| Disgrace 17:31 - Aug 27 with 49312 views | Knowlesy |
Hill's reaction to the fans after our equaliser today is the final straw for me. Dunno if it's still at the point where I'll get slagged off for this but an own goal / straight from the corner / whatever it was does not justify 90 minutes of absolute sludge nor does it make me feel any better about the season ahead. We needed to win today to bring the fans back onside and I've always defended Hill because of what he's done for the club, don't get me wrong we have come a long, long way under his management but for me he can go after his reaction to the fans today.
Turning round and giving it both barrels to the crowd after we've scored because they had a go after sending Logan back into his goal is unacceptable, he had no other thought in his mind after that goal other than getting one over on those paying fans. The first time in my life that I've actually been angrier after we've scored a goal and if a manager can do that then it's not a good show. Looking very grim after that performance. |  | | |  |
| Disgrace on 00:29 - Aug 29 with 3219 views | BlueMessiah |
| Disgrace on 00:03 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
My apologies - I just assumed that you had witnessed it and as I was looking for people to 'back me up' I referred to you in that post! Do you want me to edit it? If so - I am happy to do so but as a new poster on here I may need guidance. |
I witnessed the incident, exactly as Laveritty describes. If the rather rotund bearded bloke in his early 60s is Rawlinson then that's the guy. The gestures weren't directed at me but nevertheless I left the ground feeling pretty sick, despite the fact we had just rescued a valuable point, that one of our board members and senior club officials could behave in such a classless manner. |  |
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| Disgrace on 00:55 - Aug 29 with 3181 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 00:29 - Aug 29 by BlueMessiah |
I witnessed the incident, exactly as Laveritty describes. If the rather rotund bearded bloke in his early 60s is Rawlinson then that's the guy. The gestures weren't directed at me but nevertheless I left the ground feeling pretty sick, despite the fact we had just rescued a valuable point, that one of our board members and senior club officials could behave in such a classless manner. |
Aye that's the chap. Think he had a pinkish shirt on? His smug smirking grin is ingrained on the back of my eyelids. Classless is spot on! |  |
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| Disgrace on 01:09 - Aug 29 with 3171 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 00:29 - Aug 29 by BlueMessiah |
I witnessed the incident, exactly as Laveritty describes. If the rather rotund bearded bloke in his early 60s is Rawlinson then that's the guy. The gestures weren't directed at me but nevertheless I left the ground feeling pretty sick, despite the fact we had just rescued a valuable point, that one of our board members and senior club officials could behave in such a classless manner. |
Just made the mistake of googling him and the first 2 pictures are indeed him! Nearly threw up over my laptop! | |
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| Disgrace on 08:23 - Aug 29 with 2985 views | PDIDDY |
| Disgrace on 20:59 - Aug 28 by Laveritty |
First Time Poster - unable to remain silent any longer over the scenes I witnessed yesterday but deliberately waited 24 hours to calm down before registering and composing this post! Apologies in advance for the length of the post
Throughout the game yesterday there were a few grumblings of discontent from supporters sat behind the dugout but nothing that could be termed (as described elsewhere in this thread) as constant abuse towards Keith Hill. Personally I don't see the benefit in publicly slating players as I cannot see how that would motivate them to improve but everybody is entitled to an opinion and we don't/won't all agree! It's called free speech and is to be respected and cherished. On the subject of which - why do people feel the need to resort to calling people Mongs or other such charming terms of abuse just because they disagree - GROW UP!
Things came to a head, however, when Conrad started to venture upfield for the corner but was directed back to his own area by Keith. A few (no more than about half a dozen) fans started booing and showing their dissatisfaction at what they obviously perceived as a lack of ambition in trying to rescue point that we desperately needed.
Upon hearing these murmurs of discontent Keith turned round and told the dissenters to 'Shut the f%*k up'! Not sure why he felt the need to do so - surely best to just ignore them? Again - opinions - just disregard those you disagree with? It turns out Keith's was the correct one and that is why he is a football manager (and undoubtedly the most successful manager that this football club has ever had and probably ever will have?) and we snatched a lucky equaliser.
At this point Keith could have simply turned round to those supporters and given them a 'See - I know what I'm doing' look, a shrug of the shoulders or a knowing smile. Instead he chose to turn to the main stand and make an abusive gesture whilst screaming 'F%*k off' at those supporters! Sadly the abuse not only reached the eyes and ears of the people who it was aimed at but also probably another 100 or more supporters sat around them (Of which I was one!) I found this incredibly offensive and extremely unprofessional and turned to the directors to question whether they deemed it acceptable behaviour. This is when things started to become even more sinister!!!
