| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread 02:07 - Jan 3 with 14437 views | ModeratorC |
Welcome to the Luke Williams derby. The game where he will take charge of the Swans in the first half and the Baggies in the second. And then hopefully feck off with them up the M5 š
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:23 - Jan 4 with 898 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:15 - Jan 4 by Whiterockin |
I prefer 4-4-2 but I can't see Williams ever playing any way spart from one up front. We really need better recruitment to fit the shape we play. |
that's my point we used to recruit players to fit our "system" style of play....Kevin Reeves was great at this.
Nowadays we appear to look for "Cheap" shining stars in teams rather than will they fit in and add something
Franco has....Vig had been a good find but the rest seem to be a much of a muchness | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:26 - Jan 4 with 873 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:20 - Jan 4 by Luther27 |
Or we change the shape we play with what we have. Iād like Cullen to play closer to VIP and Franco as supply.
Pipe dream I know but itās got to be better than we are right now. |
Never going to happen mate. We sometimes have the strangest set up I've ever seen. Two at the back with Grimes occasionally dropping in. Right back playing left midfield during the game and leaving us open because Ronald has to cover. All very strange. |  | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:30 - Jan 4 with 842 views | Luther27 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:26 - Jan 4 by Whiterockin |
Never going to happen mate. We sometimes have the strangest set up I've ever seen. Two at the back with Grimes occasionally dropping in. Right back playing left midfield during the game and leaving us open because Ronald has to cover. All very strange. |
Trying to play last years Man City tactics with limited ability players. Itās never going to work otherwise weād be heading for Europe.
And yes I agreeā¦.my pipe dreams never going to happen especially as Iād play Banchini on the left side as well. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:17 - Jan 5 with 640 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:26 - Jan 4 by Whiterockin |
Never going to happen mate. We sometimes have the strangest set up I've ever seen. Two at the back with Grimes occasionally dropping in. Right back playing left midfield during the game and leaving us open because Ronald has to cover. All very strange. |
Itās not strange ,but utter folly
Grimes has to been involved in everything even if it only to pass a ball two yards only for him to,pass it right back.
Key is a momentous liability and liable to cost us any game with his dumbarse runs into No manās land. A decent coach would stop this instantly
Same applies with Tymon,one of the most awkward defenders I have seen .
I had better not mention Eom,Surely the most frail player we have ever acquired . An utter waste if a shirt if ever there was one .
Apart from the perma subbed Franco and Larry,we have sourced badly again and the fact this coach is so arrogant and deluded ,none of them will get much better .
Heās improved Cullen I read. Clearly not .
Vipotnik has no chance with the shyte in front of him .
Strange brew | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:26 - Jan 5 with 617 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:17 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
Itās not strange ,but utter folly
Grimes has to been involved in everything even if it only to pass a ball two yards only for him to,pass it right back.
Key is a momentous liability and liable to cost us any game with his dumbarse runs into No manās land. A decent coach would stop this instantly
Same applies with Tymon,one of the most awkward defenders I have seen .
I had better not mention Eom,Surely the most frail player we have ever acquired . An utter waste if a shirt if ever there was one .
Apart from the perma subbed Franco and Larry,we have sourced badly again and the fact this coach is so arrogant and deluded ,none of them will get much better .
Heās improved Cullen I read. Clearly not .
Vipotnik has no chance with the shyte in front of him .
Strange brew |
Vipotnik has no chance because heās not interested until he gets given the ball, unmarked in shooting range.
Their #9 involved himself in the game, he didnāt wait for others to do it for him.
Cullen has been given a position that suits him better. He was awful and anonymous yesterday, but at least he doesnāt do that every game. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:33 - Jan 5 with 607 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:26 - Jan 4 by Whiterockin |
Never going to happen mate. We sometimes have the strangest set up I've ever seen. Two at the back with Grimes occasionally dropping in. Right back playing left midfield during the game and leaving us open because Ronald has to cover. All very strange. |
The very fact that Grimes drops so deep and Cullen has to support the high press means the midfield ends up light in numbers and both Tymon and Key end up in the middle to support Franco.
As you say strange logic as it leaves our wingers as fullbacks leaving us without the width that was the previously set up.
We don't play the through ball into the middle on the floor as neither Cullen or Vipotnik have the pace or trickier to stand up defenders and then go past them butb both were seen pealing away to try and get behind the defenders but the quick ball never came or was to late leaving the runs wasted and leaving us offside. Really think both Eom and Ronald should come in field more often it would mean support for the CF and Cullen could drop deeper to support the midfield at time as required.
