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Had a look at the attendance yesterday and I see it was a mere 13k odd again, which allowing for the fact Blackburn didn't bring that many it got me thinking yesterday morning about the fact QPR charge more on the day, with many on here thinking of jacking their ST and me personally knowing someone who's turning in his (I've never held an ST for various reasons).
I considered going - however the poor play, the likelihood of a defeat the cost of travelling back and forth, and my view that paying extra because I decided to turn up on the day despite the weather and it being a long Bank Holiday weekend, meant I decided not too.
It is something that along with the handling fees nonsense, when they do less and less now, barely producing match day tickets when I bought 2 for Bolton last month, anyway I think it's time for Lee to scrap his turn up tax!
if QPR are serious about the fans, this and handling fees is a way they could start to become the Fan friendly club they claim to be.
Yes I know there are various reasons but it's something for the club too look at especially the turn up tax, which could cost quite a lot of money in potential revenue on the day especially a bright, sunny warm bank holiday watching an substandard team labour to yet another defeat.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:14 - Apr 20 with 5544 views
We charge way over the odds I spent 70 quid last week on 2 tickets plus beers and dodgy hotdog I can’t make midweek games and I have to work the odd Saturday so it’s pointless me getting a season ticket , I’m being priced out and I’m finding myself caring less and less about all things QPR if they can’t be bothered to get me in the stadium then why should I go I much preferred the days of 2001 to 2004 where QPR felt a lot more of a family club we were needed and we rallied round , the players cared and so did the fans , most QPR fans now just shrug their shoulders now and the players are probably the same , if we get this next management appointment right and play the kids then il go but if it’s more of the same old same old then count me out
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:23 - Apr 20 with 5503 views
Reasonable prices will increase attendance. I also work shifts and one Saturday a month so will not get a season ticket but always get membership despite no problems in getting tickets. The Watford cup game was reasonably priced and a sell out to enjoy an incredibly rare cup run. I am live in East London and know people who go to Leyton Orient games who are glory supporters of clubs such as Liverpool but go regularly to these matches due to reasonable prices and take their families. Yes they are currently non league but we need to attract local supporters who see QPR as an affordable option for watching football.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:23 - Apr 20 with 5500 views
Your thoughts echo mine quite a lot their Paul, there are other factors that are outside QPR's control as overall we're all being squeezed for every penny, by councils train companies and others to do pretty much anything.
However to a degree thats a separate issue, one of the reasons in my view why traditional shopping struggles is the ridiculous cost of travel and parking etc these days. again separate to what I'm talking about directly but all feeds into an overall narrative I think.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:26 - Apr 20 with 5486 views
Yes I don't like it either. However the reason they do it is because apparently there are extra costs involved with selling tickets on a matchday.
I guess the choices are to put up overall ticket prices to compensate or to discourage matchday ticket buying. The club seem to have decided the latter is the best option.
I havnt had a ST for years, if i fancy it fri eve or sat am (various factors ie kid free weekend, weather etc etc) I go on twickets and pay between £15-£20 tops. £25 max, bargain
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:14 - Apr 20 with 5355 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:26 - Apr 20 by CliveWilsonSaid
Yes I don't like it either. However the reason they do it is because apparently there are extra costs involved with selling tickets on a matchday.
I guess the choices are to put up overall ticket prices to compensate or to discourage matchday ticket buying. The club seem to have decided the latter is the best option.
Extra costs for selling a ticket on matchday ???? I've heard it all now!!!
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:25 - Apr 20 with 5329 views
I may quit my season ticket next year. I live a long way out now and have a dodgy knee. I may go to some individual games though. Can anyone tell me which stand has the best,or should it be less worst leg room ? I currently have an aisle seat so can stick my leg out. I'd struggle ifI had a non aisle seat in SA Rd stand.
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:25 - Apr 20 by colinallcars
I may quit my season ticket next year. I live a long way out now and have a dodgy knee. I may go to some individual games though. Can anyone tell me which stand has the best,or should it be less worst leg room ? I currently have an aisle seat so can stick my leg out. I'd struggle ifI had a non aisle seat in SA Rd stand.
I’m 6’4 and I like paddocks, back row or front obviously. If it rains you get wet though
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 18:54 - Apr 20 with 4762 views
I don’t know how you tackle it, because I do get that they need to encourage and reward ppl for buying in advance, but it seems absolutely perverse to me that you’d discourage ppl deciding on a whim, on a nice day like yesterday, from turning up and paying on the day when you’re nursing 4,000 empty seats.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:34 - Apr 21 with 4362 views
IN terms of buying a ST yes but in terms of the game by game price, charging more on top of that for the turn up on the day then it's silly and I do believe it's a factor for a few (myself to a degree included).
QPR is expensive and next season it'll be a tougher sell - that video, though interesting to view is almost 3 years old, and I am pretty sure QPR have less average crowd now than they did then, surely every penny you get in is valuable, so why deter people from turning up by basically trying to charge them a lot more to do so, as I say QPR are in a difficult position but with FFP, surely the fuller the ground is the better as sponsors etc are interested I'd say to getting as many in as possible.