(Before I go on to describe the subsequent events I should like to state that had this been the end of the matter and especially in light of Keith's honest heartfelt apology I would have been quite content to let the matter lie and accept that his actions were merely a result of his passion, a heat of the moment letting off of steam thing and I probably would not have felt the need to write this post!)
I turned to the directors (I admit I was shouting as I was incensed at what I had just witnessed and heard and had to shout to make myself heard above the general crowd noise!) and asked if they thought that that kind of behaviour was likely to help increase dwindling crowds at Rochdale?
Not sure what I expected their response to be but I certainly did not expect to be told to calm down and F%*k Off whilst the offending director gave me a smug grin and made the universal wa%ker gesture towards me! As you can imagine this incensed me even more so I demanded to know who he was and why he felt he could treat a paying customer with such contempt. Then the stewards moved in and I was escorted/manhandled out of the ground. When I asked why I was being made to leave when I wished to raise a complaint about the conduct of one of our directors I was told it was 'because of my attitude!!!!' So there you have it - a manager can tell you F%*k Off, a director can smirk at you, call you a wa%ker and tell you to F%*k Off but don't dare question it or you'll get ejected for your 'attitude'!! What a wonderful example of a human being that person is - if you are reading this I hope you are proud of yourself!!!?
Sad to say I don't wish to stop going to watch my team but I really don't see how I can ever go back after such outrageous treatment and I am reluctant to pay even 1 penny into the coffers of an organisation that has at its helm somebody who can respond like that!
Anybody who wishes to call me a whinging moaning ar$&hole or any other similar insults - do your worst because you cannot make me feel any more humiliated than I did at 4.55pm yesterday.
Finally - just in case anyone thinks I am a young idiotic troublemaker - I am a 50 year old civil servant who is used to dealing with difficult people/situations on a daily basis and would never ever dream of speaking to one of my customers in that manner no matter how much provocation I had been subjected to!
Keith Hill's conduct I can forgive in the light of his subsequent apology - that director (whoever you are?) - I hope you are squirming as you read this! |
All's not well at the COA, 😂😂😂 |  |
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| Disgrace on 08:25 - Aug 29 with 2991 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 08:23 - Aug 29 by PDIDDY |
All's not well at the COA, 😂😂😂 |
We're well aware of our issues. We don't ignore them. |  |
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| Disgrace on 08:36 - Aug 29 with 2971 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 08:25 - Aug 29 by 442Dale |
We're well aware of our issues. We don't ignore them. |
Very true that....the Milky Bar Kid wouldn't last two minutes at our place. Things boiled over on Saturday but it's not a situation that can't be retrieved. |  | | |
| Disgrace on 09:33 - Aug 29 with 2859 views | Dalenet |
| Disgrace on 00:29 - Aug 29 by BlueMessiah |
I witnessed the incident, exactly as Laveritty describes. If the rather rotund bearded bloke in his early 60s is Rawlinson then that's the guy. The gestures weren't directed at me but nevertheless I left the ground feeling pretty sick, despite the fact we had just rescued a valuable point, that one of our board members and senior club officials could behave in such a classless manner. |
Hopefully Mr Dunphy will do the right thing and ask him to resign. No director can ever behave I that way no matter how provoked he felt. We are not Blackpool or Cardiff City. Then lets put this behind us |  | | |
| Disgrace on 09:33 - Aug 29 with 2858 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 08:23 - Aug 29 by PDIDDY |
All's not well at the COA, 😂😂😂 |
No, but we'll regulate it ourselves rather than blame someone else. |  |
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| Disgrace on 09:39 - Aug 29 with 2848 views | ColDale |
There's a need for the club to put this to bed as soon as possible. This isn't something that which will just disappear within a day or two. I wasn't in the main stand like most, so won't speculate on what was said and by who. Quite clearly tho from the number of comments, things have been said in the heat of the moment that were unacceptable and regrettable afterwards - possibly on both sides.
Whilst I won't speak for everyone, it would seem that most people are more than satisfied that Keith Hill's apology puts an end to it from his point of view. For me, it was more than just the apology - they're easy to make it. There was a full acceptance that the fault lied completely with himself, without any attempt to justify what was said.
The club should look to how the supporters have embraced Hill's apology and unless they feel that the allegations are 100% without foundation, they should look to do similar to put an end to this. There's no need for suspensions, resignations etc but only the club can move itself on from this. Failure to do so and do so quickly could derail the whole season. |  | | |
| Disgrace on 09:45 - Aug 29 with 2826 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 00:03 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
My apologies - I just assumed that you had witnessed it and as I was looking for people to 'back me up' I referred to you in that post! Do you want me to edit it? If so - I am happy to do so but as a new poster on here I may need guidance. |
Also, although I witnessed the director making the gesture, I didn't hear or see what was said to him before or after that. | | | |
| Disgrace on 10:00 - Aug 29 with 2782 views | DaleFan7 |
| Disgrace on 09:39 - Aug 29 by ColDale |
There's a need for the club to put this to bed as soon as possible. This isn't something that which will just disappear within a day or two. I wasn't in the main stand like most, so won't speculate on what was said and by who. Quite clearly tho from the number of comments, things have been said in the heat of the moment that were unacceptable and regrettable afterwards - possibly on both sides.