Team formation as we play it out from the back 3-3-4 that is with Key and Tymon pushed on out wide and Cullen push on to support the CF and Wingers also out wide it actually leaves us with just one player in the middle of the midfield. If Cullen drops deep no support for the CF as the winger hug the touchline, if Cullen pushes up the fullbacks go into the midfield opposition wingers given free runs down the flanks which often end up as direct runs on goals.
We seem to have no idea what to do if a high press is employed by the opposition we persist in the midfield dropping deep as the fullback push wide high up the pitch, very rarely do we let the full backs drop deep making the quick ball from the goalie into the safe flanks which can easily be progressed to the wingers still relatively safe area but because the midfield hasn't dropped deep they are available to the wingers passes coming onto the ball and with a full view in front of them can see the runs being made by players in front of them and can play the ball quickly, because you wouldn't want to hold onto the ball too long and get caught in possession as we do would you.
The thinking should be about getting the ball out of defence in a controlled manner but we usually try to do it in one way and it is easily negated, we have seen when Grimes pushed further up the pitch we play better because teams aren't set up for it.
Not enough variation in our approach to games we need 4-5-1 if we are under pressure, not 3-3-4 and not 5-4-1 unless the opposition really commits players forward then man marking is a must.
We have seen indecision in our marking and pressing of the player on the ball which has lead to us being played through on numerous occasions if we are not full commit to a press don't do it get yourselves back into a good defensive shape first. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:38 - Jan 5 with 596 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:26 - Jan 5 by jack247 |
Vipotnik has no chance because heās not interested until he gets given the ball, unmarked in shooting range.
Their #9 involved himself in the game, he didnāt wait for others to do it for him.
Cullen has been given a position that suits him better. He was awful and anonymous yesterday, but at least he doesnāt do that every game. |
Maybe,they could utilise him in a way that suits him as he can finish and that is what we need.
Many great strikers have been ā lazyā nit that he is anything other than ordinary
Would it be better to bring Jerry back ?
Either way, we have brought in duds. It is about polishing a turd . | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:40 - Jan 5 with 593 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 23:20 - Jan 4 by Luther27 |
Or we change the shape we play with what we have. Iād like Cullen to play closer to VIP and Franco as supply.
Pipe dream I know but itās got to be better than we are right now. |
Change
Exactly right | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:43 - Jan 5 with 596 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:17 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
Itās not strange ,but utter folly
Grimes has to been involved in everything even if it only to pass a ball two yards only for him to,pass it right back.
Key is a momentous liability and liable to cost us any game with his dumbarse runs into No manās land. A decent coach would stop this instantly
Same applies with Tymon,one of the most awkward defenders I have seen .
I had better not mention Eom,Surely the most frail player we have ever acquired . An utter waste if a shirt if ever there was one .
Apart from the perma subbed Franco and Larry,we have sourced badly again and the fact this coach is so arrogant and deluded ,none of them will get much better .
Heās improved Cullen I read. Clearly not .
Vipotnik has no chance with the shyte in front of him .
Strange brew |
Both Key and Tymon runs across the field is to relieve pressure but they then need to get the ball away quicker but both have been asked to go forward in the middle but to do that they then try and get the ball back on their favoured foot to play it forward, not a good thing to be doing as they end up turning back into the players tracking them, once you have eased the pressure get the ball away as has been mentioned by other posters, you have taken players out of the game don't let them back in by holding onto the ball too long.
For me both need to open their bodies out and just play a simple ball down the line to the wingers who you would expect to have players in support of them, Franco provide that support so well. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:49 - Jan 5 with 579 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:43 - Jan 5 by RichardO |
Both Key and Tymon runs across the field is to relieve pressure but they then need to get the ball away quicker but both have been asked to go forward in the middle but to do that they then try and get the ball back on their favoured foot to play it forward, not a good thing to be doing as they end up turning back into the players tracking them, once you have eased the pressure get the ball away as has been mentioned by other posters, you have taken players out of the game don't let them back in by holding onto the ball too long.
For me both need to open their bodies out and just play a simple ball down the line to the wingers who you would expect to have players in support of them, Franco provide that support so well. |
By running across the field ,they lose the ball and leave opponents straight to attack our goal .
Neither can tackle.
Opponents basically have free rein to cross as they wish .
This is basic football.
