| Interview with the Owners 19:05 - Sep 3 with 44512 views | Headmaster |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45396360
"Swansea City's owners have warned it could take years for the club to return to the Premier League as they confront the "harsh reality" of relegation." [Post edited 3 Sep 2018 19:08]
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:05 - Sep 4 with 2136 views | Shaky |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:43 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
I think the article and interview overall gave them a pretty easy ride. The questions were not that tough and obvious follow ups missed. The twitter comments afterwards suggests there were vetoed questions, which the article doesn’t mention. For me, that’s a puff piece. |
No need for the journo to press them on much since the mea culpas were flowing freely; how they fcuked up the past transfers and were still paying the price, how they had been forced on multiple occasions to float the boat by extending short term loans, etc, etc.
How true is is? Certainly consistent with what my analysis has been saying.
That said this is without doubt their opening gambit in the upcoming negotiations with the Trust.
A hard luck story - possibly somewhat exaggerated - to put the frighteners on the Trust board and discourage them from pressing their claims in full.
The key question - notwithstanding their assurance in the interview - is whether they now threaten to walk away, and if so what will be the response of the Trust?
It's crunch time ladies and germs. |  |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:09 - Sep 4 with 2095 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 01:11 - Sep 4 by JackSomething |
I see Chris is playing his greatest hits in this thread:
1) Slavish devotion to the owners (past and present), what a great job they're doing.
2) Undermining the Trust at every opportunity
3) Resorting to illogical personal attacks against posters who are running rings around him
At least you're doing a better job earning your thirty pieces of silver than you did on Saturday night. Imagine that earned you a verbal warning or two from your paymasters. |
See, this is the sort of cheap provocation people have to deal with for having a different opinion.
It's pretty shameful. Imagine me accusing you of something that's not true. It's a disgrace and you really need to grow up. |  |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:11 - Sep 4 with 2100 views | longlostjack |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:43 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
I think the article and interview overall gave them a pretty easy ride. The questions were not that tough and obvious follow ups missed. The twitter comments afterwards suggests there were vetoed questions, which the article doesn’t mention. For me, that’s a puff piece. |
I agree. |  |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:17 - Sep 4 with 2059 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 08:27 - Sep 4 by nantywatcher |
If not for the outstanding performance on Saturday they would still have been silent. today. Opportunists in all they do. |
Do you reckon they summoned all the reporters out to Washington 'after' 8 o clock on Saturday?
I mean it's possible, but very short notice | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:23 - Sep 4 with 2035 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:08 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
For those of us with longer memories, that reminds me a little of the PR that was out when Petty was around. There were a couple of pretty high profile fans who got suckered in, backed Petty very publicly and were subsequently made to look a bit stupid.
Some seem far too eager to believe an interview puff piece. |
Like most are saying, well, the more stable among us, there's nothing in the statement to argue with. If there is, please feel free to inform us what.
Also, seeing as Darren has scarpered away from the question, I'll ask you.... What exactly are they doing because then we'll be able to look back at your reply and confirm you were correct in time to come.
The floor, like it was for Darren, is yours....??
Because I'm not getting suckered in, I'm just prepared to oversee what's going on from the outside with an open mind. Having an open mind on here is a crime. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:26 - Sep 4 with 2021 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
If they have vetoed questions it would be interesting to know what they are, we know they refused to confirm what they get in return for short term loans. |  |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:28 - Sep 4 with 2007 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:24 - Sep 4 by perplex |
Pair of sleeze merchants, they will also in time undo the good work and progress that Potter may achieve, eventually Potter will be taken by a bigger club, any of the players he will have brought through and have impressed will be sold in no time, and these two scumbags will pocket the lot, as I keep saying this is what they do, and just as big a problem is the weakness of our current fan base who seem to be all talk but take action what so ever. [Post edited 4 Sep 2018 11:29]
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Hang on, it was these two sleeze merchants that ultimately gave Potter the chance in the big time. No other club did that and I think you and others underestimate the opportunity he's actually been given and all because fans are blinded by hatred. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:29 - Sep 4 with 2004 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:43 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
I think the article and interview overall gave them a pretty easy ride. The questions were not that tough and obvious follow ups missed. The twitter comments afterwards suggests there were vetoed questions, which the article doesn’t mention. For me, that’s a puff piece. |
So you're not man enough to say you made a stupid observation.
