| Daily Mail 22:38 - Apr 14 with 35097 views | IAN05 |
Looks like they have got hold of the training ground fight story. |  | | |  |
| Daily Mail on 17:35 - Apr 15 with 2290 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 17:24 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
Class bullies tend to be popular as well. It's hardly a defence. Not that I think he is of course, but the fact some people stayed close to him doesn't make him whiter than white.
You're right, nobody knows the ins and outs apart from those involved. My point is just that if we brush this under the carpet as simply a case of Laudrup not sorting the issue then it's completely missing the point. If Jenkins is on the training ground every day then he should have spotted this and had a word. If Monk saw that his team was split down the middle then as club captain he should be doing something about that. Ditto Williams actually. Hell, so should the other players particularly the likes of Rangel. This is all assuming there is some massive split of course, and this hasn't been blown ridiculously out of proportion.
Clearly there's a rebalancing act to take place in the summer, both in terms of the playing staff and coaching. As for Monk's future, that'll depend for me on how his role this season is viewed and whether the club could accommodate him next season . |
Class bullies tend to be popular in public and when they are around, but they are quietly loathed by most. I'm not saying he is perfect, but the mainstays at the club who have been there through the years (Curt particularly) speak very highly of him and the work he has put in over the years tob keep the squad tight.
My understanding is that Monk, Ash, Leon and a couple of others tried to sort it but ended up clashing with Laudrup and his staff, who didn't see a problem. All have the responsibility to fix it but Laudrup had the opportunity to prevent it from even starting. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 17:37 - Apr 15 with 2286 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 17:35 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
Class bullies tend to be popular in public and when they are around, but they are quietly loathed by most. I'm not saying he is perfect, but the mainstays at the club who have been there through the years (Curt particularly) speak very highly of him and the work he has put in over the years tob keep the squad tight.
My understanding is that Monk, Ash, Leon and a couple of others tried to sort it but ended up clashing with Laudrup and his staff, who didn't see a problem. All have the responsibility to fix it but Laudrup had the opportunity to prevent it from even starting. |
So do a few others IMO. Not a defense of Laudrup of course but I'm not quite buying the party line that it's those damned Spaniards who are totally at fault. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 17:46 - Apr 15 with 2263 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 17:37 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
So do a few others IMO. Not a defense of Laudrup of course but I'm not quite buying the party line that it's those damned Spaniards who are totally at fault. |
The 'party line' is just an assumption by the press though. However, there is a deep social split in this current squad, which didn't exist under previous managers regardless of nationality, which Laudrup could easily have prevented.
The club have tried to paper over the problem since with insistence on English being spoken and worryingly even learned by some and mixed groups for lunch and other tasks but spirit cant just be built overnight and you wonder if much of the damage is already done. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 17:50 - Apr 15 with 2248 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 17:46 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
The 'party line' is just an assumption by the press though. However, there is a deep social split in this current squad, which didn't exist under previous managers regardless of nationality, which Laudrup could easily have prevented.
The club have tried to paper over the problem since with insistence on English being spoken and worryingly even learned by some and mixed groups for lunch and other tasks but spirit cant just be built overnight and you wonder if much of the damage is already done. |
If this has occurred for 2 years you have to wonder how the situation has festered so long. Can't just pin all that on one man. | |
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| Daily Mail on 17:57 - Apr 15 with 2230 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 17:50 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
If this has occurred for 2 years you have to wonder how the situation has festered so long. Can't just pin all that on one man. |
Laudrup cannot be solely blamed of course, but he oversaw it. Like all things these things only become a big issue when the chips are down ( though the addition of 3 more non English speaking Spaniards in Summer wouldn't have helped team bonding).
Far more should have been done early by all parties to resolve this and many other issues. Someone mentioned sleep walking to relegation yesterday, whilst I don't think we will go down, the saying remains apt. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 18:01 - Apr 15 with 2219 views | VetchitBack |
| Daily Mail on 17:02 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
So the club captain during Laudrup's tenure bears no responsibility? And the inability to heal said rifts in last 2 1/2 months.
Laudrup's got to take more than a fair share of the blame but there's enough to pass around. |
Was he really club captain under Laudrup? It didn't feel like. I thought that was Rodgers unofficial title for him out of gratitude and perhaps a little guilt as he wasn't picking him any more?
