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Warburton, What's next? on 21:30 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
Football is a results based business Juzzie. Of course it is. Ask any football manager. You can hit targets off the pitch but unless you're successful on it then you'll be under pressure. That's why managers get paid the massive salaries they pick up.
As I have said on another thread, I personally think he needs a better coaching team around him. I've never been convinced by Eustace and would love to know how effective the coaches we have are. I suspect someone like Clint Hill would be a great assistant for him.
If he goes at the end of the season, I would consider interviewing Pearson, Bowyer, Adkins, Powell, Neville and Wagner. Obviously depending on budgets.
Personally would have liked Hughton before he went to Forest.
Would they come here? No idea.
None of those Managers would even think about coming to QPR and you can’t interview, or even consider, someone who has no interest in being here. Maybe 8 years ago when we were splashing the cash but not now.
As has been said before, we can’t attract the best managers, the best coaches or the best players otherwise they’d already be here.
I think the bar needs to be lowered a bit.
As for results business I guess we just see it from different perspectives. Personally, i go to football to get a respite from all of that.
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Warburton, What's next? on 22:07 - Dec 2 with 1961 views
Warburton, What's next? on 20:46 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
I work in sales mate. A results based business. If you don't perform, you get the boot. It's that simple.
As a sales manager, I closely watch the performance of my team. I make changes, I influence, I analyse constantly and I question everything.
No different to questioning the impact of our managers.
*I work in sales mate. A results based business. you don't perform you get the boot. It's that simple.*
Although I'm now retired I was a Manager in the Construction Industry, thankfully we had the good grace to bring in members of site staff who weren't as you say 'performing' with the intention of sitting them down and finding out where they were going wrong and more often or not finding ways to get them up to speed.
Thank f uck we didn't treat fellow human beings like you do and just give them the boot.
My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.
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Warburton, What's next? on 22:11 - Dec 2 with 1980 views
Warburton, What's next? on 21:46 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
None of those Managers would even think about coming to QPR and you can’t interview, or even consider, someone who has no interest in being here. Maybe 8 years ago when we were splashing the cash but not now.
As has been said before, we can’t attract the best managers, the best coaches or the best players otherwise they’d already be here.
I think the bar needs to be lowered a bit.
As for results business I guess we just see it from different perspectives. Personally, i go to football to get a respite from all of that.
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Ok, we don't agree but hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and is not just about sacking a manager.
Warburton, What's next? on 22:07 - Dec 2 by ted_hendrix
*I work in sales mate. A results based business. you don't perform you get the boot. It's that simple.*
Although I'm now retired I was a Manager in the Construction Industry, thankfully we had the good grace to bring in members of site staff who weren't as you say 'performing' with the intention of sitting them down and finding out where they were going wrong and more often or not finding ways to get them up to speed.
Thank f uck we didn't treat fellow human beings like you do and just give them the boot.
Ted, that's exactly what I try to do with my team. Coach them and support them. But I work for a large us company and failure to meet targets means that people lose their jobs. I'm at risk, like everyone else.
But we get paid the salaries we do so we accept the risks.
Warburton, What's next? on 22:11 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
Ok, we don't agree but hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and is not just about sacking a manager.
Have a good evening. ðŸ‘
I understand where you’re coming from but it’s just the relentless battering of the same questions. Polls, polls and more polls. As i have demonstrated before (and you like stats) that only the top 3 or 4 clubs come the end of the season will have won more games than they will have drawn & lost. Even clubs who finish just inside the play offs will have drawn and lost more games than they have won. Yet every time we draw or lose a game, there’s a raft of questioning by many as to why we didn’t win that game. Believe you me I’m just as frustrated but I don’t feel the need to get my flip-chart out.
It matters not who the manager is, by and large season after season we are more than likely going to not win more games than we win. Yet it’s lather, rinse, repeat. Question the manager, manager gets sacked, new manger, results pretty much the same, question the manager, manager gets sacked and around it goes.
None of us can do diddly sh*t about anything anyway unless we've got £10m to hand and even then thats now no good under FFP rules.
I get more aggravated about peoples reactions when we lose than the actual loss itself! Its so pointless to the extent that people go to. Yeah, have a moan, have a gripe but IMO there’s no need to get all Cambridge Analytica over it.
Anyways, have a good evening too. I’m up at the crack of dawn as always so probably best I get some shut eye!!
