| Shoppers out in force 13:33 - Apr 9 with 10716 views | dickythorpe |
Lots of traffic about. Supermarkets rammed. |  | | |  |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:56 - Apr 12 with 1338 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:57 - Apr 12 by chad |
Given the first word in that report (that SB kindly provided the link to) is aerosol it seems you didn't read very far. Also within the first couple of paragraphs it says:
‘SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours)’
Which is the very report I have referred to as well as the evidence on coughs and sneezes reaching approx 6 and 8 metres respectively from the MIT study including photographic evidence.
In fact (despite their misinformation about no need for travel restrictions or checks - which allowed the virus to spread catastrophically) WHO themselves clearly recognise the dangers of the virus being aerosolised in their advice to medical staff, despite insisting it is not airborne and of course only suggesting a 1 metre safe distance. That’s experts for you, I know for a fact a cough can travel further than 1 metre and WHO say droplet infection is one of the main transmission routes so go figure.
Given you are saying the reports are wrong perhaps you could provide evidence rather than unproven hypothesis |
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"‘SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours)’ " As far as I can ascertain it does not mean that it is also true in the natural environment
"Aerosols (<5 μm) containing SARS-CoV-2 (105.25 50% tissue-culture infectious dose [TCID50] per milliliter) or SARS-CoV-1 (106.75-7.00 TCID50 per milliliter) were generated with the use of a three-jet Collison nebulizer and fed into a Goldberg drum to create an aerosolized environment." |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 18:58 - Apr 12 with 1323 views | perplex |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:41 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Oh dear God.
Enough.
It’s not an unproven theory, it’s basic info that people like you and controversial seem to completely fail to understand. and you’re not alone unfortunately.
There are only two ways this ends - It disappears for no real reason, or everyone develops immunity, either through a vaccine or by getting it. What part of that do you not get?
Assuming the first in unlikely, then if there is no treatment that can stop the most severe effects, then you’d better hope for a vaccine, otherwise we’ll all have to take our chances and hope for the best. Or live in a prison for the rest of our lives.
All that this lockdown is doing is suppressing it for now. Not for ever. Allowing scientists to attempt a vaccine, or treatment. And allowing the health service to expand capacity. Countries like New Zealand with very low transmission rates are no different to us - they will eventually all get it if no vaccine is developed, unless they stay cut off from the entire world for ever.
He’s not the self proclaimed spokesperson, he’s just stating facts. This cannot be defeated by anything other than science. |
Pretty logical post, but with regards to immunity there are worrying reports starting to circulate the people are becoming reinfected lets hope there not true. |  | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 19:23 - Apr 12 with 1295 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:58 - Apr 12 by perplex |
Pretty logical post, but with regards to immunity there are worrying reports starting to circulate the people are becoming reinfected lets hope there not true. |
The reports circulating to that effect, once you negotiate past the usual sensationalist headlines, all say that the medical experts believe that people are being declared ‘cured’ before that is actually the case, potentially through errors in testing not picking up low level infection that then flares back up.
There are very few viruses that actually give rise to reinfection other than in tiny numbers of people, and when the CMO, who is, after all, a work renowned expert in such disease was specifically asked about it, he said he didn’t believe reinfection would happen in anything other than a tiny number of cases.
If this thing circulates round and round with everyone getting it multiple times and with no vaccine, then we’re all buggered aren’t we. Every single one of us. But there no reason to think this behaves differently to anything else. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:08 - Apr 12 with 1214 views | karnataka |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:26 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
Science won't defeat this, common sense and discipline will. |
No it won't. The lockdown is to try to slow down the rate of the spread of infection so that the NHS doesn't get completely overwhelmed. It won't stop the spread of infection unless it goes on indefinitely and it certainly won't cure it. |  | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:20 - Apr 12 with 1189 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:54 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
The vaccine won't be ready for ages yet, and it's not certainty that it will be effective. |
If it's not effective, it won't be a vaccine. |  | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:35 - Apr 12 with 1159 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:20 - Apr 12 by Jackinexile1 |
If it's not effective, it won't be a vaccine. |
We have flu vaccines and they aren't really effective even for the strain that they are developed for | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:37 - Apr 12 with 1155 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:35 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
We have flu vaccines and they aren't really effective even for the strain that they are developed for |
WRONG AGAIN!
The flu vaccine is a best "educated guess" on what the strain will be like each season. | |
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| Shoppers out in force on 22:47 - Apr 12 with 1145 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:08 - Apr 12 by karnataka |
No it won't. The lockdown is to try to slow down the rate of the spread of infection so that the NHS doesn't get completely overwhelmed. It won't stop the spread of infection unless it goes on indefinitely and it certainly won't cure it. |
So what has happened to all the viruses in the past? Why haven't we seen the Spanish flu Again?