I agree it's a tricky balance, but often they are open on match day anyway to sell ticvkets for other games, including away fixtures I assume.
If not whats the point of the Box Office?
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 11:03 - Apr 21 with 4319 views
I don’t think the buy on the day tickets are more, I think it’s a case of the buy in advance are less. Football clubs have been selling on the day for 130+ years so I dont see costs to do that a factor.
IMO its simply a case of being too expensive. In most areas of work every job has a max point at which a member of staff will be paid, except footballers whose salaries just keep going up on a steep curve but the increase in what is delivered is not. Managers get the sack but players are untouchable.
No wonder people are walking away.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 12:01 - Apr 21 with 4257 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:34 - Apr 21 by TGRRRSSS
IN terms of buying a ST yes but in terms of the game by game price, charging more on top of that for the turn up on the day then it's silly and I do believe it's a factor for a few (myself to a degree included).
QPR is expensive and next season it'll be a tougher sell - that video, though interesting to view is almost 3 years old, and I am pretty sure QPR have less average crowd now than they did then, surely every penny you get in is valuable, so why deter people from turning up by basically trying to charge them a lot more to do so, as I say QPR are in a difficult position but with FFP, surely the fuller the ground is the better as sponsors etc are interested I'd say to getting as many in as possible.
I agree it's a tricky balance, but often they are open on match day anyway to sell ticvkets for other games, including away fixtures I assume.
If not whats the point of the Box Office?
Well I think that "what's the point of the box office" is the point they're trying to get to. It's already open fewer hours than it used to be. I went down there a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday morning, matchday, to pick up some away tickets and found it closed until 12, tickets on sale at the club shop until then. Went to the club shop and was told they don't sell away tickets, have to wait for the box office to open.
LET ME GIVE YOU MY MONEY FFS.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:17 - Apr 22 with 4064 views
Then that is pure incompetence and stupidity masquerading as intelligent business think.
I actually think Hoos is probably a good man to have running things - but he has his failings and some of his biggest failings to me are based on how he treats his customers (to use what I suspect he'd call us)
Surely number 1 in any business is to make it as easy as possble to get money in for your product and not piss people of in the process of doing so.
However I suspect doing away with the Box Office as we think of it must be part of the thinking.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:45 - Apr 22 with 4035 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:23 - Apr 20 by runningman75
Reasonable prices will increase attendance. I also work shifts and one Saturday a month so will not get a season ticket but always get membership despite no problems in getting tickets. The Watford cup game was reasonably priced and a sell out to enjoy an incredibly rare cup run. I am live in East London and know people who go to Leyton Orient games who are glory supporters of clubs such as Liverpool but go regularly to these matches due to reasonable prices and take their families. Yes they are currently non league but we need to attract local supporters who see QPR as an affordable option for watching football.
As I've pointed out before, our beloved CEO DOESN'T think there's a correlation between lower ticket prices and crowds (obviously, he's much more professionally skilled in the complex algorithms with these things than you or me), having said so in at least one interview by citing a single League Cup game, if memory serves. As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates), I've drawn my own conclusions re which bodily orifice I think he's talking out of.
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:17 - Apr 22 by TGRRRSSS
Then that is pure incompetence and stupidity masquerading as intelligent business think.
I actually think Hoos is probably a good man to have running things - but he has his failings and some of his biggest failings to me are based on how he treats his customers (to use what I suspect he'd call us)
Surely number 1 in any business is to make it as easy as possble to get money in for your product and not piss people of in the process of doing so.
However I suspect doing away with the Box Office as we think of it must be part of the thinking.
Hoos would quite clearly contract the whole thing out to Ticketmaster, close the B/O and screw the fans. Again, he's said as much more than once.
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:45 - Apr 22 by stainrods_elbow
As I've pointed out before, our beloved CEO DOESN'T think there's a correlation between lower ticket prices and crowds (obviously, he's much more professionally skilled in the complex algorithms with these things than you or me), having said so in at least one interview by citing a single League Cup game, if memory serves. As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates), I've drawn my own conclusions re which bodily orifice I think he's talking out of.
Mind you, I'm obsessed, apparently.
Specifically on the point you raise about lower prices and higher crowds....which brings in more revenue 16,000 paying lower prices or 13,500 paying higher prices.
That is likely to be the way any chief exec will look at it.
However, I do think that a review of the on the day policy may be necessary as times are changing but any surge in on the day demand, may mean long queues as the club won't want to pay extra staff etc.
I seem to remember that the ticketmaster contract was due for renewal this year but that seems to have gone quiet but no company is likely to contract without a booking fee.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:17 - Apr 22 with 3971 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 09:45 - Apr 22 by stainrods_elbow
As I've pointed out before, our beloved CEO DOESN'T think there's a correlation between lower ticket prices and crowds (obviously, he's much more professionally skilled in the complex algorithms with these things than you or me), having said so in at least one interview by citing a single League Cup game, if memory serves. As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates), I've drawn my own conclusions re which bodily orifice I think he's talking out of.
Mind you, I'm obsessed, apparently.
" As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates)."
Kept down prices? Like hell we did! Although I cant remember if it was that season or the next one.