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Warburton, What's next? on 22:36 - Dec 2 with 1931 views
Warburton, What's next? on 22:33 - Dec 2 by Juzzie
I understand where you’re coming from but it’s just the relentless battering of the same questions. Polls, polls and more polls. As i have demonstrated before (and you like stats) that only the top 3 or 4 clubs come the end of the season will have won more games than they will have drawn & lost. Even clubs who finish just inside the play offs will have drawn and lost more games than they have won. Yet every time we draw or lose a game, there’s a raft of questioning by many as to why we didn’t win that game. Believe you me I’m just as frustrated but I don’t feel the need to get my flip-chart out.
It matters not who the manager is, by and large season after season we are more than likely going to not win more games than we win. Yet it’s lather, rinse, repeat. Question the manager, manager gets sacked, new manger, results pretty much the same, question the manager, manager gets sacked and around it goes.
None of us can do diddly sh*t about anything anyway unless we've got £10m to hand and even then thats now no good under FFP rules.
I get more aggravated about peoples reactions when we lose than the actual loss itself! Its so pointless to the extent that people go to. Yeah, have a moan, have a gripe but IMO there’s no need to get all Cambridge Analytica over it.
Anyways, have a good evening too. I’m up at the crack of dawn as always so probably best I get some shut eye!!
Warburton, What's next? on 22:16 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
Ted, that's exactly what I try to do with my team. Coach them and support them. But I work for a large us company and failure to meet targets means that people lose their jobs. I'm at risk, like everyone else.
But we get paid the salaries we do so we accept the risks.
I work for a global company that although is French owned, our business area is very much run by and driven by senior people in the US.
The US model doesn’t work, its a busted flush.
I read an article a few years ago from a retired business lecturer who was one of those people doing all those business courses/lectures in the US, especially California, many decades ago. Raking it in they were, kerr-ching. He now says it was all wrong. It was all about short termism, no long term outlook. Businesses then burning out too quickly, staff burning out as their bosses demanding that perpetual year on year growth. Probably drummed into them on one of those courses.
Look at the US car industry. Once mighty and proud, now gone. Run by dinosaurs who still think its ok to have leaf springs on the rear suspension ffs! No wonder the Japanese walked all over them just as they did over here. Same with motorbikes, a country of its size should not have just one big major bike manufacturer (Harley Davidson) and they nearly went bankrupt. Same ideology as cars.... big thumper engines, awful chassis, awful suspension, awful brakes. Suited for long straight roads, yes, but no good elsewhere. So insular.
The set up in our opposite departments over there is a mess, the whole infrastructure is falling apart and to the extent we are now having to do their work for them and I even have colleagues over there saying our set up is so much better and yet the model they have over there is being phased in over here. Talk about driving down a blind alley. Give it 5-10 years and they’ll all be scratching their heads wondering why its gone wrong over here and sacking all the wrong people here.
Thats it, I really am off to bed now!!
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Warburton, What's next? on 09:58 - Dec 3 with 1806 views
I am a supporter of Warburton and everything he is trying to do for the club but I've put undecided!
The problem is he is out of contract at the end of the season and currently, how could the board justify offering him an extension?
Unless we see an improvement in results before January, then a decision needs to be made then. We cannot get into a relegation battle with a manager who will be leaving at the end of the season. If they are going to make a change mid season then they can't leave it too late as they would probably want to give his replacement the transfer window, to use any money available, to strengthen the squad.
I would hope that the club have their list of possible replacements, that any new incumbent would have to work with most of the staff and adopt the club's culture and philosophy. If we make a change we must build on what has been achieved and 'not throw the baby out with the bathwater'.
If MW had a longer contract, I would be saying must stay (unless we got relegated) so I sincerely hope that results pick up.
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Warburton, What's next? on 17:34 - Dec 3 with 1671 views
Warburton, What's next? on 21:30 - Dec 2 by Gloucs_R
Football is a results based business Juzzie. Of course it is. Ask any football manager. You can hit targets off the pitch but unless you're successful on it then you'll be under pressure. That's why managers get paid the massive salaries they pick up.
As I have said on another thread, I personally think he needs a better coaching team around him. I've never been convinced by Eustace and would love to know how effective the coaches we have are. I suspect someone like Clint Hill would be a great assistant for him.
If he goes at the end of the season, I would consider interviewing Pearson, Bowyer, Adkins, Powell, Neville and Wagner. Obviously depending on budgets.
