| Madsen Mins 11:10 - Jan 8 with 15031 views | LazyFan |
It seems his mins playing for QPR as a trend are going down per game.
That as a trend.
Lets start with the Stoke game in November when our good run of form began (some may say it was later) to see how the mins on the pitch have gone.
D - Stoke = 61
W - Cardiff = 81
D - Watford = 64
W - Norwich = 67
W - Oxford = 67
D - Bristol = 16
W - Preston = Benched
L - Swansea = 45
D - Norwich = 32
W - Watford = 13
W - Luton = Benched.
Fear my Jack Supple analytical powers!
It looks like he's a sub being considered less and less, with Varane, Colback, Field and Morgan ahead of him. He seems to be only just ahead of EDB at the moment. If he goes higher up the formation, he has to compete with Saito, Chair, Smyth, Frey, Kolli, Llyod and even Andersen.
So, I expect him to start against Leicester so as the others get a rest, probably in for Morgan.
But unless he ups his game a lot, I cannot see a way back for him at the moment.
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| Madsen Mins on 18:30 - Jan 13 with 1153 views | Jigsore |
| Madsen Mins on 16:55 - Jan 13 by Stainrod |
Well Morgan would have to sell for a seriously big fee.
Lets say the Madsen fee is 2m (a very conservative estimate).
Lets say he is on 20k a week (not ridiculous seeing as he cost 2m plus).
That is £1m per year salary.
So £5m in wages over 5 years.
And with the 2m transfer fee that's 7m.
Will we get 7m for Morgan? And that's just to break even, not leaving us any money to re-invest.
So no, I just don't think you can count all transfers as being of equal significance, you have to judge according to outlay. Absolutely no problems with taking punts on the likes of Santos (possibly a fail but very early to tell) and Morgan (almost certainly a big win). But if you spend Madsen money on a player a club like us just can't afford to get it SO badly wrong. He is SO lacking in what is required of a Championship footballer I can only conclude that a) he wasn't scouted at all and we simply signed him on his stats, or b) he was watched when he was playing such low-grade, weak as piss opposition that no lessons should have been taken from the match, and c) the edict that we would from now on assess a player's character as well as playing performance must have been waived for this signing. [Post edited 13 Jan 16:58]
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i'm not ITK but 20k a week is surely very unlikely for a player we got from *checks notes* 'Westerlo' |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 18:37 - Jan 13 with 1126 views | GaryHaddock |
| Madsen Mins on 16:55 - Jan 13 by Stainrod |
Well Morgan would have to sell for a seriously big fee.
Lets say the Madsen fee is 2m (a very conservative estimate).
Lets say he is on 20k a week (not ridiculous seeing as he cost 2m plus).
That is £1m per year salary.
So £5m in wages over 5 years.
And with the 2m transfer fee that's 7m.
Will we get 7m for Morgan? And that's just to break even, not leaving us any money to re-invest.
So no, I just don't think you can count all transfers as being of equal significance, you have to judge according to outlay. Absolutely no problems with taking punts on the likes of Santos (possibly a fail but very early to tell) and Morgan (almost certainly a big win). But if you spend Madsen money on a player a club like us just can't afford to get it SO badly wrong. He is SO lacking in what is required of a Championship footballer I can only conclude that a) he wasn't scouted at all and we simply signed him on his stats, or b) he was watched when he was playing such low-grade, weak as piss opposition that no lessons should have been taken from the match, and c) the edict that we would from now on assess a player's character as well as playing performance must have been waived for this signing. [Post edited 13 Jan 16:58]
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I’ll be shocked if there is anyone with us on £20k. Chair maybe? |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 19:18 - Jan 13 with 1010 views | GroveR |
| Madsen Mins on 18:37 - Jan 13 by GaryHaddock |
I’ll be shocked if there is anyone with us on £20k. Chair maybe? |
Cook will be on good money. We paid a fee to Forest for him and they in turn signed him when they were doing that "sign all the players" thing. Whatever they were paying him couldn't have been too shabby as it allowed him to buy his own football club
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| Madsen Mins on 19:37 - Jan 13 with 966 views | kensalriser |
| Madsen Mins on 16:55 - Jan 13 by Stainrod |
Well Morgan would have to sell for a seriously big fee.
Lets say the Madsen fee is 2m (a very conservative estimate).
Lets say he is on 20k a week (not ridiculous seeing as he cost 2m plus).
That is £1m per year salary.
So £5m in wages over 5 years.
And with the 2m transfer fee that's 7m.
Will we get 7m for Morgan? And that's just to break even, not leaving us any money to re-invest.
So no, I just don't think you can count all transfers as being of equal significance, you have to judge according to outlay. Absolutely no problems with taking punts on the likes of Santos (possibly a fail but very early to tell) and Morgan (almost certainly a big win). But if you spend Madsen money on a player a club like us just can't afford to get it SO badly wrong. He is SO lacking in what is required of a Championship footballer I can only conclude that a) he wasn't scouted at all and we simply signed him on his stats, or b) he was watched when he was playing such low-grade, weak as piss opposition that no lessons should have been taken from the match, and c) the edict that we would from now on assess a player's character as well as playing performance must have been waived for this signing. [Post edited 13 Jan 16:58]
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This is a good example of how speculative numbers fill the information vacuum. Before you know it, Madsen earning 20k a week will be gospel for some people.
