| Borja Baston 09:34 - Nov 27 with 6144 views | NWSwans |
I see it has been mentioned on the MD thread but this needs its own.
He was totally anonymous, only time he ran was after his own first touch after it had bounced 5 yards away from him. Not sure he touched the ball in the Hudders box, No reason not to start Surridge over him now as i prefer Ayew on the wing. |  | | |  |
| Borja Baston on 09:50 - Nov 27 with 4926 views | jojaca |
Try playing in front of our midfield. |  |
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| Borja Baston on 11:01 - Nov 27 with 4814 views | icecoldjack |
I cant remember one pass to him last night that wasn't a hit and hope or a 50/50 , and he had to come deep to even get that !
You need to look at his supply nothing else, he worked hard and put in a shift but we are not playing the kind of football that will get the best out out of him IMO.
If he's working back he is t in the box, I actually feel for him a bit, which is odd as it's hard to feel for a bloke earning 40k a week !
Many things wrong with our football at the moment, I'm not sure Borja is the main thing . |  | | |
| Borja Baston on 11:06 - Nov 27 with 4799 views | NWSwans |
I agree with you that hes not a major concern, but look at Ayew, gets stuck in runs and runs and runs, the more Borja plays the more i think he doesn't want to be here.
Unlike when he scored 5 in 5 and cared. | | | |
| Borja Baston on 11:14 - Nov 27 with 4781 views | BryanSwan |
| Borja Baston on 11:01 - Nov 27 by icecoldjack |
I cant remember one pass to him last night that wasn't a hit and hope or a 50/50 , and he had to come deep to even get that !
You need to look at his supply nothing else, he worked hard and put in a shift but we are not playing the kind of football that will get the best out out of him IMO.
If he's working back he is t in the box, I actually feel for him a bit, which is odd as it's hard to feel for a bloke earning 40k a week !
Many things wrong with our football at the moment, I'm not sure Borja is the main thing . |
Agree with this entirely, after watching Borja the first few games he is committed. Even looked like becoming a reliable goalscorer.
Can only say that we were maybe still transitioning from Potters style and that is why we were more effective with the ball.
Cooper needs to work on sorting a direction quickly. | |
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| Borja Baston on 14:58 - Nov 27 with 4490 views | icecoldjack |
| Borja Baston on 11:06 - Nov 27 by NWSwans |
I agree with you that hes not a major concern, but look at Ayew, gets stuck in runs and runs and runs, the more Borja plays the more i think he doesn't want to be here.
Unlike when he scored 5 in 5 and cared. |
They are chalk and cheese as players though, andre's game is more combative and he likes to roam and take the ball deep, I'm not sure that's Borjas game at all .
I think it was Laudrup who said that there is a time for a forward player to run and it isn't backwards ! That extra burst of energy should be reserved for getting on the end of a pass or shot .
Anyway, overall I cant fault the application of either, and without those 2 players we'd be well fooked this season, its coopers job to get the best out of the talent we've got, hes been lucky to have 2 quality players to pull him out the sht, he needs to solve the ever evolving problems that championship football brings. | | | |
| Borja Baston on 16:31 - Nov 27 with 4407 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Borja Baston on 14:58 - Nov 27 by icecoldjack |
They are chalk and cheese as players though, andre's game is more combative and he likes to roam and take the ball deep, I'm not sure that's Borjas game at all .
I think it was Laudrup who said that there is a time for a forward player to run and it isn't backwards ! That extra burst of energy should be reserved for getting on the end of a pass or shot .
Anyway, overall I cant fault the application of either, and without those 2 players we'd be well fooked this season, its coopers job to get the best out of the talent we've got, hes been lucky to have 2 quality players to pull him out the sht, he needs to solve the ever evolving problems that championship football brings. |
Remember Martinez saying that he didn’t want Scotland using up his energy outside the penalty area when some supporters were labelling him as lazy? Ayew is clearly the best player at the club by miles at anticipating where the ball will land in the six yard box. A number of his goals have come from rebounds and loose balls. I wish he’d stay in the centre more but I think he gets frustrated at the lack of service so goes looking to provide his own. If only our midfield were good enough to let him do what he does best. |  |
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| Borja Baston on 17:06 - Nov 27 with 4345 views | STID2017 |
Curt said in his review of the game virtually the same about Borja.