Personally would have liked Hughton before he went to Forest.
Would they come here? No idea.
I wont comment on the nature of the coaches role as there are elements of sport that are results based but its too easy to say that that is the sole aim of his position as we all know that to not be true.
Secondly, I disagree with your better coaches comment, Eustace has spent a considerable period of time working his way up through non league and was a manager at a lower level but came to us to develop.
Banfield used to coach at Arsenal with Wenger and has helped nurture talent for far better teams than us.
Clint as much as is a former player actually has no pedigree as a coach, how good is he actually? Especially when you denigrate the work that Eustace has done to get where he is?
Only Bowyer on your list would probably anywhere near affordable and has differing opinions on how he has done.
Pearson, Adkins, Powell Wagner are all tarnished having failed on multiple occasions at different clubs
Neville? Phil or Gary?
All the coaches you would interview would be far more expensive
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Warburton, What's next? on 17:45 - Dec 3 with 1642 views
Warburton, What's next? on 09:58 - Dec 3 by francisbowles
I am a supporter of Warburton and everything he is trying to do for the club but I've put undecided!
The problem is he is out of contract at the end of the season and currently, how could the board justify offering him an extension?
Unless we see an improvement in results before January, then a decision needs to be made then. We cannot get into a relegation battle with a manager who will be leaving at the end of the season. If they are going to make a change mid season then they can't leave it too late as they would probably want to give his replacement the transfer window, to use any money available, to strengthen the squad.
I would hope that the club have their list of possible replacements, that any new incumbent would have to work with most of the staff and adopt the club's culture and philosophy. If we make a change we must build on what has been achieved and 'not throw the baby out with the bathwater'.
If MW had a longer contract, I would be saying must stay (unless we got relegated) so I sincerely hope that results pick up.
I would give him another two years, let someone actually finish the job they started.
favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
Is it a per-game basis (probably what Briatore would want because he has a short term outlook) or is the manager judged at the end of the season? If, for example, we finish around mid table irrespective of how the results panned out over the course of the season, then that would probably be deemed a success.
Either way, it’s not for us to decide.
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Warburton, What's next? on 12:55 - Dec 4 with 1401 views
I'd keep him for another few years. Think he is a good fit for the club atm.
Can't think of any realistic candidate who is an obvious better option. We can always try look outside the country but hardly guarantees success.
If we had Eze, Hugill and Wells this year, we could really go for it but think we are generally doing OK as it is.
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Warburton, What's next? on 14:21 - Dec 4 with 1345 views
For those who say the coaching team do no coaching, have a listen to MW on the offy.
They watch the game played 3 times, then show the relevant bits to the the players as a group, then take each 'unit' - defence, midfield and attack, I suppose, and go through videos of their counterparts at Huddersfield.
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Warburton, What's next? on 16:41 - Dec 4 with 1248 views
Warburton, What's next? on 16:03 - Dec 4 by PinnerPaul
For those who say the coaching team do no coaching, have a listen to MW on the offy.
They watch the game played 3 times, then show the relevant bits to the the players as a group, then take each 'unit' - defence, midfield and attack, I suppose, and go through videos of their counterparts at Huddersfield.
Well if the players dont learn from that, i'm at a loss to know if we will stay up this season then.
Warburton, What's next? on 16:03 - Dec 4 by PinnerPaul
For those who say the coaching team do no coaching, have a listen to MW on the offy.
They watch the game played 3 times, then show the relevant bits to the the players as a group, then take each 'unit' - defence, midfield and attack, I suppose, and go through videos of their counterparts at Huddersfield.
I've never coached a footballer in my entire life, but I get a wee bit worried when I hear about players being subjected to in-depth video work. Keep it edited down to something snappy, keep them engaged, then work on situations on the field. Hassenhuttl at Saints has this cute word "automatisms", which is to say training pattern and movements until they're natural and unconscious. It might even be a clue as to why so much wind seems to drop out of our sails as soon as we concede... or it might be that I've never coached a footballer in my entire life.
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Warburton, What's next? on 17:45 - Dec 4 with 1208 views
Warburton, What's next? on 16:53 - Dec 4 by Juzzie
We will stay up.
This week's angst has been far more about whether we find ourselves trapped for the foreseeable in a gilded cage of Warbsian purgatory than whether we're looking down the barrel of relegation (which actually would come within the scope of underachievement).
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Warburton, What's next? on 19:51 - Dec 4 with 1167 views
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