Containment will stop the virus from moving from one person to another.When enough ppl have recovered and become immune and also with a vaccine, the virus will have no place to go.
This is why containment and distancing is so important | | | |
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| Shoppers out in force on 22:58 - Apr 12 with 1129 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:47 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
So what has happened to all the viruses in the past? Why haven't we seen the Spanish flu Again?
Containment will stop the virus from moving from one person to another.When enough ppl have recovered and become immune and also with a vaccine, the virus will have no place to go.
This is why containment and distancing is so important |
If people are being reinfected there’s something very wrong. |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 23:00 - Apr 12 with 1120 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:58 - Apr 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
If people are being reinfected there’s something very wrong. |
There's no evidence they are | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 23:56 - Apr 12 with 1086 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 22:47 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
So what has happened to all the viruses in the past? Why haven't we seen the Spanish flu Again?
Containment will stop the virus from moving from one person to another.When enough ppl have recovered and become immune and also with a vaccine, the virus will have no place to go.
This is why containment and distancing is so important |
The Spanish Flu died out because enough in the world either died or developed immunity to stop it.
Which was the point being made.
But for enough people to develop immunity, in the absence of a vaccine, enough people need to catch it and recover. Which they can’t do if everyone is isolated for the long term. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 00:46 - Apr 13 with 1048 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 23:56 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001 |
The Spanish Flu died out because enough in the world either died or developed immunity to stop it.
Which was the point being made.
But for enough people to develop immunity, in the absence of a vaccine, enough people need to catch it and recover. Which they can’t do if everyone is isolated for the long term. |
No it didn't! It died out because it had nowhere to go. They did social distancing and isolation even in those days.
Some cities had lower rates than others because they isolated and distanced and others didn't. Many died of course and many had immunity, But it was contained like all epidemics have been. So, let's hope it works now, as a vaccine is still a long way off, although I believe the Germans may be onto something good. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 01:08 - Apr 13 with 1032 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 00:46 - Apr 13 by controversial_jack |
No it didn't! It died out because it had nowhere to go. They did social distancing and isolation even in those days.
Some cities had lower rates than others because they isolated and distanced and others didn't. Many died of course and many had immunity, But it was contained like all epidemics have been. So, let's hope it works now, as a vaccine is still a long way off, although I believe the Germans may be onto something good. |
Yes, it did.
It had ‘nowhere to go’ because of the level of immunity in the population. Some estimates say it killed 50-100m. A huge percentage of the world’s population caught it and, therefore, developed immunity.
We will not know the level of immunity until there is antibody testing available. That works.
Oxford University are saying that they think there Is an 80% chance of them having an effective vaccine by September.
How long that would take to roll out who knows, but it is positive at least. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 08:41 - Apr 13 with 935 views | ExiledJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 01:08 - Apr 13 by londonlisa2001 |
Yes, it did.
It had ‘nowhere to go’ because of the level of immunity in the population. Some estimates say it killed 50-100m. A huge percentage of the world’s population caught it and, therefore, developed immunity.
We will not know the level of immunity until there is antibody testing available. That works.
Oxford University are saying that they think there Is an 80% chance of them having an effective vaccine by September.
How long that would take to roll out who knows, but it is positive at least. |
I think in combination you are both right...it will have nowhere to go once the threshold level of distancing/death/immunity has been reached. Which is why distancing is so important, because it allows for us to get there without as much death and illness.
Bringing it back to the OP...let’s hope that the food delivery capacity can be increased soon and reduce the number of transmissions resulting from shopping for necessary goods. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 10:56 - Apr 13 with 886 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 01:08 - Apr 13 by londonlisa2001 |
Yes, it did.
It had ‘nowhere to go’ because of the level of immunity in the population. Some estimates say it killed 50-100m. A huge percentage of the world’s population caught it and, therefore, developed immunity.
We will not know the level of immunity until there is antibody testing available. That works.
Oxford University are saying that they think there Is an 80% chance of them having an effective vaccine by September.