If the rift is one worthy of the name and has been simmering for months AND the Spaniards see Monk as an enemy I think there's very little he can do. They probably don't have that much respect for him. He wasn't a world class players and has never managed before. You'd hope that any manager of Swansea City would command respect but with what I've written above coupled with speculation that Monk played a part in ousting their Dad they may be finding it difficult? Still Laudrup who created this mess and it'll probably be solved as many will leave when the season ends. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 18:05 - Apr 15 with 2197 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 18:01 - Apr 15 by VetchitBack |
Was he really club captain under Laudrup? It didn't feel like. I thought that was Rodgers unofficial title for him out of gratitude and perhaps a little guilt as he wasn't picking him any more?
If the rift is one worthy of the name and has been simmering for months AND the Spaniards see Monk as an enemy I think there's very little he can do. They probably don't have that much respect for him. He wasn't a world class players and has never managed before. You'd hope that any manager of Swansea City would command respect but with what I've written above coupled with speculation that Monk played a part in ousting their Dad they may be finding it difficult? Still Laudrup who created this mess and it'll probably be solved as many will leave when the season ends. |
Yes, he was really club captain. Was a change this season with Williams taking over, but Monk still around.
Like I said anyway, it's too simplistic to blame one person. If there is an issue, it's a systemic one. | |
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| Daily Mail on 18:09 - Apr 15 with 2175 views | Gowerjack |
Anyone know what happened?
I've heard a tale
Can't believe it's true though....
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| Daily Mail on 18:50 - Apr 15 with 2123 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Daily Mail on 18:05 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
Yes, he was really club captain. Was a change this season with Williams taking over, but Monk still around.
Like I said anyway, it's too simplistic to blame one person. If there is an issue, it's a systemic one. |
Well it certainly hasn't been solved since Laudrup left. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 18:59 - Apr 15 with 2098 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 18:50 - Apr 15 by Joe_bradshaw |
Well it certainly hasn't been solved since Laudrup left. |
Was never going to in honesty. If the problems are as deep rooted as press think then taking Laudrup out of equation was not going to resolve it . The problems will still be there but one of the people responsible for preventing them no longer is.
The contributing factors, ie players not speaking English, cliques being formed, attitudes towards Training etc are being dealt with but much of damage is already done, in afraid | | | |
| Daily Mail on 19:01 - Apr 15 with 2087 views | Dr_Winston |
| Daily Mail on 18:59 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
Was never going to in honesty. If the problems are as deep rooted as press think then taking Laudrup out of equation was not going to resolve it . The problems will still be there but one of the people responsible for preventing them no longer is.
The contributing factors, ie players not speaking English, cliques being formed, attitudes towards Training etc are being dealt with but much of damage is already done, in afraid |
Maybe given the fondness one has for undermining management, and the other for stomping around the pitch blaming anyone and everyone when things go wrong, we should be looking to move Ash and Monk out to make a clean sweep of it? |  |
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| Daily Mail on 19:06 - Apr 15 with 2073 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 19:01 - Apr 15 by Dr_Winston |
Maybe given the fondness one has for undermining management, and the other for stomping around the pitch blaming anyone and everyone when things go wrong, we should be looking to move Ash and Monk out to make a clean sweep of it? |
Maybe. Wont happen though in my opinion. Both held in far too high a regard at the club for that, rightly or wrongly | | | |
| Daily Mail on 19:14 - Apr 15 with 2030 views | exiledclaseboy |
What a thoroughly depressing story at the worst possible time for us. Four games left, we'll probably need to win two of them to stay up, the bottom three looming with at least two of them picking up vital wins on Saturday just gone and apparently half of our squad seemingly hates the other half and can't stand to be on the same pitch as each other.
Miserable. F*cking miserable. My only hope is that the story is exaggerated or sensationalised a bit and it creates a siege mentality among the squad which can steer us to stumbling over the line over the next four games.
I've never been less confident about us staying up this season than I am today. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 19:17 - Apr 15 with 2019 views | owainglyndwr |
Rob Phillips wants there to be problems |  | | |
| Daily Mail on 19:25 - Apr 15 with 1983 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 19:14 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy |
What a thoroughly depressing story at the worst possible time for us. Four games left, we'll probably need to win two of them to stay up, the bottom three looming with at least two of them picking up vital wins on Saturday just gone and apparently half of our squad seemingly hates the other half and can't stand to be on the same pitch as each other.