Whilst I won't speak for everyone, it would seem that most people are more than satisfied that Keith Hill's apology puts an end to it from his point of view. For me, it was more than just the apology - they're easy to make it. There was a full acceptance that the fault lied completely with himself, without any attempt to justify what was said.
The club should look to how the supporters have embraced Hill's apology and unless they feel that the allegations are 100% without foundation, they should look to do similar to put an end to this. There's no need for suspensions, resignations etc but only the club can move itself on from this. Failure to do so and do so quickly could derail the whole season. |
Hill only apologised after he was pretty much provoked to comment on the situation by the interviewer. If it hadnt have been brought up he wouldnt have done it. The directors and manager need to come up with a statement/meeting for the fans and they need to do it ASAP. We're losing fans quickly, people dont feel the need to go to COA anymore. If I didnt go with family then I certainly wouldnt be paying all that money to a club that quite frankly couldnt give a sh!t about its fans. We're already the worst supported team in the league and the majority of league two, sub 2000 attendances will be the norm if this all carries on. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 10:02]
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| Disgrace on 10:03 - Aug 29 with 2764 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 10:00 - Aug 29 by DaleFan7 |
Hill only apologised after he was pretty much provoked to comment on the situation by the interviewer. If it hadnt have been brought up he wouldnt have done it. The directors and manager need to come up with a statement/meeting for the fans and they need to do it ASAP. We're losing fans quickly, people dont feel the need to go to COA anymore. If I didnt go with family then I certainly wouldnt be paying all that money to a club that quite frankly couldnt give a sh!t about its fans. We're already the worst supported team in the league and the majority of league two, sub 2000 attendances will be the norm if this all carries on. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 10:02]
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Think that's really unfair on Hill. He had already mentioned supporters being positive and his apology was obviously his true reflections on the situation.
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| Disgrace on 10:13 - Aug 29 with 2738 views | Ninco |
I think the equalising goal put a lot of the fans at ease, but had we missed that goal, who knows what could have happened. Hill could have been potentially on an incitement charge with the FA. There could have been chaos in the stands as until that goal, there were a lot of angry people who looked like they wanted to have a go at Hill. | | | |
| Disgrace on 11:31 - Aug 29 with 2628 views | 1mark1 |
| Disgrace on 08:23 - Aug 29 by PDIDDY |
All's not well at the COA, 😂😂😂 |
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| Disgrace on 12:17 - Aug 29 with 2530 views | SuddenLad |
| Disgrace on 10:00 - Aug 29 by DaleFan7 |
Hill only apologised after he was pretty much provoked to comment on the situation by the interviewer. If it hadnt have been brought up he wouldnt have done it. The directors and manager need to come up with a statement/meeting for the fans and they need to do it ASAP. We're losing fans quickly, people dont feel the need to go to COA anymore. If I didnt go with family then I certainly wouldnt be paying all that money to a club that quite frankly couldnt give a sh!t about its fans. We're already the worst supported team in the league and the majority of league two, sub 2000 attendances will be the norm if this all carries on. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 10:02]
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How can you possibly know that about Keith Hills' apology? It's a ridiculous assumption to make.
The club have issued a statement and addressed the matter properly and professionally.
The Director responsible has been correctly identified and efforts are being made to put the matter to bed.
Let those concerned get on with it. |  |
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| Disgrace on 12:32 - Aug 29 with 2480 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 12:17 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
How can you possibly know that about Keith Hills' apology? It's a ridiculous assumption to make.
The club have issued a statement and addressed the matter properly and professionally.
The Director responsible has been correctly identified and efforts are being made to put the matter to bed.
Let those concerned get on with it. |
Correct, Hill can be cut some slack because he's at his wits end trying to get a result. I think his apology was meaningful also and the fact he held his hand up was enough for me. He was under a lot of pressure when he reacted and the top blew off the kettle.
The Directors behaviour is a different kettle of fish and damages the Club and his own reputation. Its being looked at though so maybe time to let it drop. | | | |
| Disgrace on 13:44 - Aug 29 with 2340 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 12:17 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
How can you possibly know that about Keith Hills' apology? It's a ridiculous assumption to make.
The club have issued a statement and addressed the matter properly and professionally.
