| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 138780 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:20 - Apr 20 with 1258 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:53 - Apr 20 by builthjack |
Not sure about other areas but locally it seems to be working. The usual black spots where you would have a bang every month or two are accident free at present.
As I say, not sure if it’s the same in other areas, but I hope so. Less accidents means less injured or killed.
Happy to leave for work a few minutes earlier if it means the roads are safer.
Not all will agree , because they leave for work last minute, rush to get there, and put themselves and others at risk. [Post edited 20 Apr 17:05]
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Around my area a lot of people are ignoring the 20 and around here it is needed. The roads are narrow, there's a lot of kids because of a school and a park and playing fields. There is a mini roundabout where there are a lot of near misses and have been several accidents, we still hear the regular parp of horns because people just don't slow down or even stop. it's just made no difference here.
Camera's would catch a load of people. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:01 - Apr 20 with 1220 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:53 - Apr 20 by builthjack |
Not sure about other areas but locally it seems to be working. The usual black spots where you would have a bang every month or two are accident free at present.
As I say, not sure if it’s the same in other areas, but I hope so. Less accidents means less injured or killed.
Happy to leave for work a few minutes earlier if it means the roads are safer.
Not all will agree , because they leave for work last minute, rush to get there, and put themselves and others at risk. [Post edited 20 Apr 17:05]
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Often using their phones t the same time or having a piece of toast | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:08 - Apr 20 with 1220 views | builthjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:01 - Apr 20 by onehunglow |
Often using their phones t the same time or having a piece of toast |
Don’t mind them eating toast. It’s the ones eating beans on toast when driving that are the problem.
Phones- yes, people looking down at their laps when driving is a giveaway. Throw the book at them. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:12 - Apr 20 with 1200 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:08 - Apr 20 by builthjack |
Don’t mind them eating toast. It’s the ones eating beans on toast when driving that are the problem.
Phones- yes, people looking down at their laps when driving is a giveaway. Throw the book at them. |
Ken.
Truly, I see much early morning walking our Lab down the lanes and the level of concentration is often zero.
The road adjacent to us is 20 mph. It’s tight and twisty and most are doing around 20/30 . Problem is they are not concentrating. Many times they’ve almost run into me and my dig as they do not give the space recommended in the amended Highway Code,not that these jerks have seen a copy since their test .
The day is going to come when,on a tight bend, I am going to stop a car and drag the feckong driver out and t wat him. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:34 - Apr 20 with 1184 views | controversial_jack |
On thursday i drove the length of Wales, from the south to Caernarfon. Only in a few places where they are actually needed did i come across 20mph limits. I don't know why so many are getting their knickers in a twist over this issue | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:42 - Apr 20 with 1180 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:34 - Apr 20 by controversial_jack |
On thursday i drove the length of Wales, from the south to Caernarfon. Only in a few places where they are actually needed did i come across 20mph limits. I don't know why so many are getting their knickers in a twist over this issue |
At least the Senedd have responded to public opinion and the record petition. They are finally looking at the evidence and have done a massive U-TURN . If only they had a proper consultation before they implemented totally unnecessary changes costing millions. Will cost millions more put right.
The cynical amongst us might think the changes have been made as a General Election is due this year. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:26 - Apr 20 with 1124 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:42 - Apr 20 by felixstowe_jack |
At least the Senedd have responded to public opinion and the record petition. They are finally looking at the evidence and have done a massive U-TURN . If only they had a proper consultation before they implemented totally unnecessary changes costing millions. Will cost millions more put right.
The cynical amongst us might think the changes have been made as a General Election is due this year. |
It's hardly an untested system. They have these limits in many countries. It may cost initially, but will save money in the long term | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:43 - Apr 20 with 1104 views | majorraglan |
Ken Skates appears to be taking a more pragmatic and sensible approach to this than the other politicians in Cardiff Bay, if he carries on like this he’ll really show some of his mates in Cardiff Bay up.
