| Reduced parachute payments... 18:04 - Feb 14 with 6337 views | mynamesjeff1 |
Where will we cut costs in line with that? About £20m isn’t it?
Bony
Ayew
Ayew
Baston
Narsingh
Dyer
Routledge
Olsson
Fer
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 18:14 - Feb 14 with 5398 views | jasper_T |
The Ayews aren't out of contract so we'll be hoping for fees for them. Dyer has another year as well.
If we've made a loss this season as suggested it'll be more than £20m we're looking for. | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:07 - Feb 14 with 5300 views | majorraglan |
Bony. out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £5m p seas. (£100k pw)
Routledge out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. ((£30k pw)
Narsingh out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. (£30k pw)
Olsson out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1m p seas. (£20k pw)
Fer Out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.25m p seas (£25k pw)
The wages figures are estimates based on figures mentioned on here and they may be well wide of the mark, if the above all leave the club at the end of their current contracts that’s a saving of £10.25m in wages.
Dyer and Baston (scored 4 goals in 16 for Alaves) are contracted until 2020, Andre Ayew is contracted until 2021 and Transfermarkt has Jordan Ayew joining Crystal Palace on the 31st of Jan 2019 and being contracted until 2023 which I though was a bit odd.
If the club can shift the 2 Ayew’s and Baston then the dynamics should change significantly. If and it’s a big If they got £8 to £10m for A Ayew plus wages that would mean most of the £20m sorted and then there’s the wages saving. If they can move Jordan Ayew then that would be a good start to the savings for Season 3.
Personally, I think the top 5 will be gone, Van Det Hoorn is possibly out of contract so could go, the Ayews will go or be loaned out, and 1 or 2 of the youngsters, Dan James, Connor Roberts or Joe Rodon may get sold to balance the books off. Once that’s done, I think Potter will be allowed to rebuild in earnest. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 19:07]
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:14 - Feb 14 with 5280 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:07 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
Bony. out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £5m p seas. (£100k pw)
Routledge out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. ((£30k pw)
Narsingh out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. (£30k pw)
Olsson out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1m p seas. (£20k pw)
Fer Out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.25m p seas (£25k pw)
The wages figures are estimates based on figures mentioned on here and they may be well wide of the mark, if the above all leave the club at the end of their current contracts that’s a saving of £10.25m in wages.
Dyer and Baston (scored 4 goals in 16 for Alaves) are contracted until 2020, Andre Ayew is contracted until 2021 and Transfermarkt has Jordan Ayew joining Crystal Palace on the 31st of Jan 2019 and being contracted until 2023 which I though was a bit odd.
If the club can shift the 2 Ayew’s and Baston then the dynamics should change significantly. If and it’s a big If they got £8 to £10m for A Ayew plus wages that would mean most of the £20m sorted and then there’s the wages saving. If they can move Jordan Ayew then that would be a good start to the savings for Season 3.
Personally, I think the top 5 will be gone, Van Det Hoorn is possibly out of contract so could go, the Ayews will go or be loaned out, and 1 or 2 of the youngsters, Dan James, Connor Roberts or Joe Rodon may get sold to balance the books off. Once that’s done, I think Potter will be allowed to rebuild in earnest. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 19:07]
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Who is going to want to pay decent money for Rodon, Roberts and James?
Rodon is looking like an average second tier centre back. Roberts looked out if his depth in the Premier League and is hardly standing out in the league below. James again is looking fairly average. Certainly not good enough to warrant a large fee as we saw this January, even more so when he's got 6 months less left on his contract come the Summer.
We're seriously lacking in any players who will command the sort of fee we need. |  |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:48 - Feb 14 with 5232 views | Flashberryjack |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:07 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
Bony. out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £5m p seas. (£100k pw)
Routledge out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. ((£30k pw)
Narsingh out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.5m p seas. (£30k pw)
Olsson out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1m p seas. (£20k pw)
Fer Out of contract in June, reduction in cost approx £1.25m p seas (£25k pw)
The wages figures are estimates based on figures mentioned on here and they may be well wide of the mark, if the above all leave the club at the end of their current contracts that’s a saving of £10.25m in wages.
Dyer and Baston (scored 4 goals in 16 for Alaves) are contracted until 2020, Andre Ayew is contracted until 2021 and Transfermarkt has Jordan Ayew joining Crystal Palace on the 31st of Jan 2019 and being contracted until 2023 which I though was a bit odd.
If the club can shift the 2 Ayew’s and Baston then the dynamics should change significantly. If and it’s a big If they got £8 to £10m for A Ayew plus wages that would mean most of the £20m sorted and then there’s the wages saving. If they can move Jordan Ayew then that would be a good start to the savings for Season 3.
