| Post Match Discussion 17:59 - Dec 20 with 6023 views | skippyjack |
A point is better than f*ck all.. same old story..
Taylor - can't cross for sh*te
Fernandez - passing is woeful
Gomis - isn't good enough to get us out of this slump
We're unable to score from set plays
We're unable to deal with set plays efficiently
Refs are unwilling to give us anything.
the plus.. we looked a solid unit in open play, covering each others mistakes. |  |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:11 - Dec 20 with 1685 views | skippyjack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:05 - Dec 20 by LeonisGod |
It was a vastly improved performance. But to quote Brendan, without any penetration. Much better but 2 pts dropped against the worse side I've seen down here in a long time. In years gone by we'd have tonked them, and therein lies the problem.
But good to see some of the old swagger back in the first half. |
West Ham had injuries which we didn't exploit..
Tomkins right back
Antonio on the right wing
Ogbonna at the back fairly comfortable
Jelavic doesn't start.. can see why
Zarate isn't the best defender
We didn't exploit these positions to our advantage.. we probed but didn't exploit a weak West Ham rear guard. | |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:15 - Dec 20 with 1670 views | skippyjack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:10 - Dec 20 by GeoffThom |
If you seriously thought we didn't play well you need to follow the Ospreys ,Bournemouth Leicester etc we didn't play well even not at all, not today's game it was a vast improvement |
Vast improvement in open play possession and defensive positioning in open play.. not much else to shout about.. we didn't exploit or execute any West Ham weaknesses.
Take the blinkers off.. the boys did well approach isn't good enough i'm afraid.
Standards dropped from the Man City game. | |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:19 - Dec 20 with 1658 views | MattG |
Some strange (IMO) substitutions today.
Why Montero didn't come on at half time or on the hour mark at the latest, I have no idea.
Why Curtis went for Barrow rather than Montero when he finally went for some width, I have no idea.
Why Ayew was subbed off rather than Gomis, I have no idea.
Why Cork went off for Shelvey rather than Ki, I have no idea.
Rangel was constantly looking for Dyer ahead of him in the first half - occasionally Cork was there, more often there was no-one.
Gomis was very poor, back to his worst IMO. Wish Routledge had been fit so we could have gone with the same formation as against City. If Routledge isn't right for WBA, might be worth giving Emnes a go in the same formation?
Not a bad performance but only 2 shots on target out of 21 with 73% possesion - speaks volumes. |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:19 - Dec 20 with 1658 views | skippyjack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:10 - Dec 20 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
FFS - Give Curts a chance getting us out of the Monk style of play!
He's had two games!!!
Back to reality Skips - we've played immensely better today compared to under Monk. Just look at our possession and passes for instance. Sure we didn't win - but then we weren't awarded penalties either that should have been given to Swansea.
But sure - keep passing blame. It's what you do. |
Not at all, we're in the bottom 3.. not to exploit West Hams right flank was pretty amateur from Curtis.. we need results and particularly wins against wounded opposition..
Not the we played alright approach.. we need to grind out victories. | |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:21 - Dec 20 with 1644 views | lovejuicejack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:19 - Dec 20 by skippyjack |
Not at all, we're in the bottom 3.. not to exploit West Hams right flank was pretty amateur from Curtis.. we need results and particularly wins against wounded opposition..
Not the we played alright approach.. we need to grind out victories. |
Agreed but according to some we'll get there in the end, when we're in the championship! |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:26 - Dec 20 with 1624 views | GeoffThom |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:21 - Dec 20 by lovejuicejack |
Agreed but according to some we'll get there in the end, when we're in the championship! |
Lets learn to walk again first before we start running you want too blame somebody take it up with monk and his staff for cocking us up |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:28 - Dec 20 with 1615 views | lovejuicejack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:26 - Dec 20 by GeoffThom |
Lets learn to walk again first before we start running you want too blame somebody take it up with monk and his staff for cocking us up |
Blaming! What's the fkn point of that that ain't going to keep us up is it, you say we need to learn to walk again well here's a news flash for you, we don't have time for that, we need to start sprinting again and fkn quickly | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:42 - Dec 20 with 1573 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:19 - Dec 20 by MattG |
Some strange (IMO) substitutions today.
Why Montero didn't come on at half time or on the hour mark at the latest, I have no idea.
Why Curtis went for Barrow rather than Montero when he finally went for some width, I have no idea.
Why Ayew was subbed off rather than Gomis, I have no idea.
Why Cork went off for Shelvey rather than Ki, I have no idea.
Rangel was constantly looking for Dyer ahead of him in the first half - occasionally Cork was there, more often there was no-one.
Gomis was very poor, back to his worst IMO. Wish Routledge had been fit so we could have gone with the same formation as against City. If Routledge isn't right for WBA, might be worth giving Emnes a go in the same formation?
