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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
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Some posters love to deny an EU army is on the cards. They love to say it's thick leavers falling for another brexit lie. Some of those posters love to think they are more intelligent yet they can't even see or just refuse to accept what is right in front of them.
Another thing they often refuse to accept is that the Eu might collapse. There are many internal arguments going on in the EU. Rghe Eastern countries are getting restless, Hungary has been stirring the pot, Poland too and today I read Poland is pulling out of an EU treaty, the Istanbuk convention on violence against women. Several countries are taking baby steps towards the exit, maybe it's only a matter of time. In which case Brexit may not turn out to be the disaster remainers usually claim but it could turn ou to be a great move. If we are already disentangled and the Eu collapses, it won't be such a problem to us.
In an increasingly troubled world who can predict what will happen. Europe and the USA are moving further apart, China and Russia are not just causing ripples, now they are making waves. Maybe the Russians wanted the UK to brexit because their long term aim is break up the EU. After interference in the Ukraine do they see the EU as a threat? Maybe the EU is more of a problem than people realised, it's empire building having been poking the Russian bear with a sharp stick and now that bear is getting it's claws out. If the EU had stayed a trading bloc maybe it would have been more succesful. It's push toward further integration has only caused problems.
The push towards integration in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The problem the EU has and has always had is that the actual citizens of Europe have had absolutely no say or input since day one and that will and has come back to bite them on the arse. Now I’m not saying we should have referendums on every single issue but huge constitutional change that was incorporated in for example Maastricht should have gone to some sort of vote.
We were always promised referendums on Europe, the euro etc for years and years and years by numerous PM’s which never materialised simply because they knew they’d lose. It was only Cameron that had the balls to go through with it and credit where it’s due even though otherwise he was a complete prat.
If we’d had some sort of say or any say at the main stages of integration then brexit never would have happened and the European Union would have at least a small amount of democratic legitimacy.
As it stands the 27 in the commission are amongst the most powerful people in the entire world yet they have never had to fight for a single vote from the European people. Hardly any f*cker knows who they are or what they stand for.
Oh and not a BAME face in sight. Yet we are the deeply institutionally racist ones somehow.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
‘Christ, you are still pushing the "Euro Army" bollux’
It certainly is far from bollux as detailed in my response to WK above, and I think as such, many would consider your dismissive reply (to recorded facts about intentions from the top of the EU and from its 2 most powerful nations) as arrogant and demeaning.
So yes I dismissed you arrogance in incorrectly calling the prospect of an Eu Army ‘bollux’
I certainly never called you thick or stupid or even challenged your own previous assertion that you are above average intelligence. I din’t feel the need to generally rubbish others to make my points.
No you intimated that I'm repeatedly arrogant and wrong. You are one of the biggest hypocrites on this board.
As I've tried repeatedly to point out is that this envisioned Euro Army is not what you are trying to claim it is. The idea that the Euro Army is to supplant individuals nations military is a false theme pushed by anti EU groups and most probably APT28 bots.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 18:53 - Jul 26 with 1949 views
The push towards integration in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The problem the EU has and has always had is that the actual citizens of Europe have had absolutely no say or input since day one and that will and has come back to bite them on the arse. Now I’m not saying we should have referendums on every single issue but huge constitutional change that was incorporated in for example Maastricht should have gone to some sort of vote.
We were always promised referendums on Europe, the euro etc for years and years and years by numerous PM’s which never materialised simply because they knew they’d lose. It was only Cameron that had the balls to go through with it and credit where it’s due even though otherwise he was a complete prat.
If we’d had some sort of say or any say at the main stages of integration then brexit never would have happened and the European Union would have at least a small amount of democratic legitimacy.
As it stands the 27 in the commission are amongst the most powerful people in the entire world yet they have never had to fight for a single vote from the European people. Hardly any f*cker knows who they are or what they stand for.
Oh and not a BAME face in sight. Yet we are the deeply institutionally racist ones somehow.
The push towards integration was a bad thing for all the reasons you gave. We had things forced on us and many people didn't like it, not just in the UK either.
Not getting a vote because the politicians thought they'd lose shows that further integration wasn't wanted and as such a bad thing.