I may be wrong, but memory has it that ST prices remained the same for existing holders for the next season, while increasing greatly for the following season. New ST holders & matchday prices were raised to levels that our club had never charged previously. This was instigated by Bill Power, for which i've never forgiven him! That was my first season as an ST holder & I had to pay about £200 more than the person sitting next to me, before his fee was raised for the next season. I remember reading the articles by Tracey Stent on how much the increases were affecting her family.
There is no doubt that our prices are much too high, but a reduction in prices may increase the size of the crowd, but it's not likely to increase our revenue by a great amount:-
A crowd of 12,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000.
A crowd of 14,000 with an average cost of £25 per ticket - income of £350,000.
A crowd of 16,000 with an average cost of £20 per ticket - income of £320,000.
A crowd of 18,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000. The same as the 12,000 crowd!
I have no idea how the problem of prices & dwindling crowds are tackled!
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:18 - Apr 22 with 3971 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:17 - Apr 22 by terryb
" As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates)."
Kept down prices? Like hell we did! Although I cant remember if it was that season or the next one.
I may be wrong, but memory has it that ST prices remained the same for existing holders for the next season, while increasing greatly for the following season. New ST holders & matchday prices were raised to levels that our club had never charged previously. This was instigated by Bill Power, for which i've never forgiven him! That was my first season as an ST holder & I had to pay about £200 more than the person sitting next to me, before his fee was raised for the next season. I remember reading the articles by Tracey Stent on how much the increases were affecting her family.
There is no doubt that our prices are much too high, but a reduction in prices may increase the size of the crowd, but it's not likely to increase our revenue by a great amount:-
A crowd of 12,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000.
A crowd of 14,000 with an average cost of £25 per ticket - income of £350,000.
A crowd of 16,000 with an average cost of £20 per ticket - income of £320,000.
A crowd of 18,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000. The same as the 12,000 crowd!
I have no idea how the problem of prices & dwindling crowds are tackled!
Thanks for doing the maths Terry but the last example doesn't tally. I think you meant £15 per ticket which would give £270,000 per match.
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:35 - Apr 22 with 3934 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:17 - Apr 22 by terryb
" As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates)."
Kept down prices? Like hell we did! Although I cant remember if it was that season or the next one.
I may be wrong, but memory has it that ST prices remained the same for existing holders for the next season, while increasing greatly for the following season. New ST holders & matchday prices were raised to levels that our club had never charged previously. This was instigated by Bill Power, for which i've never forgiven him! That was my first season as an ST holder & I had to pay about £200 more than the person sitting next to me, before his fee was raised for the next season. I remember reading the articles by Tracey Stent on how much the increases were affecting her family.
There is no doubt that our prices are much too high, but a reduction in prices may increase the size of the crowd, but it's not likely to increase our revenue by a great amount:-
A crowd of 12,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000.
A crowd of 14,000 with an average cost of £25 per ticket - income of £350,000.
A crowd of 16,000 with an average cost of £20 per ticket - income of £320,000.
A crowd of 18,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000. The same as the 12,000 crowd!
I have no idea how the problem of prices & dwindling crowds are tackled!
More people in the ground would mean a better atmosphere, with more food and drink bought and a better feel good factor around the place
Prices have been too expensive for years and it has a massive effect on how people react during the games if your paying 20 quid you're more forgiving to a poor performance than if you're paying 30 plus
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:52 - Apr 22 with 3906 views
Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 10:17 - Apr 22 by terryb
" As he wasn't here the year the club kept down prices after promotion from League One (when I think we averaged 16,000 gates)."
Kept down prices? Like hell we did! Although I cant remember if it was that season or the next one.
I may be wrong, but memory has it that ST prices remained the same for existing holders for the next season, while increasing greatly for the following season. New ST holders & matchday prices were raised to levels that our club had never charged previously. This was instigated by Bill Power, for which i've never forgiven him! That was my first season as an ST holder & I had to pay about £200 more than the person sitting next to me, before his fee was raised for the next season. I remember reading the articles by Tracey Stent on how much the increases were affecting her family.
There is no doubt that our prices are much too high, but a reduction in prices may increase the size of the crowd, but it's not likely to increase our revenue by a great amount:-
A crowd of 12,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000.
A crowd of 14,000 with an average cost of £25 per ticket - income of £350,000.
A crowd of 16,000 with an average cost of £20 per ticket - income of £320,000.
A crowd of 18,000 with an average cost of £30 per ticket - income of £360,000. The same as the 12,000 crowd!
I have no idea how the problem of prices & dwindling crowds are tackled!
This focuses purely on turnstiles money but there’s a bigger picture surely?
More arses crammed into crippling seats means spin offs such as increases in Merchandise sales Higher charges to franchises running food / drink Even bring such franchises back in house and bag profits Higher requests for corporate offerings Better atmosphere and potentially better on pitch success On pitch success means more money from Sky, more competition money etc And so on and so on
You’d think someone who’d apparently built up one of the worlds most successful budget airlines would have a grasp of these basics but apparently not
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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Lee Hoos turn up ticket Tax on 11:19 - Apr 22 with 3871 views
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