The Director responsible has been correctly identified and efforts are being made to put the matter to bed.
Let those concerned get on with it. |
Lets not forget Hill ain't no monster too, he's a family man with a wife and family including a young son. He knows he's let himself down in the heat of the moment but he's addressed it immediately after the game. Not quite sure what Dalefan7's agenda is? Would a handwritten personal apology from Hill written in blood do? [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 13:46]
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| Disgrace on 13:46 - Aug 29 with 2321 views | DaleFan7 |
| Disgrace on 13:44 - Aug 29 by dingdangblue |
Lets not forget Hill ain't no monster too, he's a family man with a wife and family including a young son. He knows he's let himself down in the heat of the moment but he's addressed it immediately after the game. Not quite sure what Dalefan7's agenda is? Would a handwritten personal apology from Hill written in blood do? [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 13:46]
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I don't have one, is the point of a forum not to express opinions on situations and doesn't everyone read them differently? I suppose not reading most threads on here. Think anything different to someone else and you're 100% wrong and the devil at work... | | | |
| Disgrace on 13:50 - Aug 29 with 2297 views | PDIDDY |
| Disgrace on 13:44 - Aug 29 by dingdangblue |
Lets not forget Hill ain't no monster too, he's a family man with a wife and family including a young son. He knows he's let himself down in the heat of the moment but he's addressed it immediately after the game. Not quite sure what Dalefan7's agenda is? Would a handwritten personal apology from Hill written in blood do? [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 13:46]
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| Disgrace on 13:50 - Aug 29 with 2301 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 13:46 - Aug 29 by DaleFan7 |
I don't have one, is the point of a forum not to express opinions on situations and doesn't everyone read them differently? I suppose not reading most threads on here. Think anything different to someone else and you're 100% wrong and the devil at work... |
Well I think your assumption that Hill wouldn't have apologised had he not been questioned about the incident is 100% wrong. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 13:54]
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| Disgrace on 14:02 - Aug 29 with 2254 views | SuddenLad |
There has now been a full and swift apology from the manager, a club statement which indicates that a Director has similarly apologised for his conduct.
Only one to go. | |
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| Disgrace on 14:37 - Aug 29 with 2158 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 14:02 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
There has now been a full and swift apology from the manager, a club statement which indicates that a Director has similarly apologised for his conduct.
Only one to go. |
If by that, you mean the fan concerned, I don't think any of the fans involved have anything to apologise for. The whole point in going to a football club is for the sense of belonging. It is your team. To then see an employee of that club abuse you, it takes that sense of belonging and being needed by the club away from you after you have given them years or support. Fair enough, the director and manager both apologised and that is the end of the matter, but for simply asking for answers, the fan has done nothing wrong and has nothing to apologise for. | | | |
| Disgrace on 14:44 - Aug 29 with 2142 views | 1mark1 |
| Disgrace on 14:37 - Aug 29 by Ninco |
If by that, you mean the fan concerned, I don't think any of the fans involved have anything to apologise for. The whole point in going to a football club is for the sense of belonging. It is your team. To then see an employee of that club abuse you, it takes that sense of belonging and being needed by the club away from you after you have given them years or support. Fair enough, the director and manager both apologised and that is the end of the matter, but for simply asking for answers, the fan has done nothing wrong and has nothing to apologise for. |
To me the ones that needed to apologise have done. Hopefully it won't happen again. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 16:46]
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| Disgrace on 14:51 - Aug 29 with 2117 views | SuddenLad |
The longer it takes for the remaining party ( or parties) to follow suit, the more it will prolong the negative publicity surrounding this regrettable event.
Having seen and heard what went on, I think it would be in the interests of all concerned, and for the good reputation of everyone involved, if the remaining individual(s) followed suit and then we can all forget about it and move on.
Until that happens, we have an 'open sore' and some people may get the impression that there is a hidden agenda.
We should be discussing the football, which is the primary concern for us all. If I knew the supporters cncerned, I'd be giving them a nudge for everyone's benefit. | |
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| Disgrace on 14:58 - Aug 29 with 2092 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 14:51 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
The longer it takes for the remaining party ( or parties) to follow suit, the more it will prolong the negative publicity surrounding this regrettable event.
Having seen and heard what went on, I think it would be in the interests of all concerned, and for the good reputation of everyone involved, if the remaining individual(s) followed suit and then we can all forget about it and move on.
Until that happens, we have an 'open sore' and some people may get the impression that there is a hidden agenda.
We should be discussing the football, which is the primary concern for us all. If I knew the supporters cncerned, I'd be giving them a nudge for everyone's benefit. |
It's only you that seems to be dragging it on. Everyone else seems to have said that they are happy to draw a line under it now. | | | |
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