Fair enough, at least we know your game. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:30 - Sep 4 with 2008 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:28 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Hang on, it was these two sleeze merchants that ultimately gave Potter the chance in the big time. No other club did that and I think you and others underestimate the opportunity he's actually been given and all because fans are blinded by hatred. |
Bob Bradley. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:34 - Sep 4 with 1998 views | longlostjack |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:23 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Like most are saying, well, the more stable among us, there's nothing in the statement to argue with. If there is, please feel free to inform us what.
Also, seeing as Darren has scarpered away from the question, I'll ask you.... What exactly are they doing because then we'll be able to look back at your reply and confirm you were correct in time to come.
The floor, like it was for Darren, is yours....??
Because I'm not getting suckered in, I'm just prepared to oversee what's going on from the outside with an open mind. Having an open mind on here is a crime. |
If they have been extending short term loans at what rates of interest were they lent at? When did the Trust last have access to the management accounts? Sorry, but there’s no way I’d take the hedge fund’s statements at face value. The Trust needs to be all over them like a rash with accountants and lawyers poring over every transaction. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:49 - Sep 4 with 1931 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:34 - Sep 4 by longlostjack |
If they have been extending short term loans at what rates of interest were they lent at? When did the Trust last have access to the management accounts? Sorry, but there’s no way I’d take the hedge fund’s statements at face value. The Trust needs to be all over them like a rash with accountants and lawyers poring over every transaction. |
Well the Trust' are and as fleeting as she's deliberately been, Lisa has said there's been no issues up to date with the very detailed management accounts.
The loans they've been making we've done before and Morgan also charged the club interest.
On what we're told, by the Trust and now the Americans, there's nothing to be alarmed about.
But allow me to guess.... You 'want' there to be an issue do you? | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:50 - Sep 4 with 1934 views | wobbly |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:29 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
So you're not man enough to say you made a stupid observation.
Fair enough, at least we know your game. |
What stupid observation? I said i thought it was a puff piece and then explained why. Nothing to row back on there. |  | | |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:50 - Sep 4 with 1934 views | Shaky |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:23 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Like most are saying, well, the more stable among us, there's nothing in the statement to argue with. If there is, please feel free to inform us what.
Also, seeing as Darren has scarpered away from the question, I'll ask you.... What exactly are they doing because then we'll be able to look back at your reply and confirm you were correct in time to come.
The floor, like it was for Darren, is yours....??
Because I'm not getting suckered in, I'm just prepared to oversee what's going on from the outside with an open mind. Having an open mind on here is a crime. |
That's funny, because you yourself were arguing against the facts as described in that interview on the very same day, remember?
How Jenkins had done a first class job and how everyone faced with relegation would have to take the butchers knife to the team the way Swansea have done.
And Yet Kaplan & co specifically acknowledge they are still paying for past mistakes in the transfer market. Not figuratively speaking but in cold cash.
How they had to put more money in last season as short term loans, no doubt because their existing bankers would not play ball with the overdraft.
No wonder Dim has abandoned you today, even with his rich tapestry of mental disorders he will have trouble reversing course with the frequency and speed required by your constant stream of bollocks.
What a fcuking joke you are, errand boy. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:54 - Sep 4 with 1909 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:50 - Sep 4 by Shaky |
That's funny, because you yourself were arguing against the facts as described in that interview on the very same day, remember?
How Jenkins had done a first class job and how everyone faced with relegation would have to take the butchers knife to the team the way Swansea have done.
And Yet Kaplan & co specifically acknowledge they are still paying for past mistakes in the transfer market. Not figuratively speaking but in cold cash.
How they had to put more money in last season as short term loans, no doubt because their existing bankers would not play ball with the overdraft.
No wonder Dim has abandoned you today, even with his rich tapestry of mental disorders he will have trouble reversing course with the frequency and speed required by your constant stream of bollocks.