Not a bad performance but only 2 shots on target out of 21 with 73% possesion - speaks volumes. |
Curt dropped a b*'ll*ck by not subbing Gomis and pushing Ayew into the CF role. Ki looked terrified all game and should have mGs way not Cork and Montero on instead of Barrow |  |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:45 - Dec 20 with 1563 views | 1973scott |
We maintained good possession but still lack that cutting edge or fire power up front, can't see many goals coming our way unless something changes quickly and that is a big problem especially when teams around us seem to be scoring goals.
The question is can we afford to wait any longer to appoint a manger?
I know HJ has said that we will wait to appoint the right type of manager, but how long? |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:45 - Dec 20 with 1563 views | GeoffThom |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:28 - Dec 20 by lovejuicejack |
Blaming! What's the fkn point of that that ain't going to keep us up is it, you say we need to learn to walk again well here's a news flash for you, we don't have time for that, we need to start sprinting again and fkn quickly |
Agreed we need the wins ,the problems we have is monks legacy and maybe the boards we should have got rid quicker were not going to get the results until the football returns as its doing now then the gaps will appear and hopefully other players rather than just the strikers will score goals again and we will escape ,for the record I'll take 17th on goal diff now | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:47 - Dec 20 with 1549 views | ItchySphincter |
| Post Match Discussion on 18:02 - Dec 20 by blaine_scfc |
That's a relegated team we watched today. That game was crying out for Montero and Curtis couldn't see it. Woeful.
A first choice West Ham side would be doing what Leicester did to us. |
Absolute boIIocks. West Ham barely had a kick mate. |  |
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:48 - Dec 20 with 1540 views | plasjack |
Leon was excellent today, as well as the rest of the team, MOM was that git Collins. |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:53 - Dec 20 with 1509 views | blaine_scfc |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:47 - Dec 20 by ItchySphincter |
Absolute boIIocks. West Ham barely had a kick mate. |
They had five first team starters missing today, we were at home in a game we needed to win. I'm sorry but that wasn't good enough, we pride ourselves on our home record and it's non existent.
If they had Payet, Lanzini, Sakho and Carroll we would have been hammered today and that's not mentioning their best defender Reid who was also missing. We had nothing going forward, as someone said previously some of the subs we made were baffling. [Post edited 20 Dec 2015 20:04]
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| Post Match Discussion on 19:59 - Dec 20 with 1491 views | 1973scott |
Home draws against a side in a sticky patch of their own are not quite good enough when you have 73 per cent of the possession and 21 shots. (daily mail) | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 21:09 - Dec 20 with 1411 views | lancasterswan |
Positives, take positives. Compared to last year we're on the floor and staggering with the count at 4 or 5 and still a bit stunned.
So what do you take out of the last month? After the swagger of pre season and August, it has been a total downhill spiral and because there is noone experienced in this position apart from, ironically, Curt who has seen it all in spades, we are not as badly placed as we could be.
Positives: Injuries are light going into the Christmas/New Year period, the squad are fit and motivated, we have fixtures we can win coming up in a topsy turvy season where everybody is beating everybody else, we have a goalkeeper who is totally with us and can produce brilliance (to save that point today), a solid defence with only one or two worries about carried yellow cards (Ash).
So what are the negatives....obviously last 20 yards, lacking two players with the hunger or skill to know where the goal is. Loads of shots but a fraction on target. Baf brilliant on occasions and lazy backpedalling and offside so often. Make THAT the training ground exercise with linesmen operating ffs or put him behind Sig or Ayew... or find a 'sniffer' like Crouch or Carroll who have no doubt where the goal is with a blindfold on. Service is fine to the 18 yard box. Finishing is the difference between relegation and 10th place. How many times have we murdered sides in the first 30 minutes and the score remains 0-0?
You can't help thinking that in a generous moment, Bielsa will have tuned in to this game today and KNOWN what was missing, just the last 2/10s, and known how to solve the problem. | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 21:57 - Dec 20 with 1389 views | Al_Bundy |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:19 - Dec 20 by MattG |
Some strange (IMO) substitutions today.
Why Montero didn't come on at half time or on the hour mark at the latest, I have no idea.
Why Curtis went for Barrow rather than Montero when he finally went for some width, I have no idea.
Why Ayew was subbed off rather than Gomis, I have no idea.
Why Cork went off for Shelvey rather than Ki, I have no idea.
Rangel was constantly looking for Dyer ahead of him in the first half - occasionally Cork was there, more often there was no-one.
Gomis was very poor, back to his worst IMO. Wish Routledge had been fit so we could have gone with the same formation as against City. If Routledge isn't right for WBA, might be worth giving Emnes a go in the same formation?