There’s defo a place for 20mph limits, it’s also important to encourage people to walk more often and to cycle as well as there a huge health benefits but what is needed is a sensible balanced approach. | | | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:33 - Apr 20 with 1091 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:34 - Apr 20 by controversial_jack |
On thursday i drove the length of Wales, from the south to Caernarfon. Only in a few places where they are actually needed did i come across 20mph limits. I don't know why so many are getting their knickers in a twist over this issue |
Really , what route did you take ? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:09 - Apr 20 with 1079 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:33 - Apr 20 by Boundy |
Really , what route did you take ? |
South To North West. Can't remember the roads, Brecon, Builth, Rhyader, then turned westwards. Hell of a drive too. Have to come back tomoz | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:42 - Apr 21 with 999 views | Dr_Winston |
Once this has happened, I'd hope to see pressure applied to lift other stupid speed restrictions that are currently in place, like the Heads of the Valleys road, which should be 60-70mph but for reasons that nobody can sensibly explain has been limited to 50mph.
Likewise the 50mph restriction on the M4 through Port Talbot. Even if you accept the reason given, once the blast furnaces shut down then that reason no longer exists. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:33 - Apr 21 with 979 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:42 - Apr 21 by Dr_Winston |
Once this has happened, I'd hope to see pressure applied to lift other stupid speed restrictions that are currently in place, like the Heads of the Valleys road, which should be 60-70mph but for reasons that nobody can sensibly explain has been limited to 50mph.
Likewise the 50mph restriction on the M4 through Port Talbot. Even if you accept the reason given, once the blast furnaces shut down then that reason no longer exists. |
The port talbot one is even more ridiculous when you concider that the dual carriageway from Briton Ferry to the motorway is closer to houses and has a higher speed limit. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:00 - Apr 21 with 956 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:33 - Apr 21 by Whiterockin |
The port talbot one is even more ridiculous when you concider that the dual carriageway from Briton Ferry to the motorway is closer to houses and has a higher speed limit. |
The M48 off the old Severn Bridge to Chepstow is also 50mph which is crackers too. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:03 - Apr 21 with 956 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:34 - Apr 20 by controversial_jack |
On thursday i drove the length of Wales, from the south to Caernarfon. Only in a few places where they are actually needed did i come across 20mph limits. I don't know why so many are getting their knickers in a twist over this issue |
Blah balh blah...blah blah....blah.
I don't even have to go more than 5 miles from my house and there are roads where the speed limits seem wrong, in some cases the speed limit seems too high to me, like on Peniel green road from Birchgrove roundabout towards Skewen.
Your knickers are in a constant twist as you keep trying so hard to be controversial. Sad. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:14 - Apr 21 with 938 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:03 - Apr 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Blah balh blah...blah blah....blah.
I don't even have to go more than 5 miles from my house and there are roads where the speed limits seem wrong, in some cases the speed limit seems too high to me, like on Peniel green road from Birchgrove roundabout towards Skewen.
Your knickers are in a constant twist as you keep trying so hard to be controversial. Sad. |
Why don't you just stop whinging snd grow a pair | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:29 - Apr 22 with 826 views | majorraglan |
They’re a little behind Westminster who published a report on road pricing in February 2022, at least a year before this came out from WG. The DFT report from Westminster predicts a 51% increase in traffic levels by 2050 on account of electric vehicles while revenue from fuel duty and vehicle excise duty is going to decrease significantly.
A lack of interest in building new road infrastructure both here and in England is going to create massive problems further down the line. In London, something like 27% of workers use their cars to commute to work, across England it’s 67%, in Scotland it’s 68% but in Wales it’s 83% which I suspect is because we’re a more rural area.