Personally, I think the top 5 will be gone, Van Det Hoorn is possibly out of contract so could go, the Ayews will go or be loaned out, and 1 or 2 of the youngsters, Dan James, Connor Roberts or Joe Rodon may get sold to balance the books off. Once that’s done, I think Potter will be allowed to rebuild in earnest. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 19:07]
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When that lot go I think Potter will go as well. |  |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:04 - Feb 14 with 5207 views | Kilkennyjack |
We clearly cant afford the cat 1 Academy as a mid table Championship club.
And we can only bring in first team players. Think of 6 years of Kenji Gorre.
Needs a big restructure and cuts will be slashed now that Huwbert is no more. |  |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:18 - Feb 14 with 5167 views | majorraglan |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:04 - Feb 14 by Kilkennyjack |
We clearly cant afford the cat 1 Academy as a mid table Championship club.
And we can only bring in first team players. Think of 6 years of Kenji Gorre.
Needs a big restructure and cuts will be slashed now that Huwbert is no more. |
Previously there have been young players brought in to the clubs who haven’t gone on it make it, but generally the youngsters aren’t on big money. It’s difficult to produce PL players full stop, in theory now that the the Club s in the Championship the Academy should be producing more players capable of playing at that level. By all means look at costs and wastage, but my view is that the Academy is one of the things that must be persevered with. | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:20 - Feb 14 with 5156 views | LeonWasGod |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:14 - Feb 14 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Who is going to want to pay decent money for Rodon, Roberts and James?
Rodon is looking like an average second tier centre back. Roberts looked out if his depth in the Premier League and is hardly standing out in the league below. James again is looking fairly average. Certainly not good enough to warrant a large fee as we saw this January, even more so when he's got 6 months less left on his contract come the Summer.
We're seriously lacking in any players who will command the sort of fee we need. |
Well Leeds were for a start. Not that we should sell. |  | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:25 - Feb 14 with 5136 views | Flashberryjack |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:20 - Feb 14 by LeonWasGod |
Well Leeds were for a start. Not that we should sell. |
But we will. | |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:28 - Feb 14 with 5125 views | LeonWasGod |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:25 - Feb 14 by Flashberryjack |
But we will. |
Yep. Welcome to the next level! | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:32 - Feb 14 with 5113 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 19:14 - Feb 14 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Who is going to want to pay decent money for Rodon, Roberts and James?
Rodon is looking like an average second tier centre back. Roberts looked out if his depth in the Premier League and is hardly standing out in the league below. James again is looking fairly average. Certainly not good enough to warrant a large fee as we saw this January, even more so when he's got 6 months less left on his contract come the Summer.
We're seriously lacking in any players who will command the sort of fee we need. |
You forget that these are kids. What, 22? 23 years old? First season for most of them at a relatively high level.
A significant chunk of our fanbase are treating these players, most of them playing at U23 last season, like hardened PL players who have been around the block a few times. They need to give them a break and let them develop.
Give it a season or two of development at this level and who knows how far they can go. Just leave them alone to get on with it. Yes we want results week in, week out. But patience is required. |  |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:52 - Feb 14 with 5084 views | Badlands |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:04 - Feb 14 by Kilkennyjack |
We clearly cant afford the cat 1 Academy as a mid table Championship club.
And we can only bring in first team players. Think of 6 years of Kenji Gorre.
Needs a big restructure and cuts will be slashed now that Huwbert is no more. |
The academy is paying its way Imo.
We've brought players I for very little money and they are now regulars - how much would we have been paying for Rodon, James, Roberts, Grimes, Celina, McBurnie, Fulton, Byers, CBR, Asoro, Byers, Chanda and Benda and what would we do with them if they needed time to develop?
It's a shame that they seem to get institutionalised at that level but even so, the Academy is the smartest move we've made. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 20:53]
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 22:51 - Feb 14 with 4978 views | jasper_T |
A category one academy requires something like £4m in spending per year to maintain (that was the figure Sunderland put to it during their descent). What does £4m buy you in the Championship these days?
Fans wanted us to spend the "wasted" cash on new players when we were in the PL and they'll want it even more now. But if you look at how many u23s players come through at Championship teams every season (everyone seems to have a hot prospect or two this year), and how much cash is being spent on them when they move on, it's not necessarily a massive drain.
Look at Falkirk since they closed their academy. We've not spent six figures on anyone from up there since!
We need to stay Cat One to fend off Cardiff from getting their mitts on young lads from Cardiff who are currently choosing us. | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 23:44 - Feb 14 with 4924 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 22:51 - Feb 14 by jasper_T |
A category one academy requires something like £4m in spending per year to maintain (that was the figure Sunderland put to it during their descent). What does £4m buy you in the Championship these days?