Miserable. F*cking miserable. My only hope is that the story is exaggerated or sensationalised a bit and it creates a siege mentality among the squad which can steer us to stumbling over the line over the next four games.
I've never been less confident about us staying up this season than I am today. |
The maths don't back up that monumentally pessimistic post. Man up you wuss. | |
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| Daily Mail on 19:26 - Apr 15 with 1973 views | shandyjack |
| Daily Mail on 19:25 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
The maths don't back up that monumentally pessimistic post. Man up you wuss. |
one win will be enough |  |
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| Daily Mail on 19:26 - Apr 15 with 1971 views | Starsky |
| Daily Mail on 19:14 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy |
What a thoroughly depressing story at the worst possible time for us. Four games left, we'll probably need to win two of them to stay up, the bottom three looming with at least two of them picking up vital wins on Saturday just gone and apparently half of our squad seemingly hates the other half and can't stand to be on the same pitch as each other.
Miserable. F*cking miserable. My only hope is that the story is exaggerated or sensationalised a bit and it creates a siege mentality among the squad which can steer us to stumbling over the line over the next four games.
I've never been less confident about us staying up this season than I am today. |
Indeed.
I almost want to get rid of all the players & manager and start again... no cliques for at least 3 months into next season. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 19:28 - Apr 15 with 1956 views | Dr_Winston |
| Daily Mail on 19:06 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
Maybe. Wont happen though in my opinion. Both held in far too high a regard at the club for that, rightly or wrongly |
Personal likes/dislikes shouldn't factor into the best thing for the club. If they are then that raises other questions. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Daily Mail on 19:29 - Apr 15 with 1949 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Daily Mail on 19:25 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
The maths don't back up that monumentally pessimistic post. Man up you wuss. |
No. All I want is for the next four games to be over and that we stumble to safety because I'm now heartily sick of the whole sorry mess.
Ask me again tomorrow, I may have cheered up by then. | |
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| Daily Mail on 19:30 - Apr 15 with 1945 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 19:26 - Apr 15 by shandyjack |
one win will be enough |
Yup reckon so. There's about an even money chance we already have enough points ... can't see the basseys getting 5 points or Norwich getting two. | |
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| Daily Mail on 19:31 - Apr 15 with 1937 views | Drizzy |
| Daily Mail on 19:01 - Apr 15 by Dr_Winston |
Maybe given the fondness one has for undermining management, and the other for stomping around the pitch blaming anyone and everyone when things go wrong, we should be looking to move Ash and Monk out to make a clean sweep of it? |
Or we could just shift the Spanish contingent as (aside from Pablo, Michu and Rangel) most of them are mediocre players, very replaceable and have been here two minutes? [Post edited 15 Apr 2014 19:31]
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| Daily Mail on 19:31 - Apr 15 with 1934 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 19:29 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy |
No. All I want is for the next four games to be over and that we stumble to safety because I'm now heartily sick of the whole sorry mess.
Ask me again tomorrow, I may have cheered up by then. |
Well we're on the same page there. | |
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| Daily Mail on 19:31 - Apr 15 with 1934 views | Dr_Winston |
| Daily Mail on 19:29 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy |
No. All I want is for the next four games to be over and that we stumble to safety because I'm now heartily sick of the whole sorry mess.
Ask me again tomorrow, I may have cheered up by then. |
Do sorely want this season to be over now.
Problem is the summer's not looking likely to be tremendous fun as things stand. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Daily Mail on 19:34 - Apr 15 with 1910 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Daily Mail on 19:30 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
Yup reckon so. There's about an even money chance we already have enough points ... can't see the basseys getting 5 points or Norwich getting two. |
Norwich play Liverpool on Sunday. Liverpool have won 10 straight games. They're due a defeat. A Norwich win to blow the title and relegation races wide open again is almost inevitable.
Whereas we go to Newcastle on Saturday. Newcastle are flat and haven't won at home for ages (I've no idea of the actual length of time). They've got nothing to play for but pride and to break a miserable run. If you want to break a run of some description invite Swansea City along. We usually oblige.
I've no idea who the Vermin and Fulham are playing but I bet they're both going to win too.
I am tweaking the nose of optimism tonight.
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