Not a bad performance but only 2 shots on target out of 21 with 73% possesion - speaks volumes. |
Rangel was constantly looking for Dyer !?! that would have been a hell of a pass  | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 07:02 - Dec 21 with 1306 views | MattG |
| Post Match Discussion on 21:57 - Dec 20 by Al_Bundy |
Rangel was constantly looking for Dyer !?! that would have been a hell of a pass |
My point exactly.... | | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 08:48 - Dec 21 with 1259 views | Jackattack |
"Fernandez - passing is woeful "
Is this the same Fernandez who had the best passing stats in the whole of the Premiership this weekend, or some other you've been watching? |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 10:01 - Dec 21 with 1222 views | monmouth |
| Post Match Discussion on 18:59 - Dec 20 by GeoffThom |
Jesus there's some shite written on here ,we played very very well today the performance compared to monks team of late is 100% better ,yeah we didn't win but small steps at the moment will get us there eventually we just have to keep getting our game back as we're doing now ,our biggest fault was leaving it so late too sack monk and crew |
Good god, I agree with you mate. Have you been on the electrodes? You've gone all calmly sensible.
We lack attacking ideas, but with even average luck we would have won. West Ham are no mugs even with a few out and have three 0-0s in a row including OT, so Man You must be look 'a relegated team out there' I suppose.
I think we're in deep trouble mind and was really disappointed we didn't catch a break yesterday, but to not recognise the improvement and that we can clearly extricate ourselves when the wheel turns, at this early stage of the season (whatever actually happens) is what is deluded. Leicester were f*cked as late as March then luck and confidence carried them through.
One thing that can be said with certainty though. We have some truly shit 'fans'. |  |
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| Post Match Discussion on 10:36 - Dec 21 with 1189 views | Pegojack |
I thought it was a decent performance against an understrength West Ham side, but we bought possession by having four men in midfield and no wingers. We were always going to dominate the play in the first two thirds of the pitch with that line up, but at the expense of penetration and goal scoring opportunities.
Curt baffled me by not introducing a winger sooner in the second half, and when he did, he made the wrong choice. The West Ham full back on their right was dodgy (the bloke who got booked) and I felt Montero could have exploited this.
A special mention for Leon and Ash, who were both generally superb, and not afraid to get stuck in where it hurts, unlike Ki. OK, putting himself about is not his game, but Ki seems to have lost a bit of that hardness he gained from his time at Sunderland.
Players still aren't showing for throw ins. Also, some of our decision making is putting us in unnecessary trouble at the moment. One example, a free kick to us in the second half deep in our territory. Fab should have taken it, putting it long upfield. Instead, Ash takes it short to Taylor who has a man up his backside. It gets scrambled back to Ash, who is also under pressure, and we eventually give away a corner. All because we didn't do the simple thing.
Gomis was back to his usual self, slow to get back in position, not attacking the ball in the penalty area, and spending more time on his arse than on his feet. I still feel if we don't buy or loan a decent striker in January, we are going down. |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 10:48 - Dec 21 with 1172 views | westside |
Gomez is a total waste of space and should of been off. |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 10:54 - Dec 21 with 1166 views | max936 |
| Post Match Discussion on 18:57 - Dec 20 by skippyjack |
I have already pointed it out..
3-4-2-1
play with wing backs.. we need to stretch out the oppositions back four to keep them thinking.. Naughton & Taylor are incapable of playing it IMO.. but Rangel and Tabanou are more than capable.
Cork/Leon
Ki would be ideal at breaking up the oppositions midfield.. Gylfi would be deployed to suit the game.. Eder can press, Ayew can drift.. the fullbacks have to be one their toes constantly.
I don't think we have the staff to carry out the tactics efficiently.. especially in a relegation battle.. we have to use our tools effectively to look threatening. |
Skip, the way Ki is at the moment he couldn't break an egg box up let alone the opo's midfield plus he couldn't tackle a good dinner, Leon is the one that breaks up the opo's possession, the diamond pattern we played yesterday just slowed the pace of the ball down everything was static or slow, the few times when we could have moved a tad quicker, but we either passed sidewards or back, frustrating to say the least. [Post edited 21 Dec 2015 10:59]
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| Post Match Discussion on 10:55 - Dec 21 with 1166 views | Highjack |
| Post Match Discussion on 10:48 - Dec 21 by westside |
Gomez is a total waste of space and should of been off. |
Gomis and should have. |  |
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| Post Match Discussion on 14:08 - Dec 21 with 1084 views | karnataka |
| Post Match Discussion on 19:02 - Dec 20 by skippyjack |
We didn't play very, very well.. we would've won otherwise..
We need a fresh approach to look threatening.. we need a manger. |
Very Christmassy! You been out singing carols? |  | | |
| Post Match Discussion on 15:02 - Dec 21 with 1057 views | monmouth |
| Post Match Discussion on 14:08 - Dec 21 by karnataka |
Very Christmassy! You been out singing carols? |
He's been away. | |
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