How long that would take to roll out who knows, but it is positive at least. |
No you are simply wrong. Some places took different measures to others, as I have explained in my earlier post. Some cities in the USA, for example, used social distancing etc and others didn't. It didn't effect everyone so didn't create herd immunity.Either way, if the virus is starved of ppl or animals to infect, the epidemic dies out, as all others have done so | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:26 - Apr 13 with 850 views | JFSwan |
B&M Bargains cwmdu, easter monday queue passed scrrewfix and out onto Camarthen road | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:36 - Apr 13 with 831 views | jack_lord |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:26 - Apr 13 by JFSwan |
B&M Bargains cwmdu, easter monday queue passed scrrewfix and out onto Camarthen road |
are they selling the vaccine? |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 11:37 - Apr 13 with 826 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:36 - Apr 13 by jack_lord |
are they selling the vaccine? |
i'll wait until tomorrow | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:38 - Apr 13 with 823 views | dickythorpe |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:26 - Apr 13 by JFSwan |
B&M Bargains cwmdu, easter monday queue passed scrrewfix and out onto Camarthen road |
Is it a " one in one out" policy?
I'm hearing the police are doing very well at breaking up garden parties, they seen very redundant in moving traffic on.
Carmarthen's supermarkets and food shops were rammed from Thursday on....no way were social distancing measures being followed to the letter, and no police visible.
Many businesses let way too many in at one time.
But no one is enforcing this. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:47 - Apr 13 with 769 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 10:56 - Apr 13 by controversial_jack |
No you are simply wrong. Some places took different measures to others, as I have explained in my earlier post. Some cities in the USA, for example, used social distancing etc and others didn't. It didn't effect everyone so didn't create herd immunity.Either way, if the virus is starved of ppl or animals to infect, the epidemic dies out, as all others have done so |
It doesn’t need to affect everybody to create herd immunity.
Anyway. I genuinely can’t be arsed to argue with you. Believe it, don’t believe it.
The fact is that the virus will disappear when there is widespread immunity. Either through vaccine, or through enough people having caught it. The latter is dangerous unless there’s an effective treatment in place. It’s less dangerous if it circulates in a more controlled manner and with health service capacity, but it’s still dangerous.If we just suppress it, it will return until widespread immunity is in place.
Locking people away is suppressing it, not getting rid of it. It needs vaccine, or effective treatment. Both of which are ‘science’. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:50 - Apr 13 with 754 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:47 - Apr 13 by londonlisa2001 |
It doesn’t need to affect everybody to create herd immunity.
Anyway. I genuinely can’t be arsed to argue with you. Believe it, don’t believe it.
The fact is that the virus will disappear when there is widespread immunity. Either through vaccine, or through enough people having caught it. The latter is dangerous unless there’s an effective treatment in place. It’s less dangerous if it circulates in a more controlled manner and with health service capacity, but it’s still dangerous.If we just suppress it, it will return until widespread immunity is in place.
Locking people away is suppressing it, not getting rid of it. It needs vaccine, or effective treatment. Both of which are ‘science’. |
It's not what history has shown us, but i can't be bothered any longer.I'm going to have a break from this forum for a while, as it's getting too extreme with some in here | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:52 - Apr 13 with 749 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:50 - Apr 13 by controversial_jack |
It's not what history has shown us, but i can't be bothered any longer.I'm going to have a break from this forum for a while, as it's getting too extreme with some in here |
It’s exactly what history has shown us. It’s exactly what every single scientist in the world is saying.
I don’t understand what you don’t get about it. You’re saying we need immunity and then saying you don’t believe how we’ll get it.
It’s extreme because there are posters who are simply arguing the toss with the science, for no reason. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:55 - Apr 13 with 746 views | fbreath |
| Shoppers out in force on 11:38 - Apr 13 by dickythorpe |
Is it a " one in one out" policy?
I'm hearing the police are doing very well at breaking up garden parties, they seen very redundant in moving traffic on.
Carmarthen's supermarkets and food shops were rammed from Thursday on....no way were social distancing measures being followed to the letter, and no police visible.
Many businesses let way too many in at one time.
But no one is enforcing this. |
All the shops want to sell their stuff.
This we care, marking out floors etc. is just lip service to generate positive pr |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 14:00 - Apr 13 with 714 views | Highjack |
| Shoppers out in force on 12:55 - Apr 13 by fbreath |
All the shops want to sell their stuff.
This we care, marking out floors etc. is just lip service to generate positive pr |
It’s not lip service, they have to do it to avoid fines. It’s all about cash. |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 14:04 - Apr 13 with 708 views | chad |
| Shoppers out in force on 08:41 - Apr 13 by ExiledJack |
I think in combination you are both right...it will have nowhere to go once the threshold level of distancing/death/immunity has been reached. Which is why distancing is so important, because it allows for us to get there without as much death and illness.
Bringing it back to the OP...let’s hope that the food delivery capacity can be increased soon and reduce the number of transmissions resulting from shopping for necessary goods. |
Your first paragraph precisely
Your second paragraph absolutely |  | | |
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