I remember Blair promising a vote then reneging and years later admitting he would never have given us one because he couldn't be certain we'd vote the way he wanted. Blatantly anti. democratic
The push towards integration was a bad thing for all the reasons you gave. We had things forced on us and many people didn't like it, not just in the UK either.
Not getting a vote because the politicians thought they'd lose shows that further integration wasn't wanted and as such a bad thing.
I remember Blair promising a vote then reneging and years later admitting he would never have given us one because he couldn't be certain we'd vote the way he wanted. Blatantly anti. democratic
I quite like the system Ireland have where any major change needs to be ratified by a referendum. Obviously when it comes to the EU history has shown that when countries vote the ‘wrong’ way they are made to vote again until they vote the ‘correct’ way. Or the vote is ignored altogether.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
No you intimated that I'm repeatedly arrogant and wrong. You are one of the biggest hypocrites on this board.
As I've tried repeatedly to point out is that this envisioned Euro Army is not what you are trying to claim it is. The idea that the Euro Army is to supplant individuals nations military is a false theme pushed by anti EU groups and most probably APT28 bots.
Funny, I can't remember where anyone said " The idea that the Euro Army is to supplant individuals nations military", perhaps you could remind us who said it.
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Remoaner,losers . on 19:37 - Jul 26 with 1932 views
It was not Dave from down the pub who called for the creation of a ‘real’ ‘true’ European Army. It was Merkel and Macron. The leaders of the 2 of the most powerful countries in the EU.
It was not Dave from down the pub that was applauded at the EU for announcing this, it was Merkel.
It was not Dave from down the pub that entered into an accord that was seen as a base for this, it was France and Germany.
Nor was it Dave from down the pub who endorsed this
From the Independent...
The European Commission has said it is “delighted” that the leaders of France and Germany have backed the creation of a “real” EU army.
Also you have intimated AFD’s source was unreliable but have failed to confirm if you were disputing the quotes or just throwing mud to cover up the facts.
The point I'm making is that yes, these things could happen, but we are jumping the gun, as the negotiations are showing. Had these wheels been further in motion (which they weren't in 2016 nor are they that advanced now) the that would have been a much more relevant discussion.
Whether we like it or not we've become the first nation to impose economic sanctions on ourselves. All because a bunch of entitled, pompous, vacuous and quite frankly incompetent bunch of populists promised something they couldn't deliver.
Funny, I can't remember where anyone said " The idea that the Euro Army is to supplant individuals nations military", perhaps you could remind us who said it.
So why the hysteria when the talk is of European nations acting in unison just like they do in NATO, perhaps you could explain that?
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 22:28 - Jul 26 with 1892 views
The push towards integration was a bad thing for all the reasons you gave. We had things forced on us and many people didn't like it, not just in the UK either.
Not getting a vote because the politicians thought they'd lose shows that further integration wasn't wanted and as such a bad thing.
I remember Blair promising a vote then reneging and years later admitting he would never have given us one because he couldn't be certain we'd vote the way he wanted. Blatantly anti. democratic
Blair that in 9 years as PM the EU never made him take 1 decision he did not want to make. Fact.
Beware of the Risen People
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Remoaner,losers . on 22:38 - Jul 26 with 1881 views
Remoaner,losers . on 22:31 - Jul 26 by Kilkennyjack
Blair that in 9 years as PM the EU never made him take 1 decision he did not want to make. Fact.
Blair was an arch europhile who made promises to the British people he reneged on, such as the promise of an EU referendum. The EU didn't have to ask him to do very much, he was all for the EU and further integration.
All your fact proves is that Blair only believed in democracy when the people voted the way he wanted, similar to quite a few posters on here.
Blair was an arch europhile who made promises to the British people he reneged on, such as the promise of an EU referendum. The EU didn't have to ask him to do very much, he was all for the EU and further integration.
All your fact proves is that Blair only believed in democracy when the people voted the way he wanted, similar to quite a few posters on here.
He was also a dirty little megalomaniac and the one job he craved was EU President. That would have been his career path of choice. Unfortunately for him he had to settle for earning millions of pounds for being peace ambassador to the lands which he had previously indiscriminately bombed into oblivion.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
So why the hysteria when the talk is of European nations acting in unison just like they do in NATO, perhaps you could explain that?