Encouraging people to walk and cycle where possible makes sense, but it needs to be a pragmatic and sensible approach. The projected increase in traffic makes the decision not to proceed with a bypass around Newport even worse.
https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/8754/documents/88692/default/ | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:56 - Apr 22 with 800 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:29 - Apr 22 by majorraglan |
They’re a little behind Westminster who published a report on road pricing in February 2022, at least a year before this came out from WG. The DFT report from Westminster predicts a 51% increase in traffic levels by 2050 on account of electric vehicles while revenue from fuel duty and vehicle excise duty is going to decrease significantly.
A lack of interest in building new road infrastructure both here and in England is going to create massive problems further down the line. In London, something like 27% of workers use their cars to commute to work, across England it’s 67%, in Scotland it’s 68% but in Wales it’s 83% which I suspect is because we’re a more rural area.
Encouraging people to walk and cycle where possible makes sense, but it needs to be a pragmatic and sensible approach. The projected increase in traffic makes the decision not to proceed with a bypass around Newport even worse.
https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/8754/documents/88692/default/ |
If they want people in Wales to use public transport there has to be public transport available. Many areas there is no public transport after 6.30pm, many buss routes have seen a 50% cut in services. Provide the service and you have more chance of it being used, forward planning is required by the Senedd not knee jerk solutions. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:56 - Apr 22 with 797 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:14 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Why don't you just stop whinging snd grow a pair |
Like those Ukrainians really. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:04 - Apr 22 with 774 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:56 - Apr 22 by Whiterockin |
If they want people in Wales to use public transport there has to be public transport available. Many areas there is no public transport after 6.30pm, many buss routes have seen a 50% cut in services. Provide the service and you have more chance of it being used, forward planning is required by the Senedd not knee jerk solutions. |
I agree with you, it’s a chicken and the egg thing. No buses = no travellers, no travellers = no buses, plus public transport can be very expensive especially for families.
The one place that doesn’t have deregulated public transport is London which has the highest usage levels. I appreciate its more densely populated than other parts of the U.K. but it has the integrated joined up approach I think public transport needs. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:25 - Apr 22 with 766 views | Boundy |
Thanks , I know that journey very well and as its mostly local traffic I can't see why there would be many changes to the speed limit , admittedly I haven't had the need to travel that way since my retirement | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:26 - Apr 22 with 762 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:00 - Apr 21 by majorraglan |
The M48 off the old Severn Bridge to Chepstow is also 50mph which is crackers too. |
That's because they're downgraded the standard of the crash barriers as being not suitable for high speed collisions with it . This has been the case for over 18 months | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:36 - Apr 22 with 756 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:04 - Apr 22 by majorraglan |
I agree with you, it’s a chicken and the egg thing. No buses = no travellers, no travellers = no buses, plus public transport can be very expensive especially for families.
The one place that doesn’t have deregulated public transport is London which has the highest usage levels. I appreciate its more densely populated than other parts of the U.K. but it has the integrated joined up approach I think public transport needs. |
A scheme like this available in England would also help. Yes its asking the Senedd for more subsidies but if you want people onto public transport it has to be heavily subsidised. Plus the train and bus timetables need to be linked, getting off a train in rural Wales and waiting well over an hour for a bus is no joke. I enjoy travelling on public transport as there is no better way to see SW Wales, it's just that the Senedd need to put more thought into it.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/2-bus-fare-cap | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:30 - Apr 22 with 731 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 11:36 - Apr 22 by Whiterockin |
A scheme like this available in England would also help. Yes its asking the Senedd for more subsidies but if you want people onto public transport it has to be heavily subsidised. Plus the train and bus timetables need to be linked, getting off a train in rural Wales and waiting well over an hour for a bus is no joke. I enjoy travelling on public transport as there is no better way to see SW Wales, it's just that the Senedd need to put more thought into it.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/2-bus-fare-cap |
100% agree with you. The problem is most of the people making the decisions don’t know what a bus looks like, they need to get on the buses to experience the issues and reality for themselves. I’ve see it in the past where they bring people in to do something and they haven’t got a clue. | | | |
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