What a fcuking joke you are, errand boy. |
I genuinely don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I think you're right about something though. With English not being your first language you do get the wrong end of the stick with alarming regularity. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:57 - Sep 4 with 1898 views | wobbly |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:49 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Well the Trust' are and as fleeting as she's deliberately been, Lisa has said there's been no issues up to date with the very detailed management accounts.
The loans they've been making we've done before and Morgan also charged the club interest.
On what we're told, by the Trust and now the Americans, there's nothing to be alarmed about.
But allow me to guess.... You 'want' there to be an issue do you? |
You actually make an interesting point here. When talking about the owners, the trust have never corrected comments on here that the owners haven t put any new money into the club.
In this interview, they say they have, admittedly as loans and presumably with interest, but not equity.
That means one of three things - the interview is wrong, the management accounts are not sufficiently detailed to show this (which would be a worry!) or the trust have kept quiet. | | | |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:59 - Sep 4 with 1881 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
This quote is extracted from someone trying to defend our current position on SCFC2
"Mr Kaplan is a turnaround specialist. His job is to buy distressed assets with debts. They buy the company and debt at a knockdown price and make them profitable."
We he's turned us around, we are now a distressed asset with debt! | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 12:59 - Sep 4 with 1873 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 11:43 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
I think the article and interview overall gave them a pretty easy ride. The questions were not that tough and obvious follow ups missed. The twitter comments afterwards suggests there were vetoed questions, which the article doesn’t mention. For me, that’s a puff piece. |
In some sort of comparison with a Nazi camp interrogation perhaps, but they were more than forthcoming with their failings.
The questions were pretty much on point and we got to see them hold their hands up. Fair cop for anyone with a sense of balance, not enough for your kangaroo court.
You don't know what questions were vetoed and why so that point is totally irrelevant.
Ask Phil and Lisa some questions and see if you get all the answers you want.
Puff post from you more like. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:00 - Sep 4 with 1873 views | longlostjack |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:49 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Well the Trust' are and as fleeting as she's deliberately been, Lisa has said there's been no issues up to date with the very detailed management accounts.
The loans they've been making we've done before and Morgan also charged the club interest.
On what we're told, by the Trust and now the Americans, there's nothing to be alarmed about.
But allow me to guess.... You 'want' there to be an issue do you? |
Of course you’re allowed to guess. Your guess is completely off the wall though. Why on earth would I want there to be an issue? It would be brilliant if these guys were in it for the long term and wished to build a successful club that would make modest but decent returns for their investors over the next decade. That’s not how hedge funds work though I’m afraid and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. On another note I wonder who paid for the Wales Online and other journalists little jaunt to the PR exercise in Washington? | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:14 - Sep 4 with 1816 views | LeonWasGod |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:28 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Hang on, it was these two sleeze merchants that ultimately gave Potter the chance in the big time. No other club did that and I think you and others underestimate the opportunity he's actually been given and all because fans are blinded by hatred. |
No way in a million years was Potter the idea of the Americans. That's got Huwbert written all over it.
Genuine question - what have the Americans done for us? I'm not looking to have a go at them for the sake of it, but until we know what they're doing there will always been rumours and idle gossip about them.
We assume they are in a position to support cashflow (but I don't know if that does happen, haven't their been rumblings of company's getting paid very late?). That was the official line we were sold at the start anyway. But other than that?
Pearlman has presumably been working on the stadium lease thing, but that doesn't look such a good idea now (attendances likely to drop if we don't go up, stadium apparently structurally unsound). And then Dineen reckons the new commercial department couldn't sort out sponsorship for this year - that can't be good, if true.
So what have they actually done that's good (and proven)? |  | | |
| Interview with the Owners on 13:25 - Sep 4 with 1759 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:57 - Sep 4 by wobbly |
You actually make an interesting point here. When talking about the owners, the trust have never corrected comments on here that the owners haven t put any new money into the club.
In this interview, they say they have, admittedly as loans and presumably with interest, but not equity.
