To "justify"/muddy the waters the Russians have claimed that the cultural centre was being used by foreign nationals to organise arms - even if true(highly unlikely), actually still a war crime as they are non-combatants. You say they have claimed that they had soldiers based in the civilian buildings attacked... except that every previous ocassions that the russians hit ukranian soldiers in buildings the press reported it - recently no reports as the ukranians realised the mistake and did what the west does in a time of war. The army eats, sleeps and fights in the field.
You are dull as ditchwater.
No , the press do not report those incidents. one of the targets was an officers quarters, another was where Ukrainian soldiers were lodging in an apartment that happened to have 10 pensioners there - The Mall attack , was right next to a factory storing weapons. Another building they showed that was all blackened, was not hit my a missile, it was still standing, it had it's windows blown out
There is no hiding place for Ukrainian troops, despite using civilian apartments etc The press are showing pictures of damaged building, we cam all see those, but we aren't being told the reason they are targeted
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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:25 - Jul 17 with 1357 views
No , the press do not report those incidents. one of the targets was an officers quarters, another was where Ukrainian soldiers were lodging in an apartment that happened to have 10 pensioners there - The Mall attack , was right next to a factory storing weapons. Another building they showed that was all blackened, was not hit my a missile, it was still standing, it had it's windows blown out
There is no hiding place for Ukrainian troops, despite using civilian apartments etc The press are showing pictures of damaged building, we cam all see those, but we aren't being told the reason they are targeted
The press have reported the attacks. Russia just claims any old blarney to hide its war crimes. You've claimed russia has precision weapons and yet the mall was hit and the claimed target, a road construction vehicle depot, is not yards away but hundreds of meters away. The pressa are not telling why the civilian buildings are being targeted as there is no known (justifiable) reason why it would be done.
There have been numerous civilian and military bloggers on the breakaway donbass side that have commented how well dug in and how well furnished the ukraine military defences/living spaces are.
You constantly push propaganda, whataboutery, misdirection and outright lies.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:34 - Jul 17 with 1352 views
You use russsian claims of Ukraine troops using civilian buildings but beyond that provide no proofs. Here is a destroyed russian invader unit(earlier in the war) using a school near Izium.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Russia invade Ukraine on 18:51 - Jul 17 with 1315 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 11:00 - Jul 17 by Brynmill_Jack
I’d rather be a “Muscovite” than a supporter of Nazi ideology hell bent on ethnically cleansing not just ethnic Russians but even just people (Ukrainians) who commit the crime of speaking the Russian language out of Ukraine. This has been going on a long time - as this Russian (so you won’t believe it anyway but I’ve got to try to show you your misconception) programme will tell you.
They commemorate the memories of Bandera and his henchmen who murdered 800 thousand Jews in total ( thousands of those in Lviv) in the Second World War working for the SS. Not to mention Poles who so rightly got offended by the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany with his admission of Bandera being a national hero of the Ukraine.
You support these people - you’re the sick puppy not me.
The west has been misled into giving the most corrupt country on this earth billions of dollars in lethal aid and a lot of the weapons are finding their way to other countries bought by the PKK/Albania/Kosovo off the Ukrainians. Their upper echelons of society flee the country with suitcases full of embezzled cash while their ordinary citizens are left to fight for NATO in this disgusting example of proxy warfare.
Why are you posting 'Russia Today' shows as your evidence (note, the moment I saw that logo I clicked off)? I've just proved to you that Russian was not banned in Ukraine as these propagandists claim and now you're doubling down on it instead of apologising for your error. It's not banned. I know many Russian speakers in Ukraine. None have issues. There are language schools teaching Russian all throughout Kyiv. I know someone who was learning there. It's just such a bizarre accusation when it's so easily disproved.
I see that you're now back to the latest propaganda branch about 'Nazis in Ukraine' (rather than addressing points put to you about what other nonsense you posted). Funny how you casually ignore actual Nazi-like behaviour of the invading army with their mass killings and 'filtration camps'.
I just hope that you're not coming close to convincing anyone else on here apart from the other dimwit propaganda spreader with no morals.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 19:42 - Jul 17 with 1296 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 18:51 - Jul 17 by deanscfc
Why are you posting 'Russia Today' shows as your evidence (note, the moment I saw that logo I clicked off)? I've just proved to you that Russian was not banned in Ukraine as these propagandists claim and now you're doubling down on it instead of apologising for your error. It's not banned. I know many Russian speakers in Ukraine. None have issues. There are language schools teaching Russian all throughout Kyiv. I know someone who was learning there. It's just such a bizarre accusation when it's so easily disproved.
I see that you're now back to the latest propaganda branch about 'Nazis in Ukraine' (rather than addressing points put to you about what other nonsense you posted). Funny how you casually ignore actual Nazi-like behaviour of the invading army with their mass killings and 'filtration camps'.
I just hope that you're not coming close to convincing anyone else on here apart from the other dimwit propaganda spreader with no morals.
It’s becoming clear to me that neither you (nor your friends) are interested in the slightest or are unconcerned that the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany lionises a man whose battalion whilst working for the SS killed 800,000 Jews.
You lot accuse me of being a war crimes denier - does that in turn make you a holocaust denier?
I asked you and the other sycophants a few days ago for an update on the 1000 people (Zelensky’s estimate) trapped under the rubble of the shopping mall in Kremenchuk (apologies if spelled incorrectly). Nobody came back with a response apart from Controversial Jack saying that’s all gone quiet.
So I ask you again - where is your proof of atrocities, verifiable victims lists of names etc etc ? When these bodies are exhumed (in the case of mass graves for example) there will be accounts of victims ages, , addresses etc etc. Ive been sceptical of the Ukrainian reports ever since the child rape allegations turned out to be complete and utter fabrications - no evidence was ever produced and in the end there was an admission from the Ukrainian parliament rubbishing the sacked human rights ombudsman’s statements as fantasy.
I’m not saying the Russians definitely haven’t committed war crimes because I simply don’t know that. But I’m wary of the Ukrainian accounts - if they can lie about such a heinous thing they can stretch the truth about anything.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 20:31 - Jul 17 with 1268 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 20:28 - Jul 16 by majorraglan
Thanks for taking the time to create such a comprehensive post, it’s genuinely appreciated by most of us.
Even if it’s completely devoid of fact! You boys really make me laugh! Amazing over emotional claptrap that says nothing about the aggressive Euromaidan revolution , the burning alive of political opponents (staging a peaceful protest) and the banning, yes, banning of the Russian , Hungarian and most notably Yiddish in the Lviv oblast.
Please take time to read the following Wikipedia page in it’s entirety- especially the 2017 education act and the 2019 Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language.
The analysis section at the end is the most revealing and describes tensions with Hungary over their minority population in the Ukraine.
Have a read, Dean - I’m dying to hear how those words translate into your brain.
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