Fans wanted us to spend the "wasted" cash on new players when we were in the PL and they'll want it even more now. But if you look at how many u23s players come through at Championship teams every season (everyone seems to have a hot prospect or two this year), and how much cash is being spent on them when they move on, it's not necessarily a massive drain.
Look at Falkirk since they closed their academy. We've not spent six figures on anyone from up there since!
We need to stay Cat One to fend off Cardiff from getting their mitts on young lads from Cardiff who are currently choosing us. |
If you dont have money then £4m is an awful lot of money.
In truth we have only produced Roberts and Rodon since Ben.
The rest have been body snatched from elsewhere - other peoples hard work - using our Premier League money. Thats gone now, so changes will have to be made. Simples.
Zabret was signed by the Swans back in 2013, he is now 23, he has never played a game for us. Wtf is going on. He was spotted playing in Slovenia. Shirley better to sign him at ,say, 22 when he should be straight in the first team squad. | |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 23:50 - Feb 14 with 4919 views | theloneranger |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 22:51 - Feb 14 by jasper_T |
A category one academy requires something like £4m in spending per year to maintain (that was the figure Sunderland put to it during their descent). What does £4m buy you in the Championship these days?
Fans wanted us to spend the "wasted" cash on new players when we were in the PL and they'll want it even more now. But if you look at how many u23s players come through at Championship teams every season (everyone seems to have a hot prospect or two this year), and how much cash is being spent on them when they move on, it's not necessarily a massive drain.
Look at Falkirk since they closed their academy. We've not spent six figures on anyone from up there since!
We need to stay Cat One to fend off Cardiff from getting their mitts on young lads from Cardiff who are currently choosing us. |
Who owns the land that the Landore site is built on?? |  |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 00:12 - Feb 15 with 4897 views | jasper_T |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 23:44 - Feb 14 by Kilkennyjack |
If you dont have money then £4m is an awful lot of money.
In truth we have only produced Roberts and Rodon since Ben.
The rest have been body snatched from elsewhere - other peoples hard work - using our Premier League money. Thats gone now, so changes will have to be made. Simples.
Zabret was signed by the Swans back in 2013, he is now 23, he has never played a game for us. Wtf is going on. He was spotted playing in Slovenia. Shirley better to sign him at ,say, 22 when he should be straight in the first team squad. |
Nothing wrong with body snatching. It's part of the academy process, especially for fledgling academies who have had limited access to junior talent. Improving the quality of our older development sides has made it easier for Joe, Connor, Aaron Lewis, Brandon Cooper etc. to progress as they have.
There's definitely been some bad purchases that have hampered local players here and there (Jack Evans stuck behind a succession of Scots, for example) but the overall approach was sensible, and successful. The young players coming up to senior football now are used to winning and have pre-established partnerships with many of their teammates.
Zabret had potential but he needed to grow another 6 inches (and learn to catch). His highlight videos as a 16 year old were pretty impressive.
We've not really had another good prospect until Benda. | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 01:44 - Feb 15 with 4861 views | omarjack |
Let's see..
It's estimated that the club's turnover will be around 50m for next season.
I estimate that the club spends around 45-50mm between non player wages (coaches, medics, scouts, ground staff etc) and other costs (bills, travel, infrastructure etc)..which will be fully covered by the turnover.
So..The player wages won't be covered by the turnover.
Now for player wages..
Nordfeldt:25k/wk
Mulder:15k/wk
Naughton:26k/wk
Roberts:15k/wk
New CB:15k/wk
Rodon:15k/wk
John:8k/wk
Fulton:15k/wk
Grimes:15k/wk
Byers:10k/wk
Celina:18k/wk
Dhanda:5k/wk
McKay:12k/wk
Dyer:22k/wk
Asoro:15k/wk
McBurnie:15k/wk (unless he's sold, then he'd be replaced)
CBR:10k/wk
Others (including Potter):40k/wk
TOTAL:296k/wk = 15.4m
Which is the amount of money the club will have to generate from Ayew and James sales to break even,
All hypothetical of course, who knows how the squad will look like by the end of the next summer window. [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 1:47]
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 03:44 - Feb 15 with 4806 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 20:20 - Feb 14 by LeonWasGod |
Well Leeds were for a start. Not that we should sell. |
From what I remember they were only willing to loan him. | |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 09:40 - Feb 15 with 4633 views | Badlands |
Anyone know if Spotrac information is reliable?