That means one of three things - the interview is wrong, the management accounts are not sufficiently detailed to show this (which would be a worry!) or the trust have kept quiet. |
Well technically they haven't put any money into the Club because they've taken it back out as well. Which is more than fair.
But yes. You'd think the Trust would communicate matters like this with the fanbase but they are seem to be afraid of their own farts. These are the sort of things they see as club sensitive information, where in truth they could have put fans correct by informing them the Americans are involved with financing the club where and when necessary. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:28 - Sep 4 with 1748 views | MattG |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:59 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
In some sort of comparison with a Nazi camp interrogation perhaps, but they were more than forthcoming with their failings.
The questions were pretty much on point and we got to see them hold their hands up. Fair cop for anyone with a sense of balance, not enough for your kangaroo court.
You don't know what questions were vetoed and why so that point is totally irrelevant.
Ask Phil and Lisa some questions and see if you get all the answers you want.
Puff post from you more like. |
I actually agree with quite a bit of what you have posted on this thread.
The answers are certainly quite self-critical and they haven't tried to sugar-coat anything or make any promises about signings in January although I'm not sure about the wisdom of going public about quite how skint we appear to be.
Out of interest, do you think the Trust should meet the Yanks, Jenkins etc. with no lawyers present? |  | | |
| Interview with the Owners on 13:29 - Sep 4 with 1738 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:59 - Sep 4 by JACKMANANDBOY |
This quote is extracted from someone trying to defend our current position on SCFC2
"Mr Kaplan is a turnaround specialist. His job is to buy distressed assets with debts. They buy the company and debt at a knockdown price and make them profitable."
We he's turned us around, we are now a distressed asset with debt! |
Whoever that guy is then he hasn't got a bloody clue.
You could hardly describe SCFC as distressed in 2015/2016 and he's not bought us with debt. 27 wealthy individuals, venture capitalists, have made an alternative investment into a sports club. That's all this is. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:33 - Sep 4 with 1719 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 13:00 - Sep 4 by longlostjack |
Of course you’re allowed to guess. Your guess is completely off the wall though. Why on earth would I want there to be an issue? It would be brilliant if these guys were in it for the long term and wished to build a successful club that would make modest but decent returns for their investors over the next decade. That’s not how hedge funds work though I’m afraid and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. On another note I wonder who paid for the Wales Online and other journalists little jaunt to the PR exercise in Washington? |
Huh? You may want to enlighten us as to how venture investments actually work then, because the best case scenario for the 27 from over the pond was to have made us successful and sell us on, thus increasing their original outlay.
Who paid for it? Is that really of that much interest? | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:35 - Sep 4 with 1711 views | TheResurrection |
| Interview with the Owners on 13:14 - Sep 4 by LeonWasGod |
No way in a million years was Potter the idea of the Americans. That's got Huwbert written all over it.
Genuine question - what have the Americans done for us? I'm not looking to have a go at them for the sake of it, but until we know what they're doing there will always been rumours and idle gossip about them.
We assume they are in a position to support cashflow (but I don't know if that does happen, haven't their been rumblings of company's getting paid very late?). That was the official line we were sold at the start anyway. But other than that?
Pearlman has presumably been working on the stadium lease thing, but that doesn't look such a good idea now (attendances likely to drop if we don't go up, stadium apparently structurally unsound). And then Dineen reckons the new commercial department couldn't sort out sponsorship for this year - that can't be good, if true.
So what have they actually done that's good (and proven)? |
I've always said that it was Huw, argued like fack on here with people it was Huw, WTF are you on about?
But regardless of who's invention it was, as we very much are aware right now, it's the Americans who make the final decisions and that's what ultimately happened here. | |
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| Interview with the Owners on 13:37 - Sep 4 with 1700 views | Darran |
| Interview with the Owners on 12:28 - Sep 4 by TheResurrection |
Hang on, it was these two sleeze merchants that ultimately gave Potter the chance in the big time. No other club did that and I think you and others underestimate the opportunity he's actually been given and all because fans are blinded by hatred. |
Potter isn’t a Jenkins appointment anymore then? lol |  |
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