But again, we just don't know. Stuff leaks, sure, but there is still no way of knowing what's reliable and what's estimates, guesses, speculation or simply made up. If the club has decided to embargo contract details you can bet all the key people involved will have had to sign non-disclosure agreements. And then you have to ask who would leak information and why.
Bottom line for me is I'm not inclined to believe anything for which there is no reliable evidence. |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 19:59 - Jan 13 with 916 views | Rsole |
Read the disclaimer, take it with a pinch of
salt etc.
https://www.capology.com/club/qpr/salaries/
It would seem logically ordered in terms of seniority and experience. |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 20:00 - Jan 13 with 910 views | Rsole |
| Madsen Mins on 19:37 - Jan 13 by kensalriser |
This is a good example of how speculative numbers fill the information vacuum. Before you know it, Madsen earning 20k a week will be gospel for some people.
But again, we just don't know. Stuff leaks, sure, but there is still no way of knowing what's reliable and what's estimates, guesses, speculation or simply made up. If the club has decided to embargo contract details you can bet all the key people involved will have had to sign non-disclosure agreements. And then you have to ask who would leak information and why.
Bottom line for me is I'm not inclined to believe anything for which there is no reliable evidence. |
Should we call 20k a ‘Madsen’ such that it can sit alongside a pony and a monkey ?
Or is Madsen just pony ? | |
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| Madsen Mins on 20:22 - Jan 13 with 863 views | flynnbo |
| Madsen Mins on 14:01 - Jan 13 by Stainrod |
That would be a perfectly rational comment if, as one of about 9 or 10 incomers, he had used up a comparable amount of the transfer budget. But he was our "marquee" signing. |
Buy a clown, expect a circus, put up a marquee, charge the punters. |  | | |
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| Madsen Mins on 20:32 - Jan 13 with 834 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Madsen Mins on 18:37 - Jan 13 by GaryHaddock |
I’ll be shocked if there is anyone with us on £20k. Chair maybe? |
I believe Chair is mid table in the pay league, not sure if the ongoing legal action, helped his bargaining powers when he signed the long term deal in 2021. He must be looking to maximise his earnings at the first chance he gets. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 20:39 - Jan 13 with 802 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
Catastrophic injury crisis aside, can we really see him ever being picked again?
How very Rangers to replace Dozzell like for like. Makes you wonder what EDB has done if even he can’t get in ahead of this wimp.
Thought we signed Mr Blond, but we signed Mr Jelly. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 20:56 - Jan 13 with 754 views | Stainrod |
Well we had players on 6-7k a week under Paladini - he showed me a print out of the wages! So allowing for inflation I don’t think 20k a week for a player who cost 2m is outrageous.
But I’ll concede the point.
Let’s say he is on 10,000 a week.
That’s over 520,000 a year.
Let’s lower it even further and say 500k a year.
Over 5 years that is 2.5m in wages.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he cost less than 2m.
So total outlay at the very least 4.5m.
Hence a completely different level of investment to a Bennie, Morgan or Santos.
And that’s not even counting Celar in last summer’s spend.
So I think my point stands - we will need to get a much chunkier fee than we have managed on any sale since Eze simply to come out of last summer’s window in any kind of financial credit.
As for things not leaking, I think respectfully it’s a little naive to think that doesn’t happen. Ask any journalist. [Post edited 13 Jan 21:01]
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| Madsen Mins on 21:13 - Jan 13 with 715 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 20:22 - Jan 13 by flynnbo |
Buy a clown, expect a circus, put up a marquee, charge the punters. |
Apologies didn’t mean to down vote | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 22:49 - Jan 13 with 616 views | kensalriser |
| Madsen Mins on 20:56 - Jan 13 by Stainrod |
Well we had players on 6-7k a week under Paladini - he showed me a print out of the wages! So allowing for inflation I don’t think 20k a week for a player who cost 2m is outrageous.
But I’ll concede the point.
Let’s say he is on 10,000 a week.
That’s over 520,000 a year.
Let’s lower it even further and say 500k a year.
Over 5 years that is 2.5m in wages.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he cost less than 2m.
So total outlay at the very least 4.5m.
Hence a completely different level of investment to a Bennie, Morgan or Santos.
And that’s not even counting Celar in last summer’s spend.
So I think my point stands - we will need to get a much chunkier fee than we have managed on any sale since Eze simply to come out of last summer’s window in any kind of financial credit.
As for things not leaking, I think respectfully it’s a little naive to think that doesn’t happen. Ask any journalist. [Post edited 13 Jan 21:01]
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No one's saying things don't leak. The point is you can't rely on anything that isn't verifiable. If you think you can, more fool you. | |
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| Madsen Mins on 12:47 - Jan 14 with 375 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 22:49 - Jan 13 by kensalriser |
No one's saying things don't leak. The point is you can't rely on anything that isn't verifiable. If you think you can, more fool you. |
Bit harsh.
I’ve revised down the figures to the lowest conceivable amount - however you slice and dice it, on even the most optimistic forecast (so not relying on any leaks) the Madsen transfer was a cluster-f*ck financially as well as in a footballing sense | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 15:42 - Jan 14 with 219 views | kensalriser |
| Madsen Mins on 12:47 - Jan 14 by Stainrod |
Bit harsh.
I’ve revised down the figures to the lowest conceivable amount - however you slice and dice it, on even the most optimistic forecast (so not relying on any leaks) the Madsen transfer was a cluster-f*ck financially as well as in a footballing sense |
I think we can probably agree on that, even if we're paying him YTS money. | |
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