They have our wage bill for players at £20,636,000 in 2019
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£6,604,00 in 2020. | |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 11:02 - Feb 15 with 4581 views | majorraglan |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 09:40 - Feb 15 by Badlands |
Anyone know if Spotrac information is reliable?
They have our wage bill for players at £20,636,000 in 2019
and project
£6,604,00 in 2020. |
Never head of the site, but a wage bill of £6.5m for the Championship is very low. | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 11:12 - Feb 15 with 4568 views | The_E20 |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 09:40 - Feb 15 by Badlands |
Anyone know if Spotrac information is reliable?
They have our wage bill for players at £20,636,000 in 2019
and project
£6,604,00 in 2020. |
No chance. |  | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 11:16 - Feb 15 with 4559 views | jasper_T |
Wage figures for UK players are not public knowledge. Anyone publishing totals for player wages might as well be quoting Football Manager (some major newspapers have literally done this with big 'Wages REVEALED' headlines). | | | |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 14:38 - Feb 15 with 4426 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 01:44 - Feb 15 by omarjack |
Let's see..
It's estimated that the club's turnover will be around 50m for next season.
I estimate that the club spends around 45-50mm between non player wages (coaches, medics, scouts, ground staff etc) and other costs (bills, travel, infrastructure etc)..which will be fully covered by the turnover.
So..The player wages won't be covered by the turnover.
Now for player wages..
Nordfeldt:25k/wk
Mulder:15k/wk
Naughton:26k/wk
Roberts:15k/wk
New CB:15k/wk
Rodon:15k/wk
John:8k/wk
Fulton:15k/wk
Grimes:15k/wk
Byers:10k/wk
Celina:18k/wk
Dhanda:5k/wk
McKay:12k/wk
Dyer:22k/wk
Asoro:15k/wk
McBurnie:15k/wk (unless he's sold, then he'd be replaced)
CBR:10k/wk
Others (including Potter):40k/wk
TOTAL:296k/wk = 15.4m
Which is the amount of money the club will have to generate from Ayew and James sales to break even,
All hypothetical of course, who knows how the squad will look like by the end of the next summer window. [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 1:47]
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Eh? Have i read this incorrectly? You reckon non-player expenditure at the club is £45-50m?
How? [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 14:38]
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 14:57 - Feb 15 with 4389 views | jasper_T |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 14:38 - Feb 15 by PozuelosSideys |
Eh? Have i read this incorrectly? You reckon non-player expenditure at the club is £45-50m?
How? [Post edited 15 Feb 2019 14:38]
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 18:02 - Feb 15 with 4268 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 00:12 - Feb 15 by jasper_T |
Nothing wrong with body snatching. It's part of the academy process, especially for fledgling academies who have had limited access to junior talent. Improving the quality of our older development sides has made it easier for Joe, Connor, Aaron Lewis, Brandon Cooper etc. to progress as they have.
There's definitely been some bad purchases that have hampered local players here and there (Jack Evans stuck behind a succession of Scots, for example) but the overall approach was sensible, and successful. The young players coming up to senior football now are used to winning and have pre-established partnerships with many of their teammates.
Zabret had potential but he needed to grow another 6 inches (and learn to catch). His highlight videos as a 16 year old were pretty impressive.
We've not really had another good prospect until Benda. |
Don’t agree.
Body snatching is for the Premier League clubs (maybe).
We simply cant afford it now.
Imagine all the coaches in our Academy having to work a bit harder with the local lads - worked well enough for Jazz, Ben, and Joey.
We should only bring in players who can help our first team immediately.
Waiting years is .... well, for the birds ...
With Huwbert gone, the ask of the Academy just got real. | |
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| Reduced parachute payments... on 18:58 - Feb 15 with 4221 views | jasper_T |
| Reduced parachute payments... on 18:02 - Feb 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Don’t agree.
Body snatching is for the Premier League clubs (maybe).
We simply cant afford it now.
Imagine all the coaches in our Academy having to work a bit harder with the local lads - worked well enough for Jazz, Ben, and Joey.
We should only bring in players who can help our first team immediately.
Waiting years is .... well, for the birds ...
With Huwbert gone, the ask of the Academy just got real. |
We certainly shouldn't spend six figures on Scotsmen any more, but Yan Dhanda and Jordi Govea on free transfers when their contracts expire? We should still be in the market for players who can contribute to the development sides and potentially push on.
The reality is that the players we bring in now at 18/19/20 aren't going to be years from possibly featuring on the bench in a cup game, as they were in the PL. The gap between u23s and seniors isn't large, and promising players will be able to make the leap a lot sooner if they impress.
Maintaining the quality of the u23s team is the only way we're going to have capable backup available on our budget. The days of having a 25 man senior squad are over. | | | |
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