| The Bigger Cost? 13:10 - Feb 20 with 9714 views | Toffeemanc |
After watching last nights game and the gutting end result I've started thinking about next season. I'm convinced after last night that we will be in League Two next season as no team who defends like we do could ever hope to stay up.
With seemingly more fans than ever prepared to ditch Hill I started to wonder If we are relegated about the financial implications of the drop.
I know dropping into League Two will see us receive significantly less TV revenue than staying in League one and obviously a playing budget to match.
If the board decided to sack Hill we would also need to pay him off which would be a substantial amount for the club.
I'm genuinely left wondering one question, which would cost the club more?
Is the drop in TV revenues big enough for the board to consider sacking Hill now and paying him off in the hope of avoiding the drop and staying in league one and having the higher TV revenues for next season, some of which would no doubt be spent towards Hills payoff.
Or is the cost of paying Hill off going to cost the club more than the drop in TV revenues and therefore the board will stick with him as he would be happy to operate on a further reduced budget in League Two next season.
I've no idea personally of the figures involved so find it hard to make a judgement one way or the other, but was left wondering if anybody else has any knowledge / thoughts on the situation.
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| The Bigger Cost? on 06:36 - Feb 22 with 1313 views | James1980 |
| The Bigger Cost? on 05:54 - Feb 22 by pioneer |
it’s more than our neighbours to the north and they are playing far better football and getting far better results. it really isn’t about budgets...ask chalky |
Surely it is a number of factors budget included. It will be interesting to see if in 4 seasons time Accrington are still in League 1. |  |
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| The Bigger Cost? on 06:37 - Feb 22 with 1313 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| The Bigger Cost? on 22:23 - Feb 21 by 49thseason |
This season we are averaging an attendance of 3414 per game against a league average of 8500, last season we averaged 3503. and had the second-worst attendance figures in League 1. Self evidently clubs with attendances averaging over 10,000 have a huge financial advantage. Lack of money is an ongoing problem as the poor attendance of one season becomes the weaker recruitment of the next.
We are in a downward spiral which will only stop when either the money increases significantly and over many years or we play at a much lower level. Cheaper season tickets have proved only one thing; that there is no appetite for watching Rochdale AFC play football beyond the 3000 diehards and semi irregulars. If we had played in L2 last season we would have had the 9th worst attendance figures.
There are over 80 employees who need paying, there are players on contracts that are too high for their performance levels and players who deserve more money but who will not get a raise. The Hogan windfall has taken away a tranche of debt but the stadium and pitch continually need money spending on their upkeep.
In a nutshell every item of expenditure has to come from a relatively fixed budget. the budget for players simply does not match the sort of money that teams with 10,000+ average attendances have to spend. Relegation may well cost half a million in lost revenues and we will still not be in the top half of attendances in L2 so, in reality, the sums don't change, we can plug some of that shortfall from transfer fees this year but it does not fix the root problem.
Growing our own players is a good idea but it's a bit like owning an allotment, you may well get an occasional glut in terms of a saleable player but it's not every year and it's not entirely predictable. and you still have to go to Tesco to do some shopping.
Without another 2-3-4000 regular supporters, we are locked in a situation we cannot escape from. 5000 fans on Tuesday would have made a huge difference, but as it stands, the ground is funereal, the team is inadequate to the task, and the Board are insufficiently wealthy to throw money at it. Rochdale AFC is moving in the exact opposite direction to the majority of clubs by standing still, we are relatively weaker with each season that passes and yes some teams, even this team, may well have moments in the sunshine, but the truth is that eventually money talks and lack of it results in slow deaths.
As with the town, so with the club . The average annual wage in Rochdale is about £18,600, about £8k less than the national average. in simple terms, there is next to no disposable income and whilst the club has cheap season tickets and gets a lump sum at the start of each season, the occasional football watcher has to pay £17+ on the night and decides that watching Champions League in the pub, a couple of pints and £10 saved is a better prospect... hardly a surprise!
I have stood on these terraces man and boy for sixty years, little has really changed, expectations are regularly dashed, players mostly don't live up to their promise. The board are still butchers and bakers and candlestick makers in the main. It's obvious we will be relegated at some stage, its a matter of when not if. And it may well be easier to put a decent side together in L2 that lasts a couple of good seasons in L1 but then the grind of inevitability sets in and the downward trend is re-established.
KH said some time ago that we need someone to put £2m a year into the club, he should have added: "for the next 25 years". Sadly, unpicking nearly 100 years of dross and failure will take time and money we do not have. |
Good post , but “still have to go to Tesco to do some shopping. “ I would change Tesco, to Aldi, Lidl or even pound world. |  |
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| The Bigger Cost? on 08:42 - Feb 22 with 1217 views | rochdaleriddler |
| The Bigger Cost? on 22:43 - Feb 21 by D_Alien |
But apart from that, why can't we take a decent throw-in? |
Our schoolboy can |  |
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| The Bigger Cost? on 08:46 - Feb 22 with 1213 views | rochdaleriddler |
| The Bigger Cost? on 05:06 - Feb 22 by James1980 |
Let's get something straight I don't think Hill is a deity. But, I also don't believe that the current malaise is 100% down to him. That changing the manager at this stage will make little or no difference to our league position on 4th May and be a cost the club cannot really afford |
He buys the players, he trains the team, he chooses the tactics, he owned the success, and he now owns the failures 100% | |
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| The Bigger Cost? on 08:57 - Feb 22 with 1189 views | DaleFan7 |
| The Bigger Cost? on 05:06 - Feb 22 by James1980 |
Let's get something straight I don't think Hill is a deity. But, I also don't believe that the current malaise is 100% down to him. That changing the manager at this stage will make little or no difference to our league position on 4th May and be a cost the club cannot really afford |
You dont know that changing the manager wouldnt change things, at least in the short term.
Our current position is down to the manager. He took all the praise and glory for us doing well yet takes no responsibility when it isnt going well and seems to expects to live off being our best manager forever. | | | |
| The Bigger Cost? on 11:25 - Feb 22 with 1049 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
Our squad has probably had around 8 players to many all season. if those 8 players are on an average of a grand a week, that's £400K wasted this year.
Five days off rather than working on the training pitch to learn how to defend are both decisions made by Keith Hill!
A new manager would more than likely put some work in on the training pitch, that is something that a new manager would offer, that we don't have at present.
Do we let KH waste £400K a year, for the next 3 years?
On top of this, how many fans are we going to lose because they can no longer listen to his rubbish or watch the most boring football we have played this century.
I would love KH to get his mojo back, but if he cant, then the bigger cost is to keep Keith Hill I'm afraid. |  |
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