Why would you want to spend the money on the EU army while not meeting your obligations to NATO. The answer is that the EU army will be used to "project the EU's political power", mostly in Africa. Some defensive force, which is totally unecessary when NATO does the job for any European country that wants to join it.
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Remoaner,losers . on 18:54 - Jul 27 with 1735 views
An EU army would most likely see the end of NATO, it's been suggested it's a deliberate ploy by the EU to stop the USA having so much influence in Europe, to make the EU the big power in the room, a power to rival Russia, China and yes, the USA.
The possible creation of another superpower doesn't fill me with joy, there'a already more than enough lunatics with too much power!
Why would you want to spend the money on the EU army while not meeting your obligations to NATO. The answer is that the EU army will be used to "project the EU's political power", mostly in Africa. Some defensive force, which is totally unecessary when NATO does the job for any European country that wants to join it.
There been a lot of friction between the US and EU over trade, tariffs etc and I suspect the EU have concerns about NATO, and Trump’s influence and commitment to it since he’s been POTUS.
While I would have no objection to seeing the British Army undertake exercises and working towards a common goal of peace in Europe etc, my belief is that we should be tightly aligned with NATO.
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Remoaner,losers . on 00:47 - Jul 28 with 1694 views
Why would you want to spend the money on the EU army while not meeting your obligations to NATO. The answer is that the EU army will be used to "project the EU's political power", mostly in Africa. Some defensive force, which is totally unecessary when NATO does the job for any European country that wants to join it.
Trump has previously stated that he might not honour the an attack on one attack all mantra. He would "decide whether or not to assist", he cannot be trusted.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 02:37 - Jul 28 with 1686 views
Trump has previously stated that he might not honour the an attack on one attack all mantra. He would "decide whether or not to assist", he cannot be trusted.
The USA can be trusted, they have put their money and their men where Europe's mouth is, over generations.
Perhaps Trump and his Republican administration have decided that it is the Europeans that can't be trusted...what with the not paying their subs, keeping their military commitments and all of that building a superstate to rival USA nonsense...who can blame them.
The USA can be trusted, they have put their money and their men where Europe's mouth is, over generations.
Perhaps Trump and his Republican administration have decided that it is the Europeans that can't be trusted...what with the not paying their subs, keeping their military commitments and all of that building a superstate to rival USA nonsense...who can blame them.
America and it's military, yes. It's President, the one to say yes or no, is not trustworthy. His military chiefs argued against his vacillation and stated that backing the other NATO members was the right thing.
So once again you are mistaken.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 11:43 - Jul 28 with 1631 views
Trump has previously stated that he might not honour the an attack on one attack all mantra. He would "decide whether or not to assist", he cannot be trusted.
A good try, but no cigar. The EU Army has been in development since 1996, therfore slightly before Mr Trump was made president.
The USA can be trusted, they have put their money and their men where Europe's mouth is, over generations.
Perhaps Trump and his Republican administration have decided that it is the Europeans that can't be trusted...what with the not paying their subs, keeping their military commitments and all of that building a superstate to rival USA nonsense...who can blame them.
Not 100% true that. I think we can trust the American public but no troops will come unless the POTUS signs the order.
Don't forget that in 1939 until Pearl Harbour the American public were dead against getting involved in a European war. FDR tried to persuade them and he managed to get lend-lease through so he could help but until the Japanese attacked many Americans felt the war was none of their business. In return of course the UK has backed American military interventions even when it was at the very least dubious and at it's worst, criminal. Yet in 1982 the USA's then Secretary of State was Alexander Haig and he tried to persuade Reagan to side with Argentina.
Politicis is a dirty game, your friends are not always your friends.
Remoaner,losers . on 13:38 - Jul 28 by Kilkennyjack
Imagine still thinking that Brexit was a good idea.
You would have to be a thick tw@@t, or Tory scum. You cannot be welsh and a Tory.
You still don't get it do you. We pay in to finance the other countries and in their largesse they give us a small part back. Where do you think the money would have come from if we had still been in. You and Mr Williams are deliberately clueless. You have to feel sorry for the German & French taxpayers because now they have an added cash burden. Well, as they have milked the EU for years, perhaps not.
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