Get the decent balls into the box consistently and he will score.
The supply to him is awful and as such it is very hard for him to get on the goal sheet |  |
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| Borja Baston on 17:19 - Nov 27 with 4314 views | 3swan |
Haven't seen it mentioned but why was he wearing a cap? Protecting an injury or was it the cold Yorkshire night air? | | | |
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| Borja Baston on 19:17 - Nov 27 with 4166 views | Flashberryjack |
| Borja Baston on 09:50 - Nov 27 by jojaca |
Try playing in front of our midfield. |
What midfield ? |  |
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| Borja Baston on 19:22 - Nov 27 with 4157 views | NeathJack |
| Borja Baston on 17:19 - Nov 27 by 3swan |
Haven't seen it mentioned but why was he wearing a cap? Protecting an injury or was it the cold Yorkshire night air? |
Cut his head open on Saturday. |  | | |
| Borja Baston on 20:10 - Nov 27 with 4085 views | 3swan |
| Borja Baston on 19:22 - Nov 27 by NeathJack |
Cut his head open on Saturday. |
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| Borja Baston on 21:01 - Nov 27 with 4022 views | STID2017 |
| Borja Baston on 17:19 - Nov 27 by 3swan |
Haven't seen it mentioned but why was he wearing a cap? Protecting an injury or was it the cold Yorkshire night air? |
He got a punch or kick from the Millwall keeper when he attempted to score.
Keeper was lucky not to give away a penalty, plus get booked or sent off. | |
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| Borja Baston on 21:05 - Nov 27 with 4008 views | theloneranger |
| Borja Baston on 17:19 - Nov 27 by 3swan |
Haven't seen it mentioned but why was he wearing a cap? Protecting an injury or was it the cold Yorkshire night air? |
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| Borja Baston on 21:06 - Nov 27 with 4003 views | Oldjack |
He knows where the back of the onion bag is ,but very little service for most games and the best in the world will struggle to score |  |
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| Borja Baston on 21:09 - Nov 27 with 3989 views | STID2017 |
| Borja Baston on 21:06 - Nov 27 by Oldjack |
He knows where the back of the onion bag is ,but very little service for most games and the best in the world will struggle to score |
Exactly | |
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| Borja Baston on 21:28 - Nov 27 with 3952 views | jack247 |
| Borja Baston on 21:06 - Nov 27 by Oldjack |
He knows where the back of the onion bag is ,but very little service for most games and the best in the world will struggle to score |
Well that’s what he’s likely to get at the moment. If we were firing crosses at him I’m sure he’d do well. As it is, I think Surridge offers more in the current side. He’s more likely to get involved in the build up or create chances. They are both pretty good finishers. | | | |
| Borja Baston on 23:32 - Nov 27 with 3803 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Borja Baston on 21:28 - Nov 27 by jack247 |
Well that’s what he’s likely to get at the moment. If we were firing crosses at him I’m sure he’d do well. As it is, I think Surridge offers more in the current side. He’s more likely to get involved in the build up or create chances. They are both pretty good finishers. |
Agreed. Surridge makes a positive impact.