We are a mess
Shambolic
The transition for opponents is made easy by us every game ,even teams at the bottom end
Indefensible | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:08 - Jan 5 with 552 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:49 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
By running across the field ,they lose the ball and leave opponents straight to attack our goal .
Neither can tackle.
Opponents basically have free rein to cross as they wish .
This is basic football.
We are a mess
Shambolic
The transition for opponents is made easy by us every game ,even teams at the bottom end
Indefensible |
Wasn't defending it they are being asked to do it because we are not getting forward throughthe middle of the park because Grimes is to deep, one problem leading to another, happier for the full backs to come deep on the flanks and play the ball down the line instead means Grimes wouldn't have to drop deep and if teams try the press we have players in the midfield as options for wingers and centre forwards. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:11 - Jan 5 with 544 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 09:38 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
Maybe,they could utilise him in a way that suits him as he can finish and that is what we need.
Many great strikers have been ā lazyā nit that he is anything other than ordinary
Would it be better to bring Jerry back ?
Either way, we have brought in duds. It is about polishing a turd . |
He needs too much done for him. If youāre not going to do anything apart from score goals, you need to be scoring regularly. Heās got natural ability but he doesnāt help himself make the most of it.
Jerry - not for me. Derby fans love him but I donāt think heās what we need.
Youāre absolutely right, weāve recruited horribly striker wise. Bianchini looks like he could be a good signing at least. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:13 - Jan 5 with 535 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:08 - Jan 5 by RichardO |
Wasn't defending it they are being asked to do it because we are not getting forward throughthe middle of the park because Grimes is to deep, one problem leading to another, happier for the full backs to come deep on the flanks and play the ball down the line instead means Grimes wouldn't have to drop deep and if teams try the press we have players in the midfield as options for wingers and centre forwards. |
I know you werenāt
Iām commenting as I see it
When these full backs come inside,( so to speak) my heart misses a beat
Niw,whether one is there at the stadium or not,this happens . Itās the same thing.
Madness
We are in strange times
Itās all rather perverse to me but at least you are in a select cadre of posters that can debate issues not just Chuck barbs around
Well done | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:40 - Jan 5 with 502 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:13 - Jan 5 by onehunglow |
I know you werenāt
Iām commenting as I see it
When these full backs come inside,( so to speak) my heart misses a beat
Niw,whether one is there at the stadium or not,this happens . Itās the same thing.
Madness
We are in strange times
Itās all rather perverse to me but at least you are in a select cadre of posters that can debate issues not just Chuck barbs around
Well done |
For me Grimes coming deep so often doesn't work we have no one in the middle e of midfield opening play up so we can progress up the field while enabling us to stay solid in defence. Franco and Allen when on the pitch do enable us to get forward, Platino and Paterson did, they all have come deep at times and we look better team with them although Paterson would trier and Platino's inexperience showed.
We need legs in the midfield Franco's alone are not enough but cannot expect Tymon and Key fill the gaps in the middle and make sure our wings are not exposed.. | | | |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:13 - Jan 5 with 461 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 10:08 - Jan 5 by RichardO |
Wasn't defending it they are being asked to do it because we are not getting forward throughthe middle of the park because Grimes is to deep, one problem leading to another, happier for the full backs to come deep on the flanks and play the ball down the line instead means Grimes wouldn't have to drop deep and if teams try the press we have players in the midfield as options for wingers and centre forwards. |
We donāt cope well with the high press Richard. Itās no coincidence that when we score late, the opposition is sitting deep allowing us the space to get forward and get crosses in.
We need training routines allowing us to make room in the midfield by by-passing the press and getting the ball up the pitch quickly. When we are in that position we dilly dally until the opposition are reset and we see the meaningless passing.
We need pace but we also need speed of thought and action, one touch instead of 3 or 4 (I appreciate the pitch didnāt help yesterday but itās been going on all season). Players need to move more off the ball drawing the opposition away and creating gaps. These are things I donāt see and for me is a lack of basic coaching.
But what do I know. |  |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:21 - Jan 5 with 442 views | Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure how many previously quite prolific forwards we're going to get through (one of whom has already become a firm fan favourite elsewhere) before people start to consider the possibility that the forwards aren't the problem. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:28 - Jan 5 with 421 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:21 - Jan 5 by Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure how many previously quite prolific forwards we're going to get through (one of whom has already become a firm fan favourite elsewhere) before people start to consider the possibility that the forwards aren't the problem. |
We created several opportunities to score yesterday unlike QPR we didn't take them.