Borja is a fox in box type .... |  |
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| Borja Baston on 11:51 - Nov 28 with 3594 views | Catullus |
Maybe we need to play 2 up front, which might mean dropping Celina? Unless we went 3-5-2. We are looking bit toothless right now though and it does impact on confidence. We need goals, Cooper needs to find a way to get the best from our squad because he won't be getting much help from the owners. | |
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| Borja Baston on 12:23 - Nov 28 with 3569 views | Fireboy2 |
| Borja Baston on 11:51 - Nov 28 by Catullus |
Maybe we need to play 2 up front, which might mean dropping Celina? Unless we went 3-5-2. We are looking bit toothless right now though and it does impact on confidence. We need goals, Cooper needs to find a way to get the best from our squad because he won't be getting much help from the owners. |
I think you are right, we do need 2 up front as we dont create many chances and its down to not having enough players in attacking areaa, if we do play two up front it will mean that the oppo have to keep an extra man in defence rather than push forward which has happened so often especially on tuesday, huddersfield moved the ball from their box to ours very quickly and effectively.
If we do go two up front then we have to go 3-5-2 as we couldnt go 4-4-2 because our midfield is weak as p!ss.
But there lies the question, who plays in a 3-5-2? |  | | |
| Borja Baston on 12:31 - Nov 28 with 3560 views | vetchonian |
| Borja Baston on 12:23 - Nov 28 by Fireboy2 |
I think you are right, we do need 2 up front as we dont create many chances and its down to not having enough players in attacking areaa, if we do play two up front it will mean that the oppo have to keep an extra man in defence rather than push forward which has happened so often especially on tuesday, huddersfield moved the ball from their box to ours very quickly and effectively.
If we do go two up front then we have to go 3-5-2 as we couldnt go 4-4-2 because our midfield is weak as p!ss.
But there lies the question, who plays in a 3-5-2? |
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Naughton WIlmot VDH
Roberts Ayew Fulton Grimes Peterson
Borja Routledge
Subs Nortfeldt Cabango,Dyer Celina Byers Surridge Dhanda
Thgis formation allows Grimes to fall back to a LB role when defending with Roberts also dropping back [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 12:39]
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| Borja Baston on 12:53 - Nov 28 with 3518 views | STID2017 |
| Borja Baston on 12:31 - Nov 28 by vetchonian |
Woodman
Naughton WIlmot VDH
Roberts Ayew Fulton Grimes Peterson
Borja Routledge
Subs Nortfeldt Cabango,Dyer Celina Byers Surridge Dhanda
Thgis formation allows Grimes to fall back to a LB role when defending with Roberts also dropping back [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 12:39]
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I know Roberts is a fullback butI wouldlove to see him on the wing in front of Naughton, with Peterson on the left. Surridge and Borja upfront.
Ayew and Grimes in the midfield and the back four as is normal.
If VDH doesn't start then Cabango is a sound replacement | |
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| Borja Baston on 12:57 - Nov 28 with 3511 views | A_Fans_Dad |
If Borja is not getting the service who's fault is it? | | | |
| Borja Baston on 13:06 - Nov 28 with 3499 views | jack247 |
| Borja Baston on 12:57 - Nov 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
If Borja is not getting the service who's fault is it? |
He’s definitely in that predicament. Some strikers deal with it better than others.
Ayew and Surridge may not be as prolific with plenty of service, but both will create more for themselves and have more chances than Borja if the team is struggling.
There’s a tendency on here to completely exonerate strikers if they are having to live off scraps. | | | |
| Borja Baston on 13:10 - Nov 28 with 3487 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Borja Baston on 13:06 - Nov 28 by jack247 |
He’s definitely in that predicament. Some strikers deal with it better than others.
Ayew and Surridge may not be as prolific with plenty of service, but both will create more for themselves and have more chances than Borja if the team is struggling.
There’s a tendency on here to completely exonerate strikers if they are having to live off scraps. |
The point is that if you play a Striker that needs the service then you should also play players most able to supply it, and in the position to supply it. [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 13:51]
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| Borja Baston on 13:26 - Nov 28 with 3460 views | jack247 |
| Borja Baston on 13:10 - Nov 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
The point is that if you play a Striker that needs the service then you should also play players most able to supply it, and in the position to supply it. [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 13:51]
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I agree. We shouldn’t be starting Baston at the moment. | | | |
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