There is a mix of issues.....a lack of a prolific goal scorer, at times pedestrian football.
The QPR and Luton games were played at a higher pace...and we did have scoring opportunities in both | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:29 - Jan 5 with 419 views | max936 |
Anyone know as to why Grimes was in tears at the end of game? |  |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:29 - Jan 5 with 413 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:29 - Jan 5 by max936 |
Anyone know as to why Grimes was in tears at the end of game? |
Now youāve got me thinking overtime š | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:34 - Jan 5 with 369 views | max936 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:29 - Jan 5 by union_jack |
Now youāve got me thinking overtime š |
I'm not paying you any overtime  | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:37 - Jan 5 with 358 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:29 - Jan 5 by max936 |
Anyone know as to why Grimes was in tears at the end of game? |
Becuse Williams is still hereš |  |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:39 - Jan 5 with 343 views | max936 |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:37 - Jan 5 by raynor94 |
Becuse Williams is still hereš |
I thought it was because Williams told him he was going | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:39 - Jan 5 with 337 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:28 - Jan 5 by vetchonian |
We created several opportunities to score yesterday unlike QPR we didn't take them.
There is a mix of issues.....a lack of a prolific goal scorer, at times pedestrian football.
The QPR and Luton games were played at a higher pace...and we did have scoring opportunities in both |
Two shots on target from nearly 60% possession so no, we quite clearly didn't create several opportunities. The one single opening Vipotnik had he flashed a shot just centimetres past the post. For the rest of the game both he (and eventually Bianchini) had nothing to work with.
The other question is why, when Cullen was having such a stinker, we didn't take him off and play both Vip and Bianchini together, something Williams seems entirely reluctant to do.
Football is a simple game but we seem determined to vastly overcomplicate it. If one of the shortest players on the pitch can head an equaliser when we finally do put a half tidy ball into the box, why do we end up spending so much time faffing about with the ball through the middle and on the edge of the area instead of trying to move the ball with more pace and intent than we do?
None of our attacking players are being well served by this dross. There was one moment in the first half where in the space of about ten seconds Grimes received the ball three times in enough space to turn and move forward yet chose to immediately pass it back where it came from each time. Any attempt to try and play with tempo or on the counter is stifled by the skipper, clearly either acting under orders or a manager too weak to stop him. [Post edited 5 Jan 12:01]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:46 - Jan 5 with 319 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:39 - Jan 5 by Dr_Winston |
Two shots on target from nearly 60% possession so no, we quite clearly didn't create several opportunities. The one single opening Vipotnik had he flashed a shot just centimetres past the post. For the rest of the game both he (and eventually Bianchini) had nothing to work with.
The other question is why, when Cullen was having such a stinker, we didn't take him off and play both Vip and Bianchini together, something Williams seems entirely reluctant to do.
Football is a simple game but we seem determined to vastly overcomplicate it. If one of the shortest players on the pitch can head an equaliser when we finally do put a half tidy ball into the box, why do we end up spending so much time faffing about with the ball through the middle and on the edge of the area instead of trying to move the ball with more pace and intent than we do?
None of our attacking players are being well served by this dross. There was one moment in the first half where in the space of about ten seconds Grimes received the ball three times in enough space to turn and move forward yet chose to immediately pass it back where it came from each time. Any attempt to try and play with tempo or on the counter is stifled by the skipper, clearly either acting under orders or a manager too weak to stop him. [Post edited 5 Jan 12:01]
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Don't start me on Grimes there was one occasion he had the ball on the edge of their penalty area he was trying to get it on his left foot got into trouble them we ended up back in front of our goal area | |
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| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:52 - Jan 5 with 302 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion : Match day thread on 11:46 - Jan 5 by vetchonian |
Don't start me on Grimes there was one occasion he had the ball on the edge of their penalty area he was trying to get it on his left foot got into trouble them we ended up back in front of our goal area |
This is precisely the problem. By the time we do get into the opponent's final third their defence has had the chance to get itself set, which is why we end up so tediously having to go back and fore between the flanks and middle.
Possession for the sake of possession just leads to boring football. Possession with intent is key, and that's where we've been falling down for most of the past four or five years. People are starting to vote with their feet at the lack of entertainment on offer. There must have been less than 10,000 there yesterday. The family stand was particularly sparsely populated because what youngster raised on Tiktok and Youtube wants to be